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Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the NatWest Group Q3 Results 2025 Management Presentation. Today's presentation will be hosted by CEO, Paul Thwaite; and CFO, Katie Murray. After the presentation, we will take questions. Paul Thwaite: Good morning, and thanks for joining us today. I'll start with a short introduction before I hand over to Katie to take you through the numbers. We have delivered another strong quarter as we continue to execute on our priorities of disciplined growth, bank wide simplification, together with managing our balance sheet and risk well. Though inflation is above the Bank of England's 2% target, the economy is growing, unemployment is low, wage growth is above the rate of inflation and businesses and households have relatively high levels of savings and liquidity. This is reflected in the levels of customer activity we're seeing across the bank. So let me start with the headlines for the first 9 months. Lending has grown 4.4% since the year-end to GBP 388 billion, in line with our annual growth rate of more than 4% over the past 6 years. Growth has been broad-based across our 3 businesses and we attracted a further 70,000 new customers in the quarter. Mortgage lending was up by more than GBP 5 billion for the first 9 months as we broadened our customer proposition with new offers for first-time buyers and family backed mortgages, and issued mortgages to landlords in collaboration with buy-to-let specialists, [indiscernible]. Unsecured lending grew GBP 2.9 billion or 17.3%, and we made good progress integrating our recently acquired Sainsbury's customers. They're now able to view their credit card, link their Nectar card and view their Nectar points from credit card spending via the NatWest app. In commercial and institutional, we delivered lending growth of GBP 7.9 billion or 5.5% across both our large corporate and institutional and commercial mid-market businesses. in areas such as infrastructure, social housing and sustainable finance. As the #1 lender to infrastructure, we are supporting many large-scale programs up and down the country. And we have delivered GBP 7.6 billion towards our 2030 group climate and transition finance target of GBP 200 billion announced in July. Deposits grew 0.8% to GBP 435 billion as we balance volume with value in a competitive market and as customers manage their savings across cash deposits and investments. And there's more customers across the bank chose to invest with us assets under management and administration have grown 14.5% to GBP 56 billion. This has contributed to growth in noninterest income, along with higher fees from payments, cards and good performance in our currencies and capital markets business. This customer activity has resulted in a strong financial performance. Income grew to GBP 12.1 billion, 12.5% higher than the first 9 months last year. Costs were up 2.5% at GBP 5.9 billion resulting in operating profit of GBP 5.8 billion and attributable profit of GBP 4.1 billion. Our return on tangible equity was 19.5%. Given the strength of our performance, we are revising our full year guidance for income to around GBP 16.3 billion and for returns to greater than 18%. We continue to make good progress on both simplification and capital management. We have reduced the cost/income ratio by 5 percentage points to 47.8%. And and we generated 202 basis points of capital for the 9 months and ended the third quarter with a CET1 ratio of 14.2%. This strong capital generation allows us not just to support customers but to invest in the business and deliver attractive returns to shareholders. As you know, we announced a new share buyback of GBP 750 million at the half year, of which 50% has now been carried out. and we expect to complete the buyback by our full year results. Earnings per share have grown 32.4% year-on-year and TNAV per share is at 14.6% at 362p. So a strong performance for the first 9 months. I'll hand over to Katie to take you through the numbers for the third quarter. Katie Murray: Thank you, Paul. I'll talk about the third quarter using the second quarter as a comparator. Income, excluding all notable items, was up 3.9% at GBP 4.2 billion. Total income was up 8.2%, including GBP 166 million of notable income items. Operating expenses were 2.1% more at [indiscernible] due to lower litigation and conduct charges. And the impairment charge was GBP 153 million or 15 basis points of loans. Taken together, this delivered operating profit before tax of GBP 2.2 billion for the quarter and profit attributable to ordinary shareholders of GBP 1.6 billion. Our return on tangible equity was 22.3%. Turning now to income. Overall income, excluding notable items, grew 3.9% to GBP 4.2 billion. Across our 3 businesses, income increased by 2.5% or GBP 101 million. Net interest income grew 3% or GBP 94 million to GBP 3.3 billion. This was driven by further lending growth and margin expansion as tailwinds from the structural hedge and the benefit from the Sainsbury's portfolios for a full quarter more than offset the impact of the base rate cut in August. Net interest margin was up 9 basis points to 237, mainly due to deposit margin expansion and funding and other treasury activity. Noninterest income across the 3 businesses was up 0.8% compared with a strong second quarter. This was due to increased card fees in retail banking, higher investment management fees in private banking and wealth management. and a good performance in currencies and capital markets with heightened volatility. Given continued positive momentum and a clearer line of sight to the year-end, we have refined our income guidance and now expect full year total income, excluding notable items, to be around GBP 16.3 billion. We continue to assume 1 further base rate cut this year with rates reaching 3.75% by the year-end. This improved guidance alongside strong Q3 returns means we now expect return on tangible equity for the full year to be greater than 18%. Moving now to lending, where we have delivered another strong quarter of growth. Gross loans to customers across our 3 businesses increased by GBP 4.4 billion to GBP 388. 1 billion. with growth well balanced between personal and corporate customers across retail banking and private banking and wealth management, mortgage balance grew by GBP 1.7 billion, and our stock share remained stable at 12.6%. Unsecured balances increased by a further GBP 100 million, mainly in credit cards. In commercial and institutional, gross customer loans, excluding government schemes were up by GBP 3 billion. This includes GBP 1.6 billion across our commercial mid-market customers, in particular, in project finance, social housing and residential, commercial real estate as well as GBP 1.5 billion in corporate and institutions, mainly driven by infrastructure and funds lending. I'll now turn to deposits. These were broadly stable across our 3 businesses at GBP 435 billion. Retail banking deposit balances were down GBP 0.8 billion, with growth of GBP 0.6 billion in current accounts, more than offset by lower fixed-term saving balances following large maturities. Private banking balances that reduced by GBP 0.7 billion with flows into investments as customers diversify and manage their savings as well as tax payments made in July. We saw a small increase in commercial and institutional of GBP 0.4 billion, with higher balances in both commercial, mid-market and business banking. Deposit mix across the 3 businesses were broadly stable. Turning now to costs. We are pleased with our delivery of savings this year, which allows us to invest and accelerate our program of bank-wide simplification. Costs grew 1% to GBP 2 billion, including GBP 34 million of our guided onetime integration costs. This brings integration costs for the first 9 months to GBP 68 million. We remain on track for other operating expenses to be around GBP 8 billion for the full year. plus around GBP 100 million of onetime integration costs. This means you should expect expenses to be higher in the fourth quarter, driven by the annual bank levy and the timing of investment spend. I'd like to turn now to impairments. Our prime loan book is well diversified and continues to perform well. We are reporting a net impairment charge of GBP 153 million for the third quarter. equivalent to 15 basis points of loans on an annualized basis. Our post model adjustments for economic uncertainty of GBP 233 million are broadly unchanged. And following our usual review, our economic assumptions also remain unchanged. Overall, we are comfortable with our provisions and coverage, and we have no significant concerns about the credit portfolio at this time. Given the current performance of the book and the 17 basis points of impairments year-to-date, we continue to expect a lower impairment rate below 20 basis points for the full year. Turning now to capital. We ended the third quarter with a common equity Tier 1 ratio of 14.2%, up 60 basis points on the second. We generated 101 basis points of capital before distributions, taking the 9-month total to 202 basis points. Strong third quarter earnings added 84 basis points and the reduction in risk-weighted assets contributed another 8 basis points. Risk-weighted assets decreased by GBP 1 billion to GBP 189.1 billion. GBP 0.9 billion of business movements which broadly reflects our lending growth and GBP 0.3 billion from CRD 4 model inflation were more than offset by a GBP 2.2 billion reduction as a result of RWA management. This brings our CET1 ratio before distributions to 14.6%. We accrued 50% of attributable profits for the ordinary dividend as usual, equivalent to 42 basis points of capital. We continue to expect RWAs of GBP 190 billion to GBP 195 billion at the year-end, with a greater impact from CRD4 expected in the fourth quarter. Turning now to guidance for 2025. We now expect income excluding notable items, to be around GBP 16.3 billion and return on tangible equity to be greater than 18%. Our cost impairment and RWA guidance remains unchanged. And with that, I'll hand back to Paul. Thank you. Paul Thwaite: Thank you, Katie. So to conclude, we're pleased to report another very strong quarter of income growth, profits, returns and capital generation. This has been driven by customer activity across all 3 of our businesses, leading to strong broad-based lending growth and robust fee income. Our continued focus on cost discipline has delivered meaningful operating leverage. And as we actively manage both our balance sheet and risk, the business remains well positioned to deliver strong shareholder returns. As you've heard, we have upgraded our full year income and returns guidance today. And we'll update you on our guidance for 2026 and share our new targets for 2028 at the full year in February. Many thanks. We'll now open it up for questions. Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Benjamin Caven-Roberts of Goldman Sachs. Benjamin Caven-Roberts: So 2 for me, please. First on deposits and second, on noninterest income. So on deposits, could you talk a bit about deposit momentum in the business? And in particular, you mentioned the retail fixed term outflows over the quarter. Could you talk a bit more about how much of that is reflecting conscious pricing decisions? And then looking ahead, the sort of trajectory for deposits going forward? And then on noninterest income, very strong even when adjusting out the notable items related to derivatives. Could you talk about momentum in that franchise and what business drivers you're particularly focused on looking ahead? Paul Thwaite: Thanks, Ben. Good to hear from you. So let's take them 1 by one. So on deposits, so big picture is up around GBP 3.5 billion, around 1% year-to-date. Different stories within the different businesses. I guess, we talked at the half year around the kind of ISA season and some of the -- get the confluence of debate around the future of ISA and how that led and some of the movements in the swap curves on the back of tariffs and how that led to different pricing. That period is behind us. There's been more normalized pricing since the kind of April, May. If you look at our 3 businesses, I'd say slightly different trends. I'll finish with retail because there's more to unpack there. On the commercial side, deposits are up, encouragingly, that's in kind of the business bank and commercial mid-market. That's good. Private bank cash deposits are down. A combination of things, July, we saw some tax payments -- but also we see more funds shift from cash deposits into securities and investments, which is a net positive trend. In retail, if you look at current account balances, they are up. So kind of operational balances, salary accounts, you can see that the numbers are up there. I think the details are in the disclosures. Instant Access is flat. -- where we've seen some reductions is in fixed term accounts. And that reflects a number of mature -- large maturities that we had during the quarter. We're pleased with our retention rates. They're running about 80%, 85%. But as you alluded to, given our LDR at 88%, LCR at 148% we're finding a right balance between value and volume. So we've been pretty dynamic, and we're focusing on where we see funding and customer value. So that's that's unpacking the deposit story for you. So different stories in different businesses, relatively stable given our overall funding profile, very focused on managing appropriately for value. On the second question, which is non-NII, yes, as you alluded to, we're pleased with the quarter, and we're pleased with the year-to-date. Good momentum in the areas that we've been focusing on. I mean it's quite broad-based actually, when you unpack it, cards, payments, but obviously good contribution within C&I from our markets business driven by the strong FX franchise and by the capital markets business. So we've had a strong quarter 3 there, probably slightly stronger than we expected when we spoke to you at the half year. We feel as if our focus on those areas, whether it's the market part of commercial institutional, whether it's our payments business. But also, as you can see in our wealth business, the fees from assets under management are increasing as well. So it feels like we've got good progress and good momentum on fees and it remains a strategic area of focus for us. Thanks, Ben. Operator: Our next question comes from Sheel Shah of JPMorgan. Sheel Shah: Great. Firstly, on the costs. You've reiterated your cost guidance for the year despite the strong third quarter performance. How should we think about cost growth going forward, given we have CPI going back towards 4%. You're clearly simplifying the bank internally. Do you think a 3% cost growth number is the right level for the bank? Or do you think that maybe understates your ability to manage the cost base? And then secondly, on capital, could you give us a steer on the CRD impact that we expect for the fourth quarter? And maybe thinking about the fourth quarter capital level, how are you thinking about operating in that 13% to 14% range? Is there anything preventing you from moving down towards the 13%? Or are you managing maybe for M&A or anything else maybe in the horizon that you're thinking about? Because this is clearly the strongest capital print we've had for the last maybe 3, 4 years or maybe 2 to 3 years for the bank overall. Paul Thwaite: Thanks, Sheel. Katie, I'll take the cost and then turn it over to you on the capital piece of that okay. Katie Murray: Yes. Paul Thwaite: On cost, Sheel, so as you say, it's a -- it's a strong year-to-date picture if you look at year-on-year comparisons. And obviously, we have the one-off in terms of the integration costs as well of Sainsbury's. I am pleased with the momentum we're getting on the simplification agenda. I think that's -- you can see that starting to bear fruit. It's also I think most pleasingly, it's a bit of a flywheel because it creates investment capacity to drive further transformation in the business. And it's not only cost out it's also improving customer experience and colleague experience as well. So as you alluded to, we're holding with the current year guidance, GBP 8 billion plus the GBP 100 million of integration costs, but we are pleased with the momentum on the agenda -- on the simplification agenda. I'm not going to be drawn on kind of 26 costs or future costs. We'll talk to you in February around '26 guidance and new '28 targets. But what I would say thematically is we still have a very significant focus on cost management, and we're a very high conviction on the simplification agenda. And to help put that in context a little bit for you to deliver the cost print that we are doing this year requires us to take more than 4% out of the kind of the underlying business. so that we can support the investment, the inflation-related changes, be they wages or tech contracts. So we've got good momentum in kind of taking that, driving that efficiency out. been able to invest, but also delivering good cost control. So that's the ethos going forward. And the levers that we're pulling those levers can still be pulled moving forward, whether that's continued acceleration of our digitization, streamlizing and modernizing the tech estate. Just by way of example, we decommission 24 platforms in retail so far this year, which is great. You've seen we've done a lot of work simplifying our operating model, whether it's in our wealth business, moving some of the support areas in Switzerland to the U.K. and India rationalizing our European footprint, legal entity footprint. and just some of the good organizational health measures. So it feels as though those levers that we've been pulling can continue to be pulled -- and then obviously, you lay over that some of the productivity benefits we're seeing from AI and those activities around customer contact, software engineering. So net-net, I'm not giving you a number for '26, but hopefully giving you a sense of how we're thinking about it and where the momentum is coming from, and therefore, our confidence in maintaining a good healthy cost profile going forward. Katie? Katie Murray: Perfect. Sure. So Sheel, I'll just start off talking a little bit with CRD for the interest on capital as well. So look, as you look at it, you're absolutely right. In the quarter, limited CRD4 impact. We are expecting the majority of that in Q4 and a little bit of that may even bleed into 2026. So when you think of our kind of RWAs from here, it's very much about the loan growth, the management actions as well as that more material impact of CRD4 coming in, in the fourth quarter. And then going forward, you're familiar with Basel 3.1 coming in in 2026. That is always important to remember that comes with a bit of a Pillar 2 reduction when it comes through in terms of capital. But when I think of kind of the RWAs is to kind of think of the absolute growth that we're talking about in the book, importantly, the mix of that growth, but also the kind of risk density that you see once we pass the CRD for and the Basel 3.1. And of course, obviously, the continuing strength of our management action program that we have. And then if you turn to kind of capital, clearly, a really strong print today, very pleased with the 101 basis points we did in the third quarter, 202 bps for the first 9 months. I mean a great result by any measure. We've always said that we're happy to operate down to that 13%. We do think about capital generation and when we think of it in terms of dividends and where we're going to land and things like's that, we do debate the sort of next sort of 6, 12 months as well because you've got to think about we really try to manage a consistent program of capital return back to the market, but also it mindful of that RWA generation that's coming, whether it be from regulatory change or the growth the growth within the book. And so as you -- I would kind of as you consider where we might land and what we might think about is think on those various points. Thanks very much, Sheel. Paul Thwaite: Thanks Sheel. Operator: Our next question comes from Aman Rakkar of Barclays. Aman Rakkar: I had 2 questions, please. I guess we're all probably singularly focused on 2026 at this stage. So particularly on income, love to kind of get your take on how we should think about the various drivers from here across I guess margin developments, clearly, loan growth continues to surprise positively, but any color you can provide on kind of the drivers of fee income from here would be really helpful. And I guess the second question was around your longer-term targets that hopefully you're going to present to the market in the new year. And to me, it looks like there is the underpinning of pretty decent operating leverage for a number of years here, not least because of the structural tailwind to '28 that you guys flagged. So I guess one for Paul really in terms of your view on structural operating leverage in your business on a multiyear view from here, how confident you are in that in terms of some of the levers you might want to pull -- and I guess, I'm ultimately interested in the RoTE output. For me, you're doing 18% this year, and there's no reason to think in my mind why you don't accrete quite nicely over and above that level as you realize that operating leverage. So any kind of color you can give on that basis would be really helpful. Paul Thwaite: Katie, do you want to take '26 and I'll talk about. Katie Murray: Perfect. That's great. Thanks, good to hear your voice. Look, we do continue to expect the income growth that we've seen throughout our guidance period, and we do remain confident in that growth trajectory beyond 2025. So as I look at 2026, there's probably a few things I would kind of guide you to. One, growth. I mean, we've talked about this a lot, but we've got a strong multiyear track record of growth across all 3 of our businesses. We outpaced the wider sector on that. if we look at the breadth of our business, we know that we're well placed to capture demand as it comes through, and we'll continue to deploy capital throughout 2026, and we do expect that growth to continue. Obviously, there's a mix of growth across both sides of the balance sheet, and that's very much a function of customer and competitor behavior. The hedge, I think you're all very familiar with the hedge these days. We've talked about it such a lot over this last year, but certainly, strong growth into 2026, over GBP 1 billion higher in absolute terms in 2025. I think that's well understood by all of you. Rate cuts, we do expect one further rate cut in Q1 after our plans still have a rate cut in November. So we get to a kind of terminal rate of 3.5%. And then you'll see the kind of averaging impact of the rates we've had this year coming through into 2026. Paul has already spoken on noninterest income and our confidence in that business, very much the strength of the kind of customer franchise, always dependent on customer volatility and -- sorry, customer activity and volatility, but it served us very well this year. But if I think of all of those trends together, Aman, they will continue beyond next year as well, obviously, with the exception of rate cuts as we believe we'll get to that terminal rate in 2026. But I'd agree with you, we feel quite well placed at the moment. Paul? Paul Thwaite: Thanks, Katie, and thanks, Aman. And yes, A, we've announced today that we'll share targets for '28 in February. So we've been very explicit on that. So we look forward to that session. But as you say, it's obvious we've got good momentum in the business, and that's predicated on strong operating leverage. If you look at today's numbers, we've got a 5% cost/income ratio improvement, and we've guided to over 9% jaws for the year. So a very strong proof point of the operating leverage that we've got in the current business model and business mix, which we have talked about previously. But as I said, I'm just very pleased that it's bearing fruit as the -- both the income growth and the simplification agenda comes through. as I said to Sheel's question, we are high conviction on the simplification agenda. The levers we are pulling are working, and we can see a path to continue to pull those levers, which should further support the operating leverage to link it to Katie's answer as we see the top line growth through the different aspects. It's our seventh year of growth above 4% on the lending side. So that gives us confidence there that we've got customer businesses that will capture demand and have grown above market growth levels over a multiyear track record. So that's what's going to inform our thinking as we go through. But the underlying thesis here is very tight management of costs that creates capacity to invest, growing the customer franchises, strong jaws, generates a lot of capital, over 100 basis points in the quarter, over 200 for the year, and that gives us confidence about the outlook. So hopefully, that gives you a sense how we're thinking about it. And obviously, we'll talk specific numbers in February. Thanks Aman. Operator: Our next question comes from Alvaro Serrano from Morgan Stanley. Alvaro de Tejada: Hopefully, you can hear me okay. I guess the 2 bit follow-ups, but I'm interested. NatWest Markets continues to do very well and hold up very well. And I know there's a history there, and I suspect part of the cautious guidance has been on the limited visibility of the nature -- because of the nature of the business. But given it continues to perform pretty steadily, consensus has it down the contribution in 2026, and there's not a lot of growth medium term in noninterest income. Given the performance the last few years, can you sort of share your reflections on that business? How much is being cyclical versus what you changed in the business? And is that right to assume a normalization down medium term and next year in particular? And second, around loan growth, it continues to do very well. in corporate, I'm thinking now it was lumpy to start with in corporate and institutional, but it does look like it's much more spread out in mid-market now. Again, as we think about the next few quarters, how do you see that momentum? Should we think that this level of growth is sustainable? Paul Thwaite: Thanks, Alvaro. Katie, do you want to take the C&I kind of markets products question, and I'll take the wider lending. Katie Murray: Yes. No, absolutely. So I mean, Alvaro, it's interesting. Obviously, you've been with us for some time, and you've been on that journey in terms of NatWest Markets. And I think the real strategic important thing that kind of has happened really from the beginning of last year is actually the merging of C&I into into that kind of commercial and institutional business so that you have one team really delivering strategically for their customers. And we've really seen the benefit of that coming through. We've had very robust noninterest income. That -- there's been higher fee income coming through in payments and the strong performance from C&I is an important part of that. And it's really around the strategy that we've got of bringing more of the bank to more of our customers. And a result of that, we see -- we saw the strong demand for FX management and then really strong risk management as well against the backdrop of the volatile markets that was there. So really making sure that we were in place for our customers when they needed us in terms of the general kind of market activity. So I would say it is very much the outcome of that strategy of bringing that NatWest activity into the C&I franchise, making sure that we're there to deliver and meet the kind of customer activity as we go forward. And we would expect that to kind of continue from here. Volatility is a big part, of course. It's hard to call where that will land. Customer activity is critical, but we kind of -- we really do see that as a really strong basis going forward. I'd just remind you, as I often do on these calls, is when you're looking at noninterest income, it's always good to look at the 3 businesses. You do get a little bit of noise in the center as you move forward from here that will reduce a little bit as we go forward. But overall income outlook kind of is -- I think we're very pleased with it, and that's what's enabled us to upgrade our guidance for this year. And you've heard me talk around the confidence we have as we go into 2026 as well. Thanks, Alvaro. Paul? Paul Thwaite: Thanks, Katie. And Alvaro, I sense your question on lending was specifically around the commercial institutional business. And -- but just I think it's worth framing our, I guess, our lending growth and our lending opportunity more broadly before that. I say we've got a decent multiyear track record now of growing the 3 businesses. That's 7 years at above 4%. This year, it's currently running up GBP 16 billion. It's up 4.4%. So it's quite broad-based the growth. If you drop down into the commercial franchise, it's a good spot. The quarter 3 print and the growth of around GBP 3 billion is split between, I guess, the large corporates and the mid-market. It's pleasing to see the momentum in the commercial mid-market. You'll have heard me say before, I do think that's kind of a helpful proxy on the kind of wider U.K. environment. When you look at where the growth is coming from in the mid-market, -- you can see it in social housing. You can see it in certain parts of real estate. You can see it in parts of infrastructure. So again, it's quite broad-based. So lending as a total quantum, yes, strong, but the constituent businesses it's coming from is encouraging as well. Infrastructure is a big part of that. And what I'd say is I feel as if our commercial business is very well positioned to some of those bigger structural trends that we're seeing. So whether it is infrastructure, whether it's project finance, whether it's sort of the social housing agenda. So the kind of combination of the structural trends and the policy trends support those areas we are -- we have deep specialisms in and have had for quite a few years. So yes, encouraging, as you say. Thanks Alvaro. Operator: Our next question comes from Chris Cant of Autonomous. Christopher Cant: Can you hear me? Paul Thwaite: Yes, we can. Christopher Cant: Okay. It's still got a little mute icon on the screen, so I was a bit concerned. Paul Thwaite: Crystal clear. Christopher Cant: Just on loan growth, Paul, I mean, I think it's been an area where if I look at consensus, consensus has got 3% or less loan growth in over the next couple of years. It's been something that as a management team, you've typically been reluctant to sort of give an expectation on beyond saying you have a track record of growing quicker than the market. But as you think out to the next planning period, -- how are you thinking about that in absolute terms? I presume you have a view on how much growth you think the market is likely to see and you want to exceed that. But should we be thinking about 4% as a sort of reasonable expectation or in excess of 4% is a reasonable expectation, assuming no kind of macro volatility or blow up? And then on the returns target, please. So again, it's an area where you're a little bit different from your domestic peers. The last 2 return targets you've given, I guess, have been a little bit more of a through-the-cycle expectation where you would expect to hit them sort of regardless of what was happening to rates and the macro environment. Now that things have settled down from a, I guess, customer behavioral perspective, in particular, on the deposit front, are you going to be giving us a different flavor of return expectation when you're looking out to 2028? So will you be guiding on where you think the business will be in '28 with your base case assumption rather than a sort of a floor underpinning a broader range of potentially more downside scenarios around customer behavior and macro activity and so on? Paul Thwaite: Great. Okay. Thank you, Chris. So I'll take the second one quickly first. Obviously, we'll see you in February and talk about it. And obviously, some of the topics you alluded to are what we're thinking about as we go into February and we share '28 numbers. But obviously, we will lay out what assumptions we've made around those targets at that time. But it's a very active debate, as you rightly allude to. On the lending side, I think you characterized the position very well and very consistent with how we see it. We're very confident in the track record that we've had. Our ability to grow above market has been proven year-on-year. It does vary by business and market conditions as to as well. But that's what gives us confidence in terms of the outlook for the lending position. I'm not going to declare new targets or new deltas relative to market growth on the call. I think I've given quite enough color about, I guess, our historic track record and how we're thinking about the business going forward to hopefully give you a sense of confidence and optimism we have around the lending profile. Thanks Chris. Operator: Our next question comes from Jonathan Pierce of Jefferies. Jonathan Richard Pierce: I've got 2 questions. One is on the equity Tier 1 target moving forward. Is that something you'll potentially give us a bit more of an update on in February? Or are we going to have to wait until the back end of the year once Basel 3.1 is pretty much nailed down. I ask, of course, because the MDA is 11.6. I guess it drops 30 bps, something like that on Basel 3.1. And it feels like the scope to probably operate towards the lower end of your current range rather than the middle or the upper end of it. The second question is a bit more detailed, I'm afraid, around deferred tax assets. In the 9 months to date, the DTA deduction from capital has fallen by GBP 250 million, and it was GBP 100 million in the last quarter alone. So it's not an insignificant amount of capital build that's now coming from that DTA. So I just wondered if we should expect that sort of run rate to continue until the stock has run out a few years forward. I guess we should because RBS plc is now generating good profit and so on and so forth. And sorry, just a supplementary on that. The last 3 years, you bought back around GBP 300 million a year of unrecognized DTA back onto the balance sheet. Are we going to see the same again in the fourth quarter of this year, Katie? Paul Thwaite: Okay. Thanks, Jonathan. So Katie, why don't you lead out on the CET1? Katie Murray: And then I will get to... Paul Thwaite: And then we'll get to some of the DTI. Katie Murray: No, that's all right. It's one of my preferred specialist subjects, so I'll make you wait for the answers on that one just for a little bit longer. But on CET1 Look, there's a lot of things going on at the moment, Jonathan, with CET1, as you're very much aware. Obviously, the Bank of England is looking at their review of capital requirements. So we're looking forward to the FEC's update on that assessment. It's due to come out on December 2. So we'll see what comes through with that. Our approach on capital has always been to review it as part of our annual ICAP process and the risk appetite review that we do as well as working with the PRA on their kind of annual stress tests. And you're familiar with the numbers. We can see that our capital position has really improved over the last couple of years as we've derisked the business. We've also added a significant amount of capital into the business as a result of the RWA inflation that we've had. I think importantly, as part of the SREP process that we had this year that just came out in Q3. Our Pillar 2A there was reduced to -- by 17 basis points. which took our statutory minimum requirement to 11.6%. I do expect that number to reduce further once Basel 3.1 is implemented on the 1st of January 2027. And we've got pretty good line of sight in that. So therefore, when you look at it, you can see that we've got strong buffers relative to that lower bound of 13% of our current targets. So I'm not committing today as to the date or what we might do on any change of our 13% to 14% target, but we are actively thinking about the appropriate capital targets and capital buffers that we have required for our business on a more medium to longer term. Look, if you go to the deferred tax aspect of it, I think there's a couple of things to remember within there that the treatment within capital is slightly different than the treatment within accounting. So you sort of -- you can see changes coming through at different times. differences of recognition versus utilization of those assets. But we have just over GBP 800 million of DTA assets remaining. We have written back about GBP 1.2 billion since 2023. So we don't have a significant amount more to recognize. Interestingly, with deferred tax assets, you've got to really look at where they're sitting in terms of the legal entity structure as well and what's kind of -- and the ability to use them is very much structured by that legal entity structure. We do think, however, that our utilization in Q4 would be around in line with Q3. And then for 2026 onwards, we do expect a slightly lower utilization, probably around GBP 100 million to GBP 150 million per year. So continued support to capital generation, but at a slightly different level just given that we've used a lot of the losses up there or given where other historic losses are sitting and your ability to kind of access them. And Jonathan, we happily have a longer chat on DT offline as well with you, if that's something that would be helpful. Operator: Our next question comes from Guy Stebbings of BNP Paribas Exane. Guy Stebbings: So just around NII and the NIM bridge in Q3, and then I had one very short supplementary. So the hedge build was, I think, broadly as expected. The better performance in terms of the NIM bridge, I think came from funding and other and then to a lesser extent, the asset margins, which were up fractionally. So firstly, on the funding and other, I think that included some hedge accounting and reallocations between NII and OI. So perhaps you could just clarify exactly what's going on there. And to be clear, if it's correct to think that we should expect any sort of sequential benefits from there, but nor it reverses, that's the right way to think about it? And then on the asset margins, do you think we should expect to see further growth in there? Or is that really just a function of Sainsbury's coming in fully and then perhaps need to be mindful of some minor mortgage spread churn as we look forward? And then just a very quick point of clarification. On RWAs, I recognize the guidance hasn't changed. You flagged the business growth and CRD IV model changes. But just interested if we're coming into Q4 in a slightly better position than you originally thought and whether that means we might be more towards the lower end of that range for the full year guide. Paul Thwaite: Thanks. Katie, over to you. Katie Murray: Yes, perfect, Lovely. Thanks very much. So first of all, yes, funding and other, up 3 basis points, 2 bps related to treasury, and that's not going to repeat. This bucket is always interesting in the walk. It's got a number of different moving parts within it. And really, it's kind of the reflection of the management of a GBP 700 billion balance sheet that we need to consider kind of in any given quarter. So you do get the odd basis point that comes out. But this quarter, we did implement a hedge accounting solution for some of that FX swap activity that we've talked about over the last number of quarters. It's a one-off 2 bp benefit. in NIM, we don't expect it to repeat nor do we expect it to reverse. But going forward, you should see less volatility in the NIM from that activity quarter-on-quarter, which will be a lower drag to NII, a lower benefit to noninterest income. But really importantly, the same economic benefit overall as we go through. If I look at the asset margin, up 1 basis point is a very kind of small movement. And you're absolutely right, Guy, is benefiting from a whole quarter of Sainsbury's. I'm not expecting particular expansion in that line. It's very much dependent in one quarter on the mix and what you might see kind of happening within there at any time. If I spend a little moment on the kind of mortgage margins that we have within there, you're absolutely right. If you think of where our mortgage margins are versus the NIM overall, that's clearly something that you do see as a bit of a negative -- we've always talked that the book is around 70 basis points. We do see at the moment that we're writing a little below that, just -- and that's very much a symptom of the really intense competition that we're seeing on mortgages. So again, that will be a feature of the NIM as we go through from here. The market does move around in terms of where that is. But certainly, at the moment, there's a little bit of pressure within that space. In terms of RWAs, I would really think of that really as timing as much as anything else. I wouldn't say it's going to be particularly having an impact. In the next quarter, I have talked about more material CRD IV impacts coming through. There'll be a little bit of loan growth, of course. We've obviously continued to work on our risk management -- sorry, our RWA management program as well. But I wouldn't look at that and go actually, that's going to pull them down. It really is just timing. Thanks, Guy. Hopefully, that answered it all. Operator: Our next question comes from Robert Noble at Deutsche Bank. Robert Noble: I wanted to ask one on liquidity, please. So there's been a continued rotation in your liquidity from cash into government bonds that seems to pick up, right? So what's the spread pickup you're getting off that? And hypothetically, could you move all cash into gilts? Or what's the regulatory restriction that caps you out from doing that? And then just on the term deposit outflows in the quarter, should we expect the same next quarter given that 1 year and 2 year ago, rates looked equally as high. Is there a similar maturity issue in Q4? Paul Thwaite: Thanks, Rob. So I take the deposit one quickly and then back to you liquidity piece. On deposits, Rob, we did have some particularly large maturities in the third quarter. And you're right, if you think back 2 years ago when we had the kind of the backup in rates, they related to that. So it's not that we don't have maturities in quarter 4, but they're not of the same size or price or margin price points as what we had in quarter 3. And as I said, our retention rates are actually quite good. We're just being very dynamic in where we see value and retention and where we don't. So that's how to think about that. Katie? Katie Murray: Yes, sure. On liquidity. So we -- a couple of things going on in that liquidity ratio. One, we've recognized the TFSME repayment that we're about to do given the way that's moved through. So don't -- so don't kind of forget that piece, that will be happening in the next kind of few weeks. But you're absolutely right. If I look at the swap we've made into gilts, it really was a question to get some of that pickup. It's about 50 basis points in the 5- to 7-year kind of level. So very pleased to have done that. We wouldn't move the entire piece of our liquidity portfolio into gilts. That would be not quite putting all your money on black. But it's -- we do kind of obviously have some restrictions around where we have to hold and the restriction is really a function of that leverage ratio as well to make sure that, that's the right balance. I would say at the moment, the portfolio is split around 50-50. So there's plenty of opportunity to do a little bit more of maneuvering into gilts if we think that that's attractive as well. But certainly, just as you would expect us to be being quite dynamic in the management of that portfolio. Thanks very much, Rob. Operator: Our next question comes from Benjamin Toms of RBC. Benjamin Toms: First one is just to help my structural hedge model, if that's all right. Your guidance this year for structural hedge maturities of GBP 35 billion. Should we be making the same assumption for next year? I'm just conscious that you added to the hedge in '21 and 2022. So I'm not sure whether that should mean there's a pickup in maturities or whether you're just feathering at the front end, which means maturities should be pretty consistent as we go through the years. And then secondly, on other income, you purchased cushion in 2023 to provide workplace pension solutions. Can you just give us your latest strategic thoughts on that part of the business, what you think you do well and what you think you lack? Katie Murray: Yes, perfect. So in terms of the maturity, I mean, Ben, the way that we look at it, it's GBP 172 billion at the moment. It's obviously a function of current account and NIBs growth. We're pleased to see the growth in that. You'll recall that we do a kind of look back of 12 months as we work out how much we're going to reinvest. We also do some work during the year on the behavioral life in terms of what's happening with our actual current account holders and things like that. But actually, what I would guide you to at the moment is think of it really as GBP 35 billion a year. If we see particularly strong growth on those current accounts, it might change in the future years. But for your model, I would stick to the GBP 35 billion number. It's very even because we've been so mechanistic. So I wouldn't kind of deviate from there. Paul, do you want to? Paul Thwaite: Yes, I'll take workplace pensions. So Ben, cushion is a good business. It's got a strong proposition, very strong technology, and it's proven attractive to our kind of commercial mid-market customers. Obviously, there's kind of legal legal and kind of market dynamics that make it important for a lot of those clients to be able to offer workplace pensions to their employees and colleagues. And it's proven very attractive. And it's -- going forward, I think it's an important part of the proposition that we can provide or facilitate that service. There has also been a series of reg changes in the last couple of years around Master Trust, which certainly lend themselves to Master Trust having significant scale. So net-net, it's a good business. It's an important proposition to be able to offer to our commercial clients, but there have been some regulatory changes as well. So that's how we're thinking about, I guess, that workplace pensions area. Thanks Ben. Operator: Our next question is from Ed Firth of KBW. Edward Hugo Firth: I guess I had 2 related questions. I mean the first one is, if I look at your returns in Q3, they're now -- even if you take out the one-off, over 20%. And if I -- if you can normalize, we can normalize the hedge and capital is quite strong. So you're easily getting into the mid-20s or high 20s. And so I'm just trying to think how do you think about that in terms of what is an appropriate level of return? Because we can talk about the operating leverage and lower capital requirements going forward, et cetera, which would push that up even more. And I'm thinking of that, I guess, in the context of a bank tax potentially in November because it feels like it will be quite a tough discussion between you and the government about levels of return and appropriate levels of return. So I guess that would be my first question. At what level do you think we make enough now and actually we should be focusing on growing from here and fixing the returns? I guess that's the first question. Then the second one is sort of related to that. We're all sort of thinking now about -- I know it's sort of 2 years away, but what happens when the hedge runs out. And if you are at sort of peak returns, what do you do next, I guess, is the question? Because there was various discussions earlier in the year about potentially you buying things, but you obviously stepped away from that. And I'm just thinking, is that what we should think about going forward? Because relative to your own returns, I think it's going to be tough to find anything that makes an equivalent level if that's okay. So rather rambling 2 questions, but I think quite key. Paul Thwaite: Yes. Thanks, Ed. Good to hear from you. I guess there's a number of those points intersect with each other. First thing I'd say is, as you well know, it's taken a long time for a number of banks to return their cost of capital. So in some ways, it's healthy that we're having that discussion. You look at it through another lens, notwithstanding that, U.K. banks are still valued very differently to many other parts of the world for what could arguably be said to be similar businesses, similar business models and mixes and in certain extent, very similar regulatory regimes. I'm going to slightly disappoint you and give you a kind of a politician's answer about what's the right levels of returns. I think the key way we think about it is from a management team perspective and a Board perspective is we need to get the balance right between supporting customers and deploying our capital to do that and helping them grow and hopefully helping the U.K. between investing in the business, it's a very competitive sector, not just the large incumbents, but there's a very broad range of competitors. It's crucial that we invest in the business. And primarily, that relates to technology and people. And we need to make the right returns and return and present what hopefully everybody believes is an attractive investment case. So the debate we have is about the balance between those 3 items. It's a spot RoTE for the quarter. As you say, it has some one-offs in, but yes, fair challenge, it's year-to-date, it's 19.5%. And if you take off the one-offs, it's high 18%. We're working very hard on all the lines, not just the structural hedge. We're trying to grow lending growth. We're driving cost out of the business. We're working the balance sheet an awful lot harder. So we think those returns are the kind of the fruits of our activity. And I think as a Board, you just have to -- we just have to debate, let's get the balance right between making sure we've got a really attractive and sustainable business in the long term, and we're investing it -- we're doing what we need to do in terms of supporting customers and delivering returns. So that's how we think about it. I know I haven't shared a number there for -- because I don't think that's the appropriate way to do it. On M&A or kind of where does that lead, which is a very connected question. The strategy is working. I laid it out 2 years ago. The organic plan is obviously proving successful. We're growing all 3 of our businesses. We're driving a lot of simplification. I think we've got a good runway to go. We've managed to do that without changing our kind of risk profile. That hasn't been a constraint on our growth. We've continued to grow. So that's great. So organic plan looks good. If opportunities come to accelerate that plan, then we'll look at them. You'll have heard probably 5 times my quote about the financial high bar, but that remains true. It has to be -- if we're going to deploy capital on something that we think can accelerate the plan, it has to be compelling from a shareholder perspective. And that's how we look at things. It has to Otherwise, it's -- I think it's a hard case for me to make to investors. So we will look, but we'll be cold eyed. And the counterfactual, as you say, when the organic plan is performing so well, the counterfactual can be arguably more challenging. But I think I have a responsibility to do that in terms of the alternative uses of the capital. So I've expanded a little bit there. Hopefully, that's given you a sense of just how as management, we think about those topics. Operator: We are now approaching 10 a.m. So we'll take our last question from Andrew Coombs from Citi. Andrew Coombs: I guess one follow-up and 2 follow-ups really. Just firstly, on that point about capital return versus inorganic versus organic loan growth. I mean, you yourself have said there's a very high bar for inorganic given the returns you're already producing. And obviously, now you're trading well above tangible book. The buybacks are also slightly less accretive than they would have once been. So when you're thinking about the dividend payout, the 50% policy, any reason why that couldn't be higher going forward? What are the pros and cons of shifting that dividend payout ratio? And then second question, just on the structural hedge. You're still at 2.5-year average duration. Your peers are all now at 3.5 partly due to what they see to be the behavioral life of the deposit base. I'm sure partly due to technical reasons as well. But perhaps you could elaborate on the maturity profile of the hedge and why you don't see the need to increase it here. Paul Thwaite: Great. Thanks, Andrew. I'll take the first. You take the second, Katie? Katie Murray: Okay. Paul Thwaite: Okay. So Andy, obviously, we've increased the ordinary dividend from 40% to 50%. We're in the first year of that. In parallel, we'll also said we'll look at surplus capital at the half year and the full year, as you would expect us to with the Board. We're very keen to have a consistent approach to surplus capital distribution. So we're not actively reviewing the ordinary at the moment. But over time, obviously, it's a responsible thing for the Board to do. Katie, on the average life of the hedge? Katie Murray: Yes, absolutely. So it's interesting -- as we look at the hedge, it's important to remember the hedge has got 2 portions within it. There's the equity hedge and also the product hedge. So you're absolutely right. The product hedge is 2.5%. The total hedge is closer to 3. I think it's important as you look at the assumptions on this is the mechanistic model that we've had has played out very well for us. I mean, for me, I think you'd only increase your duration if you felt the duration of your eligible deposits had increased based on behavioral assumptions. I think given what we are seeing in terms of movement that we have not just on the current accounts, that wouldn't actually necessarily be something that I would say that we've seen in our books. I'm not doing that. And I think it's also really important. We've always been very clear that with the hedge. It isn't there for us to express a view on where rates are sitting. Others sometimes have taken different views on that, and you need to talk to them on that. But that's -- for me, if you were to try to extend at this point, the absolute pickup you'd be getting wouldn't be logical for the difference you would be making in it. And we don't necessarily see that actually within our underlying numbers that we're seeing those changes in behavioral likes that would also support that duration extension of that. But overall, product hedge 2.5 years, total hedge about closer to 3, very comfortable with the performance of it served us well for many, many years. And as we look at that increase in income this next year into 2026, greater than GBP 1 billion and continuing to grow as we go out to 2028 as well. So very happy with how it's performing. Thanks very much. Operator: Thank you for all your questions today. I will now pass back to Paul to close. Paul Thwaite: Yes. Thanks, Oliver, and thank you, everybody, for your questions. We appreciate both your time and the insightful questions on the call. So to wrap things up, we're very pleased with the performance in quarter 3 and the continuing momentum we've got in our 3 businesses. We've upgraded our income and returns guidance, and we continue to see opportunities, as I think we've conveyed today to continue to take market share and grow those businesses. We look forward to catching up with you at a couple of things. We've got the retail banking spotlight on November 25. And also, as I said earlier, we'll update you on our guidance for 2026 and share our new targets for 2028 at the full year in February. So I wish you all a good weekend. Thank you. Katie Murray: Thanks very much. Operator: That concludes today's presentation. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
Operator: Good morning, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Booz Allen Hamilton's earnings call covering Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2026 Results. [Operator Instructions] I'd now like to turn the call over to the Head of Investor Relations, Dustin Darensbourg. Dustin Darensbourg: Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Booz Allen's Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2026 Earnings Call. We hope you've had an opportunity to read the press release we issued earlier this morning. We have also provided presentation slides on our website and are now on Slide 2. With me today to talk about our business and financial results are Horacio Rozanski, our Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President; Matt Calderone, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Kristine Martin Anderson, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. As shown on the disclaimer on Slide 3, please note that we may make forward-looking statements on today's call which involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from forecasted results discussed in our SEC filings and on this call. All forward-looking statements are expressly qualified in their entirety by the foregoing cautionary statements and speak only as of the date made. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or revise publicly any forward-looking statements. During today's call, we will also discuss some non-GAAP financial measures and other metrics, which we believe provide useful information for investors. We include an explanation of adjustments and other reconciliations of our non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in our second quarter fiscal year 2026 earnings release and slides. Numbers presented may be rounded and as such, may vary slightly from those in our public disclosure. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to our Chairman, CEO and President, Horacio Rozanski. We are now on Slide 4. Horacio Rozanski: Thank you, Dustin. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. This morning, Kristine, Matt and I will share our financial results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2026. The headline for our call today is that the reacceleration of our business will take longer than we expected when we spoke last quarter. As a result, we are lowering top and bottom line guidance for the year. As I will describe in a moment, this is based on continuing friction in the overall procurement environment and fundamentally different dynamics within our civil and national security portfolios. By national security, I mean the combination of our increasingly integrated defense and intel businesses. At the same time, and despite these near-term headwinds, we continue to see strong performance in our most exciting growth vectors. This success fuels our optimism for the medium term. In a few moments, Matt will take you through our quarterly results in depth and cover how they differ from our original expectations. Before that, I would like to describe the market and how it impacts our business differentially, where we see growth coming from in the near and medium term and the actions we are taking to compete and win in the current environment and to set us up for long-term strategic and financial success. Beginning with the market. This is the most bifurcated environment I have seen in my decades with Booz Allen. Our civil and national security portfolios are experiencing completely different dynamics, and we believe both face different prospects over the coming quarters. Our civil business is operating in the most challenging market in a generation. Over the past 9 months, the pace of change in civil agencies focus on funding has moved at extraordinary speed. As we shared in May, this resulted in run rate cuts in some of our large technology contracts. Since then, the business base has stabilized and we have seen some growth in pockets. However, the procurement environment and our near-term pipeline in civil have not recovered. Our second quarter is typically the most active as it coincides with the end of the government's fiscal year. This year, we saw no major procurement actions nor plus ups or cuts on any existing contracts. And we also did not see nearly the typical pace of tactical selling. Given this environment, we expect our return to growth in civil to be delayed by several quarters. When exactly that happens, will depend on how funding and contract activity evolves. For our part, across all levels of government, we're discussing potential opportunities that align to the administration's highest priorities, from critical minerals to border security. These are excellent and very promising conversations. There are also several large RFPs in our growing medium-term business pipeline including new work and recompetes. Looking ahead, our focus in the civil business is to maximize our AI capabilities and commercial technology partnerships to revolutionize delivery and reignite growth. The dynamics across our defense and intelligence markets, broadly speaking, our national security portfolio, are fundamentally different from civil and are much stronger. There remains some friction in the funding process, characterized by shorter funding increments and slower ramp-ups in new contract wins. Despite this friction, the pace of awards in international security portfolio has been encouraging. Of our $7.2 billion of gross bookings in the quarter about 90% were in national security. This includes the almost $1.2 billion [indiscernible] task order, where Booz Allen will help the Air Force Research Laboratory to increase for fighting lethality through adoption of advanced technologies. We also won 3 other notable awards valued at over $800 million each, including a competitive takeaway win with the United States Army National Guard, Intelligence and Security Directorate and 2 wins at the Defense Intelligence Agency, where we will modernize military intelligence and deliver new AI/ML capabilities in global no fail missions. Booz Allen continues to win in national security because we bring our unparalleled technology and our depth of mission expertise to the fight. Looking more broadly across our national security work, our leading positions in cyber, AI and war fighting tech are highly relevant to the Trump administration's technology and mission priorities. Our cyber business is increasingly differentiated. Our Thunder Dome product is becoming the standard for Zero Trust. We met all the government's milestones 2 years ahead of schedule. And just last month, it won the 2025 Cybersecurity Breakthrough Award. We also continue to be the largest provider of AI to the federal government as [ Deltek ] recently reaffirmed. And cyber, AI, a new hardware and software [indiscernible] converge, we are building the tech that makes Booz Allen unbeatable at the edge. Some of you actually had the opportunity to see our edge technology at AUSA and our recent investor event. From our modular detachment kit or MDK, to attack [indiscernible] solution, and our exquisite tactical gear, we are combining our own tech with the best commercial products to empower and protect our nation's war fighters. As we look at this year and beyond, we continue to see top line growth in our national security portfolio and the potential for expanded margins as the transition to fixed price and outcome-based products and solutions takes hold. Now reaggregating our portfolio and looking across the entire company, we did not see the normalization of the procurement and funding environment that we originally assumed. I am disappointed in our results this quarter and that we are lowering guidance across all key metrics. Simply put, the strength in our national security portfolio cannot offset the current year decline in our Civil business. This has led us to reassess our market assumptions and to take bold and significant action immediately. We are well prepared to operate in a highly fluid and dynamic environment for the foreseeable future. There are significant opportunities ahead. For example, in the funding of priorities from the One Big Beautiful Bill, the prioritization of AI adoption across all aspects of the federal government and the increased pace of converting contracts to [indiscernible]. But there are also headwinds like the government shutdown, the decrease in the acquisition workforce and the continued reevaluation of civil agency priorities. Booz Allen's goal is to remain focused and nimble in this environment so we can accelerate into the more clear and proving growth vectors in our portfolio, areas where we have clear technology and mission leadership. And to do so, our strategy is threefold. First, we are reducing costs by accelerating the use of AI in our internal operations and simplifying our operating model. We're also making the difficult decision to reduce layers and numbers in our senior ranks. These actions will allow us to continue to invest in our priority growth areas and accelerate decision-making. Matt will describe the impact and timing of this program shortly. Second, we are focusing our investments by doubling down on our strengths. This means flowing investment and talent to a few key areas where we are currently experiencing strong growth and that we believe can be accelerated further. Our primary areas of focus for the near term include cyber, both in the government and commercial markets; artificial intelligence, including growing areas like Agentic, physical and adversarial AI; war fighting tech, especially in edge technologies and mission systems; critical national security programs, specifically scaling our work in ongoing missions supporting the war fighter both at home and abroad; tech ecosystem partnerships, including existing partnerships like NVIDIA, AWS and Shield AI, our own venture portfolio; and new concepts and ideas with the best companies in Silicon Valley. And of course, continued emphasis on new tech from Quantum to AI-native 6G. Booz Allen will lead in the next waves of technology as well. And third, as the administration accelerates the transition to outcome-based contracting and commercial solutions, Booz Allen is leading the way. We are working with our customers to convert existing contracts and procure new work using these models. We are working diligently to productize more of our including our breakthrough ground systems and fire control solutions proposed for Golden Dome. These approaches will provide greater cost savings and certainty for our customers and provide us with margin expansion opportunities as we gain greater flexibility in how we deliver. I believe that these steps, taken in combination, we'll expand our market leadership in key areas, accelerate the implementation of VoLT and importantly, strengthen our financial performance. In short, we are making bold moves in the areas we can control. Every period of adversity has made us stronger, and this one is no exception. We are transforming ourselves at breakneck speed. And I am deeply committed to ensuring Booz Allen is an essential player in driving America's technological superiority. Thus, I remain very optimistic about the future of our company. And with that, Matt, over to you. Matthew Calderone: Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. As Horacio noted, our business performance remains bifurcated. Our second quarter performance and revised guidance for the full fiscal year reflect this dynamic. In large portions of our business, we have real momentum, and we have a number of reasons for optimism about our medium-term financial performance. Most important, significant portions of our business are growing, and are positioned for continued growth. We anticipate that for the full fiscal year, our national security portfolio, inclusive of our Defense and Intelligence businesses will grow revenue in the mid-single-digit range. We won $7.2 billion of new work in the quarter, including 4 programs of over $800 million in our national security portfolio. We continue to build the technology that our nation needs and are rapidly expanding the network of commercial tech partners with whom we innovate. We have the ability to adjust our cost structure to meet near-term demand patterns, ensure we are cost competitive and create capacity to invest for the future. And finally, our balance sheet remains strong, and we continue to generate significant cash flow. This is a real strategic and financial asset. That said, we clearly experienced more disruption in the first half of our fiscal year than we anticipated, particularly in our civil portfolio. This is due to a number of factors. First, with the amount of change we are seeing in government, procurement cycles are stretching. New initiatives are seeing longer lead times and funding is coming in smaller increments. While the pace of contract funding improved over the course of our second quarter, it still lagged the prior year by 3%. And as a result, our funded backlog was down 6% year-over-year. Second, while our civil business has stabilized, and we have not experienced any negative contract actions beyond those discussed in the first quarter, there has been a substantial gap in procurements in the broader civilian space. We expect to see pricing pressures on large procurements, including a few notable recompetes. As a result, we now anticipate that our Civil business revenue will decline in the low 20% range for the year. Third, as stated previously, our Civil business has a proportionally larger share of fixed-price contracts and therefore, has historically generated higher profit margins than Booz Allen on the whole. Thus, our overall mix shift away from Civil is putting downward pressure on our margins in the near to medium term. And finally, the duration of the government shutdown has introduced an additional layer of friction into the system. We expect this will have a modest negative impact on our revenue and profitability for the full fiscal year. Echoing Horacio's earlier remarks, we previously stated that our FY '26 guidance was predicated on a normalization of the funding environment, particularly in our second quarter. While funding did pick up over the course of the quarter. In fact, September funding was consistent with the year prior. The overall pace of funding was meaningfully slower than the prior years. As a result, our business did not reaccelerate as we had forecast, and we now anticipate that our return to growth in the business overall, will require a few quarters. Due to these factors, we have revised our fiscal year 2026 guidance down across all key metrics. In our revised outlook, we assume that current funding and procurement trends persist through fiscal year-end, and therefore, they're on contract and new award growth relative to bookings will remain slower than in years past. Make no mistake, this is not the year that Booz Allen wanted to deliver, and we are taking significant actions in response. As Horacio stated, our focus going forward will be on 3 areas: doubling down on areas of our business where we see significant growth potential, working with our customers to convert how the solutions we build are bought in a more commercially oriented outcomes-based approach and restructuring our business to take out a net incremental $150 million of cost on an annualized basis. We have identified where this cost will come from and have already begun to take action. This will provide a modest benefit to our bottom line financial results this fiscal year. The full impact will be felt next fiscal year. We expect that these actions will support our margins returning closer to historical levels in fiscal year 2027, while having a modestly negative impact to revenue on our cost-plus contracts. Critically, these actions will also create room for continued investment in core technology and talent, allow us to be more competitive and increase our speed and agility to match the pace of the market. These are meaningful actions and are taking real effort. Some have long been in the works, some are painful, but necessary in a time of rapid change. Collectively, they support our VoLT strategy and our long-term vision for Booz Allen. And ultimately, they will position Booz Allen for an exciting new wave of growth and to deliver superior value for our shareholders. With that context, let's take a deeper dive into our second quarter results. For the quarter, gross revenue was $2.9 billion, an 8% decline over the prior year period, roughly a 9% decline on a revenue ex billable basis. Adjusting for the onetime reduction to our provision for claim costs in the second quarter last year, gross revenue was down about 5% year-over-year. Inside of these overall numbers, our market performance was not uniform. Our national security portfolio of defense and intelligence programs continues to grow. For the quarter, this portfolio was up 5% year-over-year, exclusive of the discrete items from the prior fiscal year. And we anticipate this portfolio will grow in mid-single digit range for the full fiscal year. In contrast, revenue in our Civil business was down 22% year-over-year, exclusive of the prior year discrete item. We anticipate that our Civil business revenue will decline in the low 20% range for the full fiscal year. Moving to demand. We had a solid sales quarter, both in volume and in quality, particularly in the context of a complex macro environment. Gross bookings totaled $7.2 billion in the quarter, including 4 awards in our national security portfolio with a value of greater than $800 million. These were partially offset by 2 distinct items: one, a typical in nature and the other consistent with seasonal patterns. In the quarter, we recorded about $1.1 billion in contract ceiling reductions, the majority of which pertained to fiscal year 2028 and beyond. These stemmed from our engagement with the new administration to identify out-year cost reduction opportunities, particularly as we shift to more outcome-based contracting. We believe this is a nonrecurring event, and it has had minimal impact on our run rate on these contracts. Second, about $1.3 billion of backlog expired during the quarter. This reflects the routine expiration of contract ceilings and is in line with historic Q2 levels. As a result, our net bookings for the second quarter were $4.8 billion. This translated to a quarterly book-to-bill ratio of 1.7x and a trailing 12-month book-to-bill of 1.1x. Excluding the out-year ceiling removal, book-to-bill was slightly greater than 2.0x for the quarter and 1.2x for the trailing 12 months. Total backlog at the end of the quarter reached $40 billion, up 3% year-over-year. Funded backlog grew about 34% sequentially to roughly $5 billion but was down 6% year-over-year. At the end of the second quarter, our qualified pipeline for the remainder of FY '26 stood at nearly $25 billion. This is roughly on par with the prior 2 fiscal years. In summary, we continue to see solid demand signals in a market that is bifurcated in the short term. We remain confident that as the macro environment stabilizes and we lean into our proven growth vectors, Booz Allen will be well positioned to return to growth. Pivoting now to headcount. Booz Allen ended the first half with roughly 33,000 employees. Our customer-facing staff was down about 3% sequentially in the quarter and is now down 10% year-over-year. These declines largely reflect lingering effects from contract run rate reductions in our civil business as well as deliberate actions to improve utilization of existing staff. We are running the business efficiently. Our customer-facing staff utilization in the second quarter was meaningfully above the prior year period. Operationally, we continue to align our workforce with our key growth vectors, including accelerating hiring in critical mission and technology areas. We continue to hire aggressively in meaningful portions of our business to support new wins and other growth opportunities. I will now turn to profitability. During the second quarter, we delivered $324 million in adjusted EBITDA, down 11% from the prior year period. This translated to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 11.2%, 40 basis points lower than the same period a year ago. Through the first half of the fiscal year, our adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.9%. We expect margins to decline in the second half of the year due to 3 factors: the timing of contract write-ups and award fees, seasonal spending patterns, and continued mix shift away from [indiscernible]. This will be offset to some degree by the part year impact of our cost restructuring actions as well as our shift to outcome-based sales. Moving down the P&L. Second quarter net income was $175 million, down 55% year-over-year. Adjusted net income was $183 million, down 21% versus the prior year. Diluted earnings per share was down 53% year-over-year to $1.42 per share, and adjusted diluted earnings per share decreased 18% year-over-year to $1.49 per share. The year-over-year declines in diluted earnings per share and ADEPS were driven by 4 factors: lower overall profitability with an unrealized investment gain and tax planning initiatives that benefited the prior year quarter and higher interest expense. These were partially offset by a reduction in share count compared to the prior year period. Transitioning now to the balance sheet. Our balance sheet remains strong and allows us to be proactive and opportunistic in how we allocate capital to create shareholder value. We ended the second quarter with $816 million of cash on hand, net debt of $3.1 billion and a net leverage ratio of 2.5x adjusted EBITDA for the trailing 12 months. Free cash flow for the quarter was $395 million, the result of $421 million of cash from operations plus $26 million of CapEx. Turning to capital deployment. In the quarter, we deployed a total of $279 million to generate value for shareholders. This included $208 million in share repurchases at an average price of $107.15 per share. We repurchased nearly 2% of outstanding shares in the quarter, $68 million in quarterly dividends and $3 million in strategic investments made through Booz Allen ventures. Today, we are pleased to announce that our Board of Directors has approved a quarterly dividend of $0.55 per share, which will be payable on December 2 to stockholders of record as of November 14. Our Board has also approved an increase of $500 million to our share repurchase authorization, bringing our available capacity to approximately $880 million as of September 30. Finally, please turn to Slide 7 for our forward outlook. As we have discussed, our original FY '26 guidance is predicated on a normalization of the funding environment. While funding and awards picked up over the course of the quarter, this pace remained meaningfully slower than in prior years. As a result, our top line and bottom line performance for the second quarter was below our forecast and we are reducing our fiscal year 2026 guidance across all key metrics. We now expect to deliver revenue between $11.3 billion and $11.5 billion. We now expect adjusted EBITDA margins in the mid-10% range. This translates to an adjusted EBITDA dollar range of between $1.19 billion and $1.22 billion. We now expect ADEPS of between $5.45 and $5.65 per share. Lastly, we expect free cash flow to be between $850 million and $950 million. As we forecast our growth cadence for the second half, we now assume that current funding trends will persist through fiscal year-end, and therefore, the on contract and new award growth relative to bookings will remain slower than in years past. Also, at the midpoint, our revised guidance range incorporates the loss of approximately $30 million in revenue and $15 million in profit related to the government shutdown. These estimates assume the shutdown extends through October 31. Although not contemplated in our guidance, if the shutdown does continue for the month of November, we estimate the impact would be roughly within the same range, assuming no material changes in government scope or Booz Allen policy. So to sum up, our market remains bifurcated and funding levels have not normalized as we had hoped. We are disappointed in our results this quarter and that we are lowering guidance across the board. We are winning significant new programs particularly in our national security portfolio, where we are pleased with our growth trajectory. We are taking significant actions immediately to adjust our cost structure and prepare us to reaccelerate growth and profitability. We are doubling down on the key growth sectors where we have real traction in the near term, primarily our differentiated positions in cyber, artificial intelligence, war fighter tech, and critical national security programs. Our focus is on positioning Booz Allen to accelerate performance into next fiscal year and beyond, and we are confident that we will be able to do so. Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Louie DiPalma with William Blair. Louie Dipalma: given the shutdown in your high exposure to the federal civilian agency. Many investors were anticipating a guidance reduction. Horacio and Matt, you both used the term bifurcation several times and you also mentioned how funding in the month of September was actually consistent with last year's September. I'm drilling into that, are you receiving signs and indications that the funding environment for the defense and intel business is actually improving and getting back to normal? Or is this funding environment expected to be strained for your defense and intel business even after the government restarts and the shutdown? Horacio Rozanski: Louis, why don't I start? Thank you for the question. I think the notion of bifurcation is an important one as we look at the business, as we understand the business, I hope you will understand it as well. As I said in the prepared remarks, we see our Civil business operating in the most challenging market in the generation. To give you a sense of what Matt described as a gap in funding, we saw essentially every procurement slide to the right in lockstep and that's not something I have ever seen before. And as we look forward, we're not trying to predict the future as much as react and anticipate what's right in front of us. And so that's how we're thinking about it. By contrast, in our national security business, it's a much stronger environment. There's still friction though. The government shutdown certainly backs things up. If we end up in the continuing resolution environment, how the CR is written will have an impact on this. But as we think about it, we have these very significant wins. We're very happy to share with you this morning about we are not anticipating a very fast ramp-up on those wins. We're anticipating the ramp-up on those, in fact, to be below historical levels. It will ramp up but simply more slowly. And I think that's everything that we are talking to about this morning is predicated on the notion that there's -- that this friction is going to continue, not impede our growth, but continue. Now having said that, I think the key for us, as we're trying to describe this morning is to stay very nimble and to stay very focused. Staying nimble means not trying to predict long term but really trying to anticipate the short -- medium term and react as quickly as we can. Part of the cost actions that Matt described to you are a part of that in both to secure our financials and give us more capacity to both invest and react to pricing more nimbly but also to streamline our operating model so we can make the issues faster and move faster. And the second part is to be very focused. I am personally very excited about what I'm seeing in our cyber business, both in government and commercial our AI capabilities are in greater and greater demand. I think you saw, and hopefully, we're impressed by the war fighting tech day that we hosted last week, which is really becoming a crown jewel in our portfolio, some of this critical national security contracts -- or we support such important missions and do such great work there. And then the partnerships with the tech ecosystem which are really both giving us access to new opportunities that are more commercially focused and enhancing our go-to-market and our capabilities because we can move faster when we build on top of their tech. So when we take it all, obviously, we're not pleased with the results or the near-term guidance lowering, but that's how we see the environment. Louie Dipalma: And for the rest of the year for the civilian guidance of, I think, negative 21%. What is assumed year -- what is assumed there in terms of the government shutdown and further cuts to existing programs? Are you assuming that other programs are throttled or what is baked in the assumptions because investors are -- they want to know whether there's going to be another cut to the federal civilian business and if this is going to be in a perpetual cycle. So what gives you confidence that this is the last guidance reduction for the [indiscernible] civilian business? Matthew Calderone: Yes, I'll start, and then Kristine may want to provide some color as to what's happening in the Civil business. As we said in the prepared remarks, we didn't actually see any actions positive or negative in civil last quarter. So we didn't see any additional cuts. We also didn't see any plus-ups or new awards and new procurements and what have you. So if you look at our civil portfolio, outside of a number of large programs that we've talked about, that portfolio is going to be essentially flat, both at the top and the bottom for the year. I think which just sort of indicates sort of the state of where we are in many of those agencies. But those large programs matter, and that's why we're guiding down to in the low 20% range at the top. So we aren't anticipating any further cuts. We are anticipating a very competitive procurement environment with some pricing pressure, particularly on the large program side. We also are having great conversations with folks in the administration about some of our key priorities. So we've used the word stabilized in civil, and that's what it feels like, but stabilized after a fairly significant run rate on our pretty large programs in an environment where things just aren't moving very quickly. But Kristine, I'm sure you want to chime in there. Kristine Anderson: Thanks, Matt. Yes, the business is stable, as Matt said. The environment itself still continues to be very slow with very few new large bids and not much ramp-up in funding. But I think that reflects the administration's rethinking how they want to prosecute some of those missions. And the work that we do in civil is impressive technically, and it is aligned to the administrative priorities. For example, we have one of the largest Agentic AI software implementations in the world and it's in civil and we're leading in Agentic AI. And we do expect work to grow there again. And we are having lots of productive conversations with the administration leaders on some of -- some new approaches to the core missions where we're bringing commercial solutions and combining it with our IP and IC, their outcome-based commercial offerings that we're talking through. But again, it's just hard to predict exactly when those will launch -- and so as Matt said, we're just assuming the status where we are now continues through the rest of the year, but we do see growth over the medium term. Louie Dipalma: Thanks, Kristine. So was there stabilization in the Civil business from the -- in the September quarter relative to the June quarter? Kristine Anderson: I'd say, yes. Yes, it's been pretty steady since the reductions that we had a while back in the year. Matthew Calderone: Yes. But stable, it means we didn't -- again, there were no new decrements, but we also didn't see some of the on-contract growth in plus ups and typical velocity of tactical selling in Q2 that we would -- that we'd anticipated. Horacio Rozanski: Yes. Louie, when we talk about bifurcation, another way to think about it is if there's upside and downside in -- across all of our business, there always is. I would say, as we sit here right now, maybe a little more downside potential in the civil business, a little more upside potential in the national security business. But as I said before, I mean, the things change very quickly. And we could -- what we're trying to do is, like I said, it's flow of resources, flow investment to where we see the opportunities and not be married to a particular outlook, but rather just ensure that when there is an opportunity to grow, we double down on it. Operator: Our next question come from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Sheila Kahyaoglu: Maybe 2 questions. The first one, a bit shorter term and bigger picture for this next one. So first, I guess, I think you guys have previously talked about the civil portfolio being 13% margins or so, which implies defense and intel is in the 8% to 10% range. Is that still the right way to think about the profitability for [indiscernible] customers? Matthew Calderone: Yes, that's in range, Sheila. We never quantified it that way, but we've talked about how Civil has a significantly higher proportion of fixed-price contracts. So that's roughly in range. Sheila Kahyaoglu: Okay. Got it. And then maybe a bigger picture question, Horacio, for you. How do we think about the business model for Booz longer term, just given pendulums clearly shift and maybe 3 years from now, it will shift back where we're scrubbing our models for national security exposure and saying Civil will grow again double digits? So how do you think about aligning the sales force and the workforce and your management team as you restructure the business a bit? Horacio Rozanski: One of the hallmarks of our operating model is the notion that we operate in a single P&L, and that gives us the ability to respond to the market across any arbitrary lines really fast. We always have. We -- every time, as you point out, an administration transitions, they refocus their priorities. As I said before, this is perhaps one of the most significant or the most significant refocusing that I've seen. But we're going to continue to make sure that we are taking advantage of our broad footprint to go where the opportunities are. The other piece of it is I do believe that because of the way technology has evolved more broadly, this idea of injecting commercial technology into missions, moving to outcome-based as opposed to input base models, and those big trends are going to continue well into the future. They were somewhat underway before. I think there's an accelerant right now as the Trump administration doubles down on a lot of this. But I don't see us going back. And so that's why we've invested so much time, so much effort and resources on building partnerships from the very largest tech companies to small startups with promising technology and everything in between. I think our position in this tech ecosystem I think gives us a long-term edge that we're just beginning to see realized just beginning to exploit. There's a couple of opportunities right here right now that we are chasing. One in civil and a couple of national security, that would be impossible without the strong partnership that we have with some of these companies. And the more people see Booz Allen as somebody who builds tech but also leverages tech that others build to create the right answer, I think the more power we're going to have in the market. Operator: [Operator Instructions] It comes from the line of Colin Canfield with Cantor Fitzgerald. Colin Canfield: So it sounds like the [indiscernible] reduction, Matt suggests there may be a little bit of downside in terms of the cost plus nature of the business. So as we do the building blocks on '27, if we assume Civil's down another, call it, 10% and Defense and Intelligence is accelerated to call it mid-single digit. We think the building blocks probably suggest something like 0% to 2% organic that should notionally accelerate and '28 off of that base. So, a, does that math make sense at a high level; b, fundamentally can you grow next year; and then, c, if not, when do you expect this business to return to growth? Matthew Calderone: Yes. Thanks, Colin. Look, I think a couple of things. One, as we talked about, we had a lot of momentum in our national security portfolio. Two, the Civil business is stable, right? And unfortunately, we saw a significant decline in the first half of this year. But obviously, our comps will get proportionately easier given where we are. I'm not going to get into next year. We got a lot of medium-term optimism. There are some significant building blocks. As Horacio said, the nature of this market is such where things are happening fast. And we've got some exciting opportunities in the fire. So I would not necessarily straight line the math exactly how you did, Colin, but I'm sure we have in this conversation over the next couple of quarters. Horacio Rozanski: The only thing I would add to that is, as we described the growth vectors that we're talking to you about, clearly, the national security market is more robust. And so we'll see those growth vectors play more strongly there. But the number of things we're talking about around cyber, around AI, around some of the tech that we're developing that is highly applicable to border security, to large event security to the upcoming World Cup and so forth, we are looking for opportunities to leverage and grow in the parts of our civil business that are most aligned with the administration's priorities and we're -- we will continue to do that pretty aggressively. Matthew Calderone: Colin, if I could just jump back in here. Two other thoughts for you. One is we are seeing an increasing pace of contract conversion to outcomes based. While small, the portion of our -- our natural security portfolio at fixed price did increase quarter-over-quarter, and that's certainly the direction of travel and in part because of that, but also other dynamics. I do think going forward, our growth will be not as linearly connected to head count growth for a handful of reasons. If I can just give you a couple. The vast majority of our FTE loss this year was in Civil, and that's where we have more of our fixed price contracts. And that revenue is not as "headcount" dependent. Second, we're driving up utilization. And then third, the mix shift that I just described. So I understand we've had a fairly stable business model and that's relatively easy to model for you externally. Those dynamics are changing, consistent with the kind of pace of change that Horacio was talking about, and we'll continue to engage with you over the coming quarters. Colin Canfield: Got it. Got it. So margin trough this year gets better over time and then growth is [indiscernible] is kind of my takeaway. I appreciate that the businesses have managed on a quarter-to-quarter basis, but putting an investor hat on for a bit. As we think about the next quarter, what would you fundamentally tell an investor that wanted to go short again next quarter? And then kind of why are the reasons would you expect that to be a bad idea? Matthew Calderone: [indiscernible] business is giving investment advice Collin. Operator: Our next question is from Mariana Perez Mora with Bank of America. Mariana Perez Mora: When you guys think about the new guidance, I'd appreciate some color around like how much is already in backlog, how much you have to go and like win and is still depending on like some contracts that could be delayed? Like could you give us some kind of like measure of how strong is that backlog coverage and also the pipeline and like if you have like any amount of like how that pipeline appears to a year ago or something? Matthew Calderone: Yes. Mariana, I think we're in the main anticipating that the current sort of burn rates and trends largely persist, that head count remains essentially flat obviously absent the cost reduction initiative that we described. And it's not really based on any significant new wins. But that does require some on-contract growth, do wins to ramp up and a handful of other factors. So we've -- in this current guidance, attempted -- there's not any material things that need to happen for us to land in this range, but it is a volatile situation. Mariana Perez Mora: And you mentioned on contract growth. How is your conversation with your customers right now about like certainty about like them needing that kind of growth or still like there is a lot of uncertainty if that's going to happen or where it's going to trend? Horacio Rozanski: I mean I'll start and I'm sure my colleagues are going to want to add. But we're having very productive conversations, especially in the national security side and especially in these growth vector areas that are talking about. So if you take cyber, for example, we expect ThunderDome, as an example, to continue to grow ThunderDome become really both a standard and a product that everybody wants, and we expect to see some level of growth there. A number of other areas in the national security space are -- we are seeing significant pickup. As Matt pointed out, we have not made any heroic assumptions about that happening in the back half of the year in recognition of the fact that our there is friction in the environment that we're still in the middle of a shutdown and all of that, and we've tried to incorporate that into the way that we're thinking -- on the one hand, on the other hand, we are as aggressive as we've ever been in terms of trying to accelerate past that. So that's sort of the thought process right now. Kristine Anderson: I would add that the administration really wants to push speed in some areas. So those conversations are extremely productive. And so that continues as well. Mariana Perez Mora: So you mentioned cyber, and the expectations were for that portfolio to actually grow like at speed. How large is that right now? And what do you expect for that portfolio? Again, like the near term has been volatile, but in the next like 2 to 3 years? Horacio Rozanski: I am as bullish about our cyber business as I've ever been for a couple of reasons. First of all, we do occupy a unique position in cyber in the national security space, that is both well recognized internally in the government, and it's a real strength of ours. Second, I always talk about convergence. If you think about what's happening in terms of AI and Agentic and how it affects cyber, 3 ways just to name a couple, right? I mean the attack surface has grown because the AI models themselves have grown -- are now becoming in their own attack surface. Second, adversaries are using cyber much more effectively by leveraging AI into it, and therefore, defense needs to move in that direction. And third, we are seeing across the board, interest in us bringing these capabilities, including in our commercial customers that are both under siege by a number of cyber actors and see us and what we do as being a key player in helping them move past that. So I think, unfortunately, cyber risks are everywhere, cyber risks continue to grow. And Booz Allen, I believe, has, in essence, the most powerful -- one of the most powerful cyber businesses in the world. Operator: Our next question comes from Gavin Parsons with UBS. Gavin Parsons: I just wanted to unpack the disconnect between awards and funding a little further, if we could. Is total backlog still a good leading indicator of demand and growth? Horacio Rozanski: Yes. Long term, but I think, obviously, short-term funded backlog matters, right? And our funded backlog -- our funding was down in Q1, 9% year-over-year, in Q2, 3% year-over-year, which nets out to 6% for the first half. So I think it shows the direction of travel, the funding environment has improved, but in no way normalized over the first half. Now there's a lot of noise in there, particularly in the current environment, as Kristine said, we're seeing shorter funding come in shorter increments. It's a little more episodic. So it's not a linear relationship as it used to be. But obviously, 4 words of scale, that's going to drive growth. I think one is a pure recompete, one was a recompete with increased ceiling, one was a new award and one was a takeaway. So again, we are less comfortable that it's going to ramp as quickly as we've seen in the past, and we built that into our guidance, but backlog absolutely matters. Operator: And our last question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer with Truist. Tobey Sommer: Could you discuss your process for determining how much growth investment to allocate and how you balance that against where you were targeting near-term profitability and head count cuts that's sort of a tight rope and there's tension there? And maybe you could discuss how you arrived at your decisions? Horacio Rozanski: I guess I'll start. Look, I mean, as somebody pointed out earlier, we do not manage this company for the quarter. We managed the company for the medium and long term. And we are making the investments that we believe are both prudent in terms of long -- short-term profitability, but important and exciting in terms of long-term growth at both the top and the bottom line. And look, that's always been the case. It is the case now. We're undertaking a difficult decision of doing some significant cost reduction in some ways to ensure that we can both deliver in the short term, really more focused on our FY '27, given where we are in the year, but also so that we have the capacity to stay nimble and invest in the areas where we see the most opportunity. And I think that, that is what's exciting about Booz Allen Hamilton. I mean I can talk to you about things that are growing now. I can talk to you about things that are -- we believe have significant growth potential in the short term, and I can talk to you about the things we are doing like Quantum and like AI-based 6G that I believe will fuel growth in sort of in the third horizon. And so that needs to continue, while at the same time, recognizing that we have work to do in order to drive the short-term financials to where we want it to be. Matthew Calderone: [indiscernible] I mean, we're an interesting spot because obviously, we're disappointed with our performance and our guidance. And as I look inside of our portfolio, there are actually more demand and more opportunities to invest to drive medium- and long-term growth than I remember in a long time because as Kristine and Horacio said, it's an incredibly dynamic environment. This administration wants change. We're seeing significant opportunities, not just in the U.S. government, but even in commercial and with similar allies. And so part of the internal dialogue and part of the reason we're taking these painful actions to free up $150 million worth of cost is precisely because we see these investment opportunities. So we're prioritizing the growth vectors that we've all described, but there's real opportunity here. And that's, in many ways, more of a driver of us taking these cost actions than hitting short-term set of financial results. Tobey Sommer: If I could ask another question on SIML. Amita once in a generation change to the top line and demand. Do you assume that the margin holds because it's relatively unusual for significant sort of TAM changes not to be accompanied by margin compression? Kristine Anderson: Yes, that's a great question. I mean, overall, yes, but there is competition for price that we're expecting because there'll be fewer bids, there will be more bidders, there will be much more aggressive pricing. But that's at the same time that we are able to use a lot more technology to innovate how we deliver, which would still preserve margin. Operator: Thank you. And this concludes our Q&A session for today. I will pass the call back to Horacio Rozanski for concluding comments. Horacio Rozanski: Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I hope this discussion gave you a deeper understanding of the factors that underlie our performance, how we see the market, how quickly we are responding and our reasons for optimism about the future of Booz Allen, which include both our leading position in advanced technologies by how we apply them to critical missions in a way that we build things that work, our agility, our willingness to move fast and our capacity to invest and accelerate our growth vectors. And really, most importantly, the people of Booz Allen and the quality of our team, which continues to be extraordinary and it's a source of optimism for all of us. And so together, we are moving forward, and we want to accelerate both our mission impact and our financial performance, and we are focused on doing so. Thank you again, and have a great day. Operator: And thank you. And this concludes our conference. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.
Operator: Hello, and welcome to the Flagstar Bank NA Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Sal DiMartino, Director of Investor Relations. You may begin. Salvatore DiMartino: Thank you, Sarah, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Flagstar Bank's Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. This morning, our Chairman, President and CEO, Joseph Otting; along with the company's Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Lee Smith, who will discuss our results for the quarter and the outlook. During this call, we will be referring to a presentation which provides additional detail on our quarterly results and operating performance. Both the earnings presentation and the press release can be found on the Investor Relations section of our company website at irflagstar.com. Also, before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that certain comments made today by the management team may include forward-looking statements within the meanings of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements we may make are subject to the safe harbor rules. Please refer to the forward-looking disclaimer and safe harbor language in today's press release and presentation for more information about risks and uncertainties, which may affect us. When discussing our results, we will reference certain non-GAAP measures, which exclude certain items from reported results. Please refer to today's earnings release for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures. And with that, I would now like to turn it to Mr. Otting. Joseph? Joseph Otting: Thank you, Sal, and good morning, everybody, and welcome to our first quarterly earnings as Flagstar NA. We are very pleased with the operating results this quarter. Our third quarter performance provides further tangible evidence that are successfully executing on all our strategic priorities. Our operating results improved significantly throughout the year and during the quarter as many of our key metrics continue to trend positively. From an earnings perspective, our adjusted net loss of $0.07 per diluted share narrowed substantially compared to the second quarter, while our pre-provision net revenue continues to trend higher, putting us on a path to profitability. In addition to the improvement in earnings, we had several other positives during the quarter, highlighted by this was a breakout quarter in our C&I business as we originated $1.7 million in new loan outstandings and realized overall net loan growth of $448 million in the C&I portfolio. Our net interest margin expanded for the third consecutive quarter, up 10 basis points to 1.91% compared to the second quarter. And our operating expenses remained well controlled and were down year-over-year $800 million on an annualized basis, significantly ahead of our plan. Criticized and classified assets continued to decline, down $600 million or 5% on a linked quarter basis and $2.8 billion or 20% year-to-date, while nonaccrual loans were relatively stable. We had another strong quarter of multifamily and CRA payoffs of $1.3 billion, and this has continued the trend over the last couple of quarters where we've been above our forecast on real estate payoffs. And our provision for loan losses decreased 41%, while our net charge-offs declined 38%. Now turning to Slide 3 of the presentation. We have highlighted the key management areas that we have focused on and how we have performed in each category. First, to improve our earnings, we have reported smaller net loss every quarter for the past year due to a combination of factors, including margin expansion and cost reductions. Lee has a slide later on that he'll cover this in detail, but the trend line on this lines up very well with what we've communicated about a return to profitability for the company. Second, we continue to implement our commercial lending and private banking strategy, which I will discuss in more detail shortly. And third, we proactively managed our multi-family and commercial real estate portfolio to continue to reduce our CRE concentration. And fourth, our credit quality profile, which has resulted in net charge-offs as we are starting to see signs of stabilization in the loan portfolio. The next several slides highlight the tremendous progress we've made in our C&I business. Starting on Slide 4, this was a breakout quarter for our C&I lending. Our strategy in the C&I space really began after the June 2024 strategy as we hired Rich Repetto to come in and lead our commercial, private banking and commercial banking strategy. This strategy focuses on 2 primary businesses, specialized industries and corporate and regional commercial banking. Both of those gained momentum in the third quarter, driving C&I loan growth up nearly $450 million or 3% versus the second quarter. This was the first positive growth quarter since early last year. Our 2 strategic focus areas led the growth with total loan growth of $1.1 billion, up 28% compared to the prior quarter. On the next slide, you will see the positive trends in new commitments and new loan originations over the past 5 quarters. Compared to the second quarter, new commitments increased 26% to $2.4 billion, while originations grew 41% to $1.7 billion. More importantly, you can see that the contribution to this growth was from our 2 strategic focus areas was quite impressive. Specialized Industries and corporate and regional commercial banking experienced a 57% or almost a $750 million increase in commitments to $2.1 billion versus the prior quarter. Originations in these 2 areas increased 73% or nearly $600 million to $1.4 billion. Both areas have seen a consistent upward trend since the third quarter of last year, reflecting steady pipeline growth and a high success rate in converting opportunities. Just as important as our C&I pipeline, which currently stands at $1.8 billion on commitments, up 51% compared to the $1.2 billion at this time last quarter, providing strong momentum for the fourth quarter C&I loan growth. Also important is the number of new relationships we've added. Year-to-date, we've added 99 relationships to the bank, including 41 just in the third quarter. I believe these 2 data points reflect the industries we chose to focus on and the talented individuals we brought into the company, most who are mid-career bankers with 25 to 35 years of experience in their respective industries and have impressive Rolodexes. So far in 2025, we have doubled the number of relationship bankers and support staff in our 2 main focus areas to 124 and plan to add another 20 in the fourth quarter. Turning to Slide 6. This provides an overview of our specialized industry business and the growth trends both in commitments and originations over the past 5 quarters. You can see they had strong growth in both commitments and originations during the third quarter. Slide 7 provides a similar overview of the corporate and regional banking business. This business also had a very strong quarter in both total commitments and originations. We believe it has reached an inflection point after successfully building out 4 new segments and reinvigorating legacy businesses, showing that our relationship-based strategy is yielding positive results. We expect to see further growth in the C&I business as existing bankers continue to deepen their banking relationship and the addition of new bankers. Additionally, we see potential opportunities from recent merger activity. Many of these are right in our core markets to selectively add talented bankers as well as winning new business relationships. The next slide lays out the road map we employed to solidifying the balance sheet and reposition the bank for growth. This is a little bit of a down history lane, but we have increased our CET1 capital ratio by nearly 350 basis points, ranking us among the highest, best capitalized regional bank amongst our peers. We also fortified our ECL through a rigorous credit review process where we reviewed virtually every single multi-family and commercial real estate loan. We significantly enhanced our liquidity position and we reduced our reliance on wholesale funding, including flub advances and brokered deposits nearly $20 billion year-over-year, lowering our cost of funds and boosting our net interest margin. And in addition to what the items are identified on this slide, there could be many more. Obviously, our expenses, our deposit costs and our risk governance are other areas that we're heavily focused on. Now turning to Slide 9. You can see the impact on our adjusted EPS from the balance sheet improvements I just talked about on the previous slide. Our adjusted diluted loss per share has consistently and significantly narrowed over the past 5 quarters, including a 50% quarter-over-quarter reduction in the third quarter loss to $0.07. Now with that, I'd like to turn it over to Lee to review our financials. Lee Smith: Thank you, Joseph, and good morning, everyone. During the third quarter, we continued to execute on our strategic vision to make Flagstar 1 of the best-performing regional banks in the country. We achieved net interest margin expansion of 10 basis points quarter-over-quarter, paid off another $2 billion of high-cost brokered deposits as we further reduced our funding costs and continued to demonstrate excellent cost controls, continuing the surgical approach to cost optimization of the last 9 months. Our unadjusted pre-provision net revenue improved by $14 million quarter-over-quarter, while our adjusted pre-provision net revenues improved $6 million versus the second quarter. On the credit side, multi-family and CRE payoffs were again elevated at $1.3 billion, of which 42% was substandard. And criticized and classified loans declined about $600 million or 5% during the quarter and 19% or $2.8 billion on a year-to-date basis. Net charge-offs decreased $44 million and the provision decreased $24 million, both compared to the second quarter. And we ended Q3 with a CET1 capital ratio of 12.45%. As Joseph previously mentioned, we had net C&I loan growth during Q3 of approximately $450 million following the origination of $2.4 billion of new C&I commitments, of which $1.7 billion was funded. We're very pleased with the performance of our C&I businesses. We've surpassed our target of $1.5 billion of funded C&I loans per quarter and believe we can fund $1.75 billion to $2 billion per quarter going forward assuming no change in market conditions. We will also start originating new CRE loans in the fourth quarter that are of high credit quality and geographically diverse. We've also started to experience growth in our health investment residential portfolio, which increased $100 million on a net basis. We're doing exactly what we said we would do, and I want to complement the entire Flagstar team on another successful quarter. Now turning to the slides and specifically Slide 10. This morning, we reported a net loss attributable to common stockholders of $0.11 per diluted share. We had the following notable items in the third quarter. First, we had a $21 million fair value gain on a legacy investment in Figure Technologies following its September IPO. Second, we recorded a $14 million increase in litigation reserves related to the settlement of 2 legacy cyber matters dating back to 2021 and 2022, 1 of which involved a third-party vendor. And third, we had $8 million in severance costs related to FTE reductions. Therefore, on an adjusted basis, after also excluding merger expenses, we reported a net loss of $0.07 per diluted share, significantly better than last quarter and in line with consensus. On Slide 11, we provide our updated forecast through 2027. We tweaked our 2025 noninterest income assumptions resulting in full year 2025 adjusted diluted EPS and in a range of minus $0.36 to minus $0.41 per diluted share. Our guidance for both 2026 and 2027 remains unchanged. One of the highlights this quarter was the double-digit increase in net interest margin. Slide 12 shows the trends in our NIM over the past several quarters which expanded 10 basis points quarter-over-quarter to 1.91% and has now increased for 3 consecutive quarters. In September, our NIM was 1.94% compared to 1.91% for the third quarter, and we expect to see margin improvement going forward, driven by a lower cost of funds as we manage our cost of funding lower lower-yielding multifamily loans paying off a path or if they remain with Flagstar resetting at higher rates, ongoing growth in the C&I and other portfolios and a reduction in nonaccrual loans. Turning to Slide 13. Another highlight this quarter was the decline in noninterest expenses. Our noninterest expenses remained well controlled as they declined another $3 million in the third quarter and are down 30% year-over-year or approximately $800 million on an annualized basis. Slide 14 shows the growth in our capital over the past 5 quarters and the strength of our CET1 ratio. At 12.45%, our CET1 ratio ranks amongst the best relative to our regional bank peers. We will continue to prioritize reinvesting our capital into growing the C&I and other portfolios as we remain focused on diversifying the balance sheet and growing earnings. Slide 15 is our deposit overview. Similar to last quarter, we further deleveraged the balance sheet by paying down $2 billion of brokered deposits at a weighted average cost of 5.08%. Going back to the third quarter of 2024, we have now paid down almost $20 billion of flub advances and brokered deposits. In addition, approximately $5.6 billion of retail CDs matured during the quarter at a weighted average cost of 4.50%. We retained approximately 85% of these CDs and they moved into other CD products that were approximately 30 to 35 basis points lower than the maturing product. In the fourth quarter, we have another $5.4 billion in retail CDs maturing with a weighted average cost of 4.30%. These deleveraging actions, CD maturities and other deposit management strategies have allowed us to reduce deposit costs by 13 basis points quarter-over-quarter and liability costs by 10 basis points. We also saw an increase in interest-bearing deposits of $1.5 billion as a result of increased commercial, private bank and mortgage escrow balances. We continue to actively manage our cost of deposits and are targeting a 55% to 60% deposit beta on all interest-bearing deposits with the Fed rate cuts. Slide 16 shows our multi-family and CRE par payoffs for the quarter, we continued to witness significant par payoffs of approximately $1.3 billion, of which 42% or about $540 million were rated substandard. Approximately $195 million of this quarter's payoffs were multi-family greater than 50% rent regulated. We continue to witness strong market interest for these loans from other banks and from the GSEs. The par payoffs are also leading to a substantial reduction in overall CRE balances and in our CRE concentration ratio. Total CRE balances have declined $9.5 billion or 20% since year-end 2023 to about $38 billion, aiding our strategy to diversify the loan portfolio to a mix of 1/3 CRE, 1/3 C&I and 1/3 consumer. In addition, the payoffs have led to a 95 percentage point decline in the CRE concentration ratio to 407% since year-end 2023. The next slide is an overview of our multi-family portfolio, which has declined 13% or $4.3 billion on a year-over-year basis. Our reserve coverage on the overall multi-family portfolio of 1.83% remains strong and is the highest relative to other multifamily focused lenders in the Northeast. Furthermore, the reserve coverage on those multifamily loans where 50% or more of the units are regulated is 3.05%. Currently, we have about $14.3 billion of multi-family loans that are either resetting or contractually maturing between now and year-end '27, with a weighted average coupon of less than 3.70%. If these loans pay off, we will reinvest the proceeds in our C&I or other portfolios or pay down wholesale borrowings. And if they stay with Flagstar, the reset rate is significantly higher than the existing rate, which provides a NIM benefit. On Slide 18, we've once again provided significant additional information on our New York City multi-family loans where 50% or more units are rent regulated. This tranche of the multi-family portfolio totals $9.6 billion compared to $10 billion last quarter with an occupancy rate of 99% and a current LTV ratio of 70%. Approximately 55% or $5.3 billion of the $9.6 billion are pass rated and the remaining 45% or $4.3 billion are criticized or classified, meaning they are either special mention, substandard or nonaccrual. Of the $4.3 billion, $2 billion are nonaccrual and have already been charged off to 90% of appraisal value, meaning $370 million or 16% has been charged off against these nonaccrual loans. Furthermore, we also have an additional $40 million or 2% of ACL reserves against this nonaccrual population. Of the remaining $2.3 billion that are special mention and substandard loans between reserves and charge-offs, we have 7% or $165 million of loan loss coverage. We believe we're adequately reserved for charged these loans off to the appropriate levels and with excess capital of $1.7 billion before tax we think we're more than covered were there to be any further degradation in this portion of the portfolio. Slide 19 details the ACL coverage by category. The ACL declined $34 million compared to the second quarter to $1.128 billion, a result of lower HFI loan balances and stabilization in property values and borrower financials. The overall ACL coverage ratio, including unfunded commitments was 1.80%, broadly in line with last quarter at 1.81%. On Slide 20, we provide additional details around our asset quality trends. Criticized and classified loans continued to decline, down approximately $600 million compared to the second quarter. On a year-to-date basis, we have made tremendous progress in reducing these loans as they are down $2.8 billion or 19% since the beginning of the year. Our net charge-offs decreased $44 million or 38% compared to the prior quarter to $73 million, and the net charge-off ratio improved 26 basis points to 0.46%. Nonaccrual loans, including those held for sale, were $3.2 billion, relatively stable compared to the prior quarter. I would add that approximately 41% or $1.3 billion of nonaccrual loans are performing. The 1 borrower we moved to nonaccrual status in the first quarter who subsequently filed for bankruptcy remains in the bankruptcy process, but there is an auction in progress that we hope conclude sometime in early 2026, which will allow us to resolve our position sometime during the first half of next year. With respect to the 30- to 89-day delinquencies at quarter end, approximately $274 million of the $535 million were driven by 1 borrower who typically pay subsequent to month end and has done so again. As of October 20, $166 million of their delinquent loans have been brought current. More importantly, after quarter end, we sold approximately $254 million of these borrowers' loans above our book value, thereby reducing our exposure to this borrower. Finally, we continue to review the 2024 annual financial statements for all borrowers. And today, we've completed the review on the majority of them. I'm pleased to report that the vast majority have stayed consistent compared to the prior year, indicating an overall stable trend for our borrowers. We continue to deliver on our strategic plan and are excited about the journey we are on and the value we will create over the next 2 years. With that, I will now turn the call back to Joseph. Joseph Otting: Thanks, Lee. Before moving to Q&A, I'm also happy to share that last Friday, we closed on our holding company reorganization after receiving all necessary regulatory and shareholder approvals. As a result of this reorganization, Flagstar Financial, Inc. was ultimately merged with Flagstar Bank NA, with Flagstar Bank NA as the surviving entity. As I mentioned on last quarter's call, this reorganization simplifies our corporate structure, reduces our regulatory burden and lowers operating expenses by approximately $15 million. As always, we remain extremely focused on executing our strategic plan, including transforming Flagstar into a top-performing regional bank, creating a more customer-centric relationship-based culture and effectively managing risk to drive long-term value. Now we would be happy to answer your questions. Operator, please open the line for questions. Operator: [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Manan Gosalia of Morgan Stanley. Manan Gosalia: So I wanted to focus on the NII guide for the year. If I take the guide for the full year, relative to the progress year-to-date, it implies that NII should be up about 5% to 15% Q-on-Q next quarter. You're making good progress on the C&I loan growth side, NIM has been rising consistently and you should benefit from additional rate cuts from here. But at the same time, earning assets have also been shrinking as you pay down some of those broker deposits. So can you talk about how we should think of each of these spots next quarter and into the first half of next year? Lee Smith: Yes, absolutely, Manan. So first of all, what I would say is in terms of the balance sheet, you'll have noticed that it only declined $500 million in despite us paying off another $2 billion of brokered deposits. And so we think at the end of this year, Q4 will probably be the low point. So the balance sheet will be -- and this is total assets $90 billion to $91 billion. And then we expect the balance sheet to start to grow as we move through 2026. So I think that kind of level sets everything first and foremost. We do expect to see continued NIM expansion as we move forward. And we have multiple levers to do that, as you know. So I mentioned in my prepared remarks, as the multi-family loans continue to pay off or as they continue to hit their reset dates, they have a weighted average coupon that is less than 3.7%. So if they stay with Flagstar, with our sort of pricing reset is 5-year flub plus 300 or prime plus 2.75, and we're staying sort of firm to that. So we get a benefit if they reset and stay with Black Star. If they pay off then we're taking those proceeds and investing them into the C&I growth, or we use them to pay down high-cost either broker deposits or we can pay down flub advances. So that's sort of 1 area. We continue to show excellent growth on the C&I side. What we didn't mention is of the new loan originations in the third quarter, the average spread to sofa on all of those was 242 basis points. So a very, very healthy spread on the new C&I loans that we're bringing on to the balance sheet. And we -- you heard Joseph talk about the pipeline. We think that we continue those growth trajectories going forward. We're also going to start originating new CRE loans going forward. And this won't be rent-regulated New York City loans, we're looking for high quality, geographically diversified CRE loans in other parts of that footprint, the Midwest, California, South Florida, and we're starting to see the mortgage health investment portfolio increase, and we think that will increase further in a lower rate environment. I think we've done a tremendous job managing the cost of our fundings down through paying off those high-cost brokered deposits and flub advances, but we've also reduced core deposit costs without Fed cuts. And with Fed cuts, I mentioned, we expect a 55 to 60 beta, and so that's a focus area on the liability side. And then finally, as we reduce our nonaccrual loans, and we do expect to see a reduction in the fourth quarter, that will also help our NIM. So I know that was a long answer, Manan, but there are a lot of moving parts, as you can see. Manan Gosalia: That was great. That was the detail of that. was looking for. Maybe just a follow-up to your comments on the C&I side. I mean, the originations were clearly really strong this quarter. Can you talk about is this a new -- is this a good run rate for the next few quarters? Should it accelerate from here? And maybe talk about how you're managing risk as you do this because it's a rapid build-out and there is some macro uncertainty out there. Joseph Otting: Yes, sure. Thank you. So actually, our viewpoint is that we will continue to see additional growth beyond what we saw this quarter. We do see somewhere between $1.7 billion billion to $2.2 billion is kind of our run rate going forward per quarter. And I'll recall that a number of the people who have joined the company haven't been here for much over 3 or 6 months. And so most of these people are really getting settled into the bank and generating opportunities for the company. So we kind of think we're an engine that's firing on 3 of the 6 cylinders today and have really an opportunity to get really the whole franchise performing at a higher level in the next couple of quarters. That's in addition to we will add 20 people in the fourth quarter, and we'll add probably somewhere around 100 people in 2026. So we'll continue to add. The strategy there really is to -- we highlighted in the slides, we have a specialized industry strategy where we have 12 verticals. Virtually all the people who are leading those verticals and the people that have joined us are 20- to 35-year bankers. So they come to our company with lots of depth and knowledge in those particular verticals from an expertise perspective. And then from a risk underwriting perspective, we have the line unit embedded in the line is what we call the first line of defense and there are credit products people who sit in the first line who will underwrite and do the due diligence on the company independent of the relationship managers. And then those credits that are recommended based from the first line of defense to the actual credit approvals in the bank. That is a separate function that reports up to our Chief Credit Officer, and then who actually directly reports to me. So we think there are good checks and balances in our process to make sure that we're adhering to our credit standards without significant deviations from underwriting policies. Lee Smith: And Manan, 1 thing I would add, again, just looking at Q3, if you look at the average loan size of the new originations, it was just over $30 million. So as we've said before, we are not taking outsized positions in any 1 name or industry. We're diversified in terms of the size of the positions we're taking. We've said before, our sweet spot is maybe $50 million to $75 million. But in Q3, the average new loan commitment size was a little over $30 million, and that gives us comfort as well. Joseph Otting: And I will leave at a good point. On Slide 4, it does highlight the other businesses like Flagstar Financial and leasing and the MSR lending and a couple of others where actually, we thought the exposures to a number of individual borrowers were too high. And so we brought down in those portfolios significant amounts of high individual company exposure, and that's resulted in some of the declines year-to-date in those portfolios. We do think that will start to stabilize now as we've made our way through those portfolios in 2025. Manan Gosalia: That's great. And just a clarification, the $1.7 billion to $2.2 billion that you mentioned, that's originations, correct? Joseph Otting: That is correct. Operator: The next question comes from Dave Rochester with Cantor. Unknown Analyst: On the $1.7 billion to $2.2 billion that you just talked about in C&I production, when do you think you ultimately hit that? Is that a 1Q timing on that or further into next year? And then given that and the restart of the CRE originations and what you're doing on the resi production front, at what point do you expect total loans will start to grow again next year. And then with the 100 people or so that you're planning on hiring for next year, are there any new verticals contemplated in that? Lee Smith: Yes, so I'll take the first part of your question. So as I mentioned to Manan, we think the low point for the balance sheet will be the fourth quarter and will be sort of between $90 billion and $91 billion. And our expectation is we'll see -- we'll start to see a little bit of balance sheet growth in Q1 of 2026, not a lot, but a little bit. And then it will really start to sort of trend upwards in Q2, Q3 and Q4 of next year. So that's kind of how we think about the balance sheet growth and the inflection point. Unknown Analyst: Got it. So you're also thinking not just assets, but total loans actually stabilizes next quarter. Or no, that's the [indiscernible] and then you go from there stabilization. Lee Smith: That's right. That's exactly right. Yes. Joseph Otting: And then regarding your question on the $2.4 billion and the $1.7 billion, we do expect growth on those numbers both this quarter and going forward. So I mean that number clearly can get north of $2 billion on a pretty consistent basis. Unknown Analyst: That's great. And then just on the elimination of the holding company, I know that, that exempts you from annual stress tests whenever you cross over $100 billion or whatever that threshold is at that point. Any other regulatory relief you get from that as well? I know you save on the cost front, but anything else that you'd point to? Joseph Otting: Yes. I mean in a lot of instances, you have examinations that cover the same thing from the OCC to the Fed. So you eliminate that, you also eliminate a lot of staff interaction with the Fed. So there's also caution you can't exactly quantify but frees up resources in time. So we obviously think it's the right thing to do. And for us, we do not do today nor do -- plan to do non-admitted activities. So it was a logical step for us as an organization. Operator: The next question comes from Ebrahim Poonawala with Bank of America. Ebrahim Poonawala: So I guess, maybe a question around, from an expense standpoint. So you talked about all the hiring over the coming year. When you look at the adjusted expenses, about $450 million in your outlook for next year. It seems like expenses are kind of flatlining at this run rate. Just talk to us in terms of incrementally like what's the cost save opportunity left within the expense base to invest and like the puts and takes around why they could be higher versus lower than what you have forecasted? Lee Smith: Yes. No problem at all, Ebrahim. First of all, again, I want to take the opportunity to complement the entire Flagstar team because as both Joseph and I noted. If you look at the Q3 '24 run rate and the Q3 '25 run rate, that's an $800 million reduction in noninterest expense. And that's a lot of work. It's blood, sweat and tears. But the team has just done an unbelievable job taking that amount of expenses out. As we look forward, you're exactly right. If you look at our sort of existing or current run rate, it's right around $450 million a quarter, which if you look at our guidance, is the top end of the 2026 expense guidance [indiscernible] $1.8 billion. And as we think about further opportunities moving forward, I think they're in 3 sort of areas. One, we think we can continue to reduce FDIC expenses. There's a lot of components to that. We've done a nice job of optimizing the liquidity component with reducing wholesale borrowings and broker deposits, and we'll continue to do that. But there are other measures that come into play as it relates to profitability, asset quality, regulatory relationship. And so we think that on an ongoing basis, we can continue to drive those FDIC expenses down. We also believe we can continue to drive the vendor costs lower. I think we've done a nice job looking at vendor costs over the last 9 months, but I think there's more we can accomplish. And then I think we've got some pretty significant technology projects that are in the works that will be coming to fruition as we move into 2016 and beyond, and that's going to allow us to drive more efficiencies and cost reductions out as well. Joseph Otting: Just to note to Lee's question or comment about technology, we talked about -- we had 6 data centers in the company, 2 for each legacy organization. During last quarter, we reduced that down to 4, and we will ultimately get down to 2 sites. So if you think about running 6 data centers, legacy somewhat outdated old technology and moving towards a new platform that allows us to take out significant costs in that process. Ebrahim Poonawala: Got it. Got it. That's helpful. And I guess maybe just a separate question around all things sort of noninterest-bearing deposits, the balances, seems like they might be stabilizing, and I get it takes time for loan relationships to transfer into core deposits coming on. Just -- but give us a sense of NIB deposit growth from here and just either from a dollar balance or from a percentage of overall mix, how you see that trending? And what's the time line you think between lending relationships coming over from the bankers you brought on to that translating into core depot growth? Lee Smith: Yes, yes. So it does take a little bit of time, and we're seeing some traction. But obviously, as we move forward, we think we'll see a lot more traction. And so as we think of the noninterest-bearing deposit growth, I think it really comes from 3 areas, and you've touched on one. As we bring on all of these new C&I relationships, we certainly want to leverage those relationships to bring on more deposits, including operating accounts ultimately and those noninterest-bearing deposits. We also see growth on the noninterest-bearing deposit side coming from our private bank. As we mentioned on the last call, we've hired Mark [indiscernible] to run the private bank. He has done a nice job of reorganizing the private bank and making sure that all the right product sets are in place. So we look like a real sort of private wealth bank. And so we think that we'll be able to leverage the private bank and those products to drive noninterest-bearing deposits as we move forward. And then obviously, our 360 bank branches, they play an important role in continuing to grow noninterest-bearing deposits with our existing customer base and bringing in new customers as well. So that's how we see the noninterest bearing deposit growth, where it's coming from. Operator: The next question comes from Jared Shaw with Barclays. Jared David Shaw: Maybe starting on the credit side. Should we think that as we move forward and as you see the runoff in multi-family and CRE, maybe the loans that don't run off tend to have the weaker characteristics. So should we expect to see maybe a continued growth in CRE NPLs, but not corresponding growth in provision like we saw this quarter that you feel like those marks are adequate and sufficient? Alessandro DiNello: Yes. I think this -- first of all, we had a really strong reduction of nonperforming loans in the second quarter. This was a little bit more of a flat and we were working, as Lee referenced, on a large portfolio sale. But in the fourth quarter, we currently have -- we have line of sight on reductions of about $400 million of nonperforming loans. That could be as high as $500 million in the fourth quarter. We've also really like dedicated a team now that's focused on our nonperforming loans where they are still paying and that represents roughly 42% to 43% of our nonperforming loans. So we have a high percentage of the nonperforming loans that continue to pay and per the terms and conditions of the note, it's just our analysis of their cash flows that come off of those single source or repayment properties are insufficient. So those borrowers are drawing on cash flow or liquidity to continue to maintain those loans current. So we're really focused, and we do see a downward trend in those NPAs. Just our classifieds were down, our NPAs were virtually flat this quarter, but we do see a trend line of those going down. Lee Smith: Yes. And again, Jared, as you know, when we did the credit review in '24, we were deliberately punitive on ourselves. And the other point I would add to what Joseph mentioned, and I mentioned this in my prepared remarks, you've got 1 borrower that is in bankruptcy that is $500 million of those nonaccrual loans. And as I said, that's moving into an auction process. And so once that moves through the process and concludes, we feel that we'd be able to deal with a large chunk of those nonaccruals in the early part of 2026. That's in addition to the $400 million pipeline that Joseph mentioned. Jared David Shaw: Okay. Okay. Great. So that's -- those are 2 separate components. That's good color. And then as we look at guidance and your comments around assets being the low point in the fourth quarter, what's your -- what should we be thinking about in terms of either total asset growth or total loan growth as we look out for year-end '26 and '27 to tie in to that guidance? Lee Smith: Yes. No problem. So as I mentioned, at the end of '25, we think the balance sheet will be sort of $90 billion to $91 billion. We think that at the end of '26, our balance sheet will be around high $96 billion to sort of high $97 billion, right around that range. And then in '27, we think we get it to about $108 billion, $108 billion, $109 billion. Operator: The next question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Mark Fitzgibbon: I wondered if you could share with us of the $1.7 billion of C&I originations you had in the third quarter, what percentage was participations? And also curious if you had any tricolor or first brand exposure because I did see a little uptick in nonaccruals in the C&I bucket? Joseph Otting: Yes, that was 1 credit. But yes, we're running -- 50% to 60% of our loans are participations. But the difference, I would say, Mark, is the people that are joining the company that are bringing those opportunities, they have direct relationships with management. We have not purchased participations where we are not directly interacting with the management of the company, which is a little bit different than basically have a trading desk and somebody buying loan participations. These are all active relationships that have been ongoing in any of those in our document, we require the relationship manager to do a relationship model of what we expect to get in both fee income and deposits by coming into that relationship. So we have a pretty high standard of what our expectations are, if we're going to get involved in a credit. Lee Smith: Just to confirm, we had no exposure to first brands or Tricolor or any of the other names that have been mentioned this quarter and obviously, we're pleased about that. We've looked at that. We do have a very, very small MDF book. A big portion of that is our MSR lending. So we feel good about that and no exposure to any of the names that have been disclosed previously. Mark Fitzgibbon: Okay. And then just 1 separate question. What is -- I guess I'm curious, what does the note sale market look like today on sort of modestly challenged New York multifamily loans? Is there much depth to that? And where can kind of notes be sold today? Can you give us any kind of sense on that? Lee Smith: I mean, I would -- the way I look at it is, if you -- the noise that has been sort of emerging over the last 3 or 4 months regarding New York City rent regulated, we still had $1.3 billion of par payoffs in Q3, 42% of which was substandard. So rather than looking at no payoffs, I think there's still a lot of demand for this asset class from other lenders and the GSEs as I pointed out earlier. And I think that's good. And I think in a declining interest rate environment, I think you're probably going to see -- for us, you're going to see more par payoffs as well as we move forward. So that's just going to help us get to that diversified balance sheet of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, even more quickly. Operator: The next question comes from Bernard Von Gizycki with Deutsche Bank. Bernard Von Gizycki: Lee, in your prepared remarks, I believe you mentioned that $195 million of the par payoffs of the $1.3 million were regulated over 50%. And I think that total portfolio declined almost $1 billion. Just wondering, were there any asset sales in that particular portfolio? And any updates you can provide on how we should think about the size of this book going forward in the next 6, 12 months? Lee Smith: Yes. Well, I think number one, I think you'll continue to see decline, mainly as a result of the par payoffs that we're seeing each quarter. Joseph mentioned, from a nonaccrual point of view, we do have an active pipeline that is $400 million that we have a line of sight into and hope to close in the fourth quarter. And so that's how I sort of look at the sort of movement in that rent regulated book going forward. And again, the reason we disclose these numbers, Bernie, is we're not seeing any adverse selection. We're seeing par payoffs across the board in every CRE asset class, whether they be market, rent-regulated less than 50% or rent regulated more than 50%. So -- and that is our expectation going forward. We'll continue to see the par payoffs and reductions across all of those multifamily asset classes. Bernard Von Gizycki: Okay. And then maybe tying the payoffs with loan yields. I know they increased 3 basis points second quarter. We've seen that tick up. But just given the paydowns of the nonaccruals that mix shift from multifamily to C&I and now the growth in C&I that should be coming through nicely over the next several quarters, why not -- are you expecting a higher change in the yields? Or are these par payoffs that are coming at higher yields, holding that back a bit? Just want to get a little bit of sense of the expansion on loan yields from here. Lee Smith: Yes. The par payoffs, it's not every -- the par payoffs are not everything below 3.7%. Some are loans that have already reset. So if you look at the blended weighted average coupon of the $1.3 billion that paid off in Q3, it was 5.7%. So it's a blend of low coupon, but also loans that have already reset. And so that's the phenomenon that you're talking about or you see. Joseph Otting: And some of the some of the payoffs also were coming out of some of the legacy C&I businesses, where we're reducing the exposures down in those credits where they're in the LIBOR plus, on average, [ 240 ] range. So some of those payoffs that does have some impact on that. Operator: The next question comes from David Chiaverini with Jefferies. David Chiaverini: So your paydown activity has been very strong past couple of quarters. Any line of sight -- you mentioned about the $400 million in NPLs for the fourth quarter. Any line of sight on total paydown activity anticipated for the fourth quarter? And how much of that could be substandard? Joseph Otting: I think we have expectations for a similar range of $1 billion to $1.3 billion in the fourth quarter. So I would say that's been somewhat unabated, so to speak, of especially in the market of the regulated New York multi-family. Surprisingly, as Lee commented, that continues to be a robust refinance out by the agencies and a couple of the large banks who continue to add to their portfolios. So we don't see any material change. We had originally modeled at the start of the year, somewhere between $700 million and $800 million a quarter, and that just continued to accelerate in the second quarter. Obviously, the third quarter was the strongest at $1.5 billion. But I think those numbers paying somewhere in that range of $1 billion to $1.5 billion in the fourth quarter. David Chiaverini: Great. And then could you refresh us with thoughts on Mamdani and the impact his potential election win could have on provisioning looking out to next year? Joseph Otting: Yes. So his -- one of his stated items was that he would freeze the rent regulated rate increases for 4 years. The first impact of that is the decision would be made mid-next year by the commission on those freezes. So it's probably a little bit delayed. But the way we look at it is we go through that entire portfolio, we received 97% of the financials on that portfolio. And we go through property by property analysis, both of the cash flows and then if the cash flows are insufficient, we do an appraisal on the properties. So we feel like we have a pretty good handle on. It would take -- this year, as Lee commented, we're pretty much through that portfolio. We did not see material changes to it. And that's because I think the really big items that impacted those properties, which was -- a lot of insurance was up 30%, 40%, 50% they had increased labor rates, increased HVAC, we did not see that carry through for continued increases into this year. So I think the way you model that out as you just make the assumption they're going to be flat revenues, and you really need just to understand the expense side because that will make the difference whether these properties are positive on a cash flow basis. Lee Smith: I think a couple of other things I would just add to what Joseph said, I mean rent increases for the next 12 months have just gone into effect. So the 3% for 1 year, 4.50% for 2 years. that runs through September of 2026. But I think what will have a bigger impact on these owners are reductions in interest rates. I think that's going to be a big advantage for them. And again, we said this previously, a lot of these owners have benefited from the 1031 tax rules. So they have low tax basis in these properties as well. Operator: The next question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW. Christopher McGratty: The margin improvement on Slide 11 over the next 2 years roughly 90 to 100 basis points. How much of it is the resolution of credit? Like how much is the margin being suppressed from nonaccruals right now, give a ballpark? Lee Smith: Well, not an example -- but what I would say just to sort of level set is if you sort of -- those nonaccrual loans are obviously doing nothing from an earnings or a capital point of view because they're 150% risk weighted. So you get a release of capital as we reduce them. Even if we put them into a 100% risk-weighted assets, you're going to free up those 50 basis points. But they're not doing anything from an earnings point of view. So if we were to reduce $1 of nonaccruals, even if we were just to put it in cash, you're going to earn, let's just say, 4% on that. And so if we can then use that to invest in C&I and the spreads, as I mentioned earlier, we've got SOFR plus 242 basis points, that will lead to an even bigger improvement. So reducing those nonaccruals is a key part of the strategy. What I would say to you is as we look at 2026, we think we can reduce those nonaccruals by up to $1 billion and $500 million of that, as I say, is tied up in the 1 borrower that's in bankruptcy, and we hope to resolve that in the first part of '26. And then we think we can do another $500 million on top of that throughout the remainder of the year. So that's obviously going to have a big impact on the NIM improvement. But along with all the other points that I pointed out at the beginning of the Q&A, I mean, it's not just nonaccruals. It's the continued resetting of those low coupon multifamily loans. It's growing the C&I book. It's growing other portfolios on the balance sheet. We're starting to originate new CRE loans the mortgage and residential book securities portfolio is an opportunity and then also managing our core deposits and paying off wholesale borrowings. So it all plays a part in that NIM expansion. Christopher McGratty: That's helpful. And then, Joseph, for you, the last 1.5 years have been really about optimizing the balance sheet, capital, liquidity and you're on a great track with expenses, too. What's the conversation going to be like a year from now? Like is it going to shift -- I assume it's going to shift in terms of strategic uses of capital. But any thoughts on capital between growth, buybacks, other strategic options? Joseph Otting: Chris, we really haven't spent time at the Board in discussing that. I think as we get into 2026 and we show significant progress against the nonperforming loans in the overall portfolio, and we get assessment -- a better assessment of how much growth we can create through our business activities, I think that will give the Board the opportunity to sit down midyear and make that assessment of what to do if there is excess capital. But this is a very friendly -- shareholder-friendly board, very focused on earnings and growing the bank and using capital in the most efficient manner. Christopher McGratty: Perfect. And then, Lee, if I could, on the earning asset, the asset discussion. What's the embedded thoughts on the cash levels and the security balances in the next 1 to 2 years? Lee Smith: Yes. So what I would say, Chris, is you're probably going to see an increase in securities in the fourth quarter. We have some excess cash. And I think you'll see our securities balances increase about $1 billion in the fourth quarter of this year. Then I think we probably hold that level of securities as we move through 2026. So -- and then I would imagine that cash is probably in the sort of $7 billion to $8 billion range as we move through 2026. Christopher McGratty: Okay. So to get to those asset totals, its contingent really on the loan growth, continuing the momentum Got it. Lee Smith: That's exactly what's driving the growth on the balance sheet, correct? Operator: The next question comes from Christopher Marinac with Janney. Christopher Marinac: Lee and Joseph, I just want to circle back on deposits from the commercial C&I growth that you obviously had a great quarter. Are there any goals on deposits these next several quarters? I'm thinking more next year than next quarter, but just curious to flesh that out further. Joseph Otting: Yes. So we kind of have -- coming out of the C&I group is roughly about $6 billion of new deposits that will be originated both from the lending relationships, and we also have established a deposit-only group to focus on certain sectors, title, HOA, escrow, some of the conventional insurance industry. We have a group that really focuses on those high deposit categories. So we feel pretty good that we're going to start to see some real strong momentum in the deposit side. Lee Smith: Yes. And I would just add, as well as the $6 billion that Joseph mentioned, we do have sort of $2.5 billion that's tied to the CRE book. And so as we start originating new CRE loans, again, our strategy is about relationship banking. It's not us just giving the balance sheet away. We want to establish much deeper relationships, whether that be through deposits or being able to create fee income opportunities. And so that's the model that we're deploying across all businesses within the bank, not just the C&I piece, but with the private bank and the loans that they're originating, particularly the mortgages. Christopher Marinac: Great. And this is a component again of how an interest margin steps up in the next several quarters, and this is, I guess, a key piece. Lee Smith: Correct because we would expect a lot of these deposits to be noninterest-bearing or low interest deposits because they are tied to the loan. Operator: The next question comes from Anthony Elian with JPMorgan. Anthony Elian: The reduction in nonaccruals you expect in 4Q and through '26, is all of that occurring organically outside of the 1 in auction? Or does that include any asset sales as well? Joseph Otting: Most of it will be organic. Anthony Elian: Okay. And that includes... Go ahead. Go ahead, Lee. Lee Smith: Yes. It's organic, but we deploy a number of strategies. Joseph mentioned but there's work out, some could be through sales. So it's organic, but it's us working the various options and strategies that we can deploy against that nonaccrual book. Joseph Otting: Yes. Our approach in what I think we found is you can sell those pools, you, in today's market, take a sizable discount to move that. And who we sell those to are going to do the same things that we would do, which is pick up the phone and see if we can work something out with the borrower. I'll remind you, in a lot of instances, low 40% of those borrowers have never missed a payment with us. So in their mind, they're performing at the terms and conditions of the loan. So we also have a pretty good track record that when we've sold assets or negotiated our way out of those loans, we've generally had a slight gain on the resolutions of those credits, which I think reflects that for the most part, we have those loans marked pretty close to where we're exiting the transactions. Anthony Elian: And then on credit quality more broadly. I know you mentioned in the prepared remarks you don't have exposure to tricolor or any of the other names that have come up, but I'm curious if you've done any reviews on procedures or policies, particularly on the asset-based lending vertical within specialized industries after the recent credit events that have surfaced over the past several weeks. Lee Smith: Yes. Great question. We have. Obviously, we made sure all -- like I said earlier, all the names that have been in the press recently, we have no exposure. We reviewed our NDFI book, which is about $2.3 billion, $1.1 billion of that is MSR lending, and we lend to the biggest mortgage REITs and originators in the country. We feel good about that. And then on the sort of lender finance side, we're at about $1 billion of commitments, $600 million of which is drawn, and we went through that book, and we feel very good about it as well. So yes, we did a detailed review just given recent events in other parts of the industry. Operator: The next question comes from Matthew Breese with Stephens Inc. Matthew Breese: I wanted to go back to the NIM. What percentage of loans today are pure floating rate? And then second, if you have it, what was the spot cost of deposits either today or at quarter end? Lee Smith: Yes. So the vast -- I would say that when you look at our balance sheet today, the C&I loans are floating. You've got -- I mean, the residential loans that we have are typically 5- or 7- or 10-year arms. So they flow, but only after sort of 5, 7 or 10 years. So you've got a little bit of floating there. So those are kind of the -- obviously, you got cash, you got some of the securities as well. So that's what I would sort of say as it relates to the asset side of the balance sheet. As it relates to our spot rate, we were at -- and I'm just looking at our daily report. So we were at [ $2.82 ] a couple of days ago, Matt. Matthew Breese: Great. I appreciate that. And then the second one, within the updated guidance, there was a change in the tangible book value outlook. It now includes the warrants. What drove that change? And could you help us out with the average diluted versus common share outstanding expectations for the fourth quarter and early 2026? I also think there was some thinking, and I was curious on this as well that you'll be profitable in the fourth quarter. I was curious if that holds up as well? Lee Smith: So that is what's driving it. It's the warrants. So the warrants kick in, in Q4, the share count goes from about 416 million to 480 million and then that carries through in '26 and '27. We've also adjusted the total book value on the guidance slide for the warrants as well. So that's what you see, Matt, exactly right. Matthew Breese: And that will impact average diluted as well as common shares outstanding? Lee Smith: Yes, that's correct. Matthew Breese: Okay. And then on profitability, is the expectation still that you'll be profitable in 4Q? Lee Smith: We expect to be, but there's a lot of moving parts. And I think, again, I'll just point to the progress that we've made quarter-over-quarter for the last few quarters. Operator: The next question comes from David Smith with Truth Securities. David Smith: Technical 1 on capital. After the holdco got consolidated down to the bank, I think there were some preferreds that got moved down. Is there any difference in how those are going to qualify for Tier 1 treatment now? Lee Smith: No. No change at all in how they will qualify. Operator: The next question comes from Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets. Jon Arfstrom: On the CRE pricing, you mentioned earlier, Lee, is that market or acceptable pricing on renewals? Just curious if you're losing deals on pricing? Or is that not really the case? Lee Smith: So I would say, and this is why we're seeing a significant amount of par payoffs that borrowers are able to get better deals at other institutions or the agency. So we've been very rigid in not moving off the 5-year flub plus 300 or prime plus 375. The reason being, as you know, we are overly concentrated in CRE, and we are looking to reduce that concentration. And so I think the reason that you've seen the heightened payoffs that we've experienced is we're being very rigid and sticking to that sort of knitting. And I think other lenders are leaning into the space and those borrowers are able to get better deals than what I just mentioned, and that's what's driving the par payoffs. And we're okay with that because, again, we're trying to reduce our exposure to CRE and multifamily and get to that diversified balance sheet structure. Jon Arfstrom: Okay. Good. I appreciate that. And then, Joseph, for you, maybe kind of a simple question. But when I look at the credit stats, they're kind of flat to down. And I know it's not linear, but in your mind, is there anything new in the legacy credit book relative to a quarter ago? Or is it basically you know where the issues are and it's just timing for these numbers to fall? Joseph Otting: Yes. There's nothing new. We obviously went through the entire multi-family portfolio again. And we laid out on Slide 18, really where the perceived risk is in the bank, which is in that greater than 50% regulated. So I think this is more -- the train is on the tracks. It's our responsibility to clean up the credit problems, and I think we're on a really structured path to get that done. Operator: This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'll turn the call to Mr. Otting for closing remarks. Joseph Otting: Well, thank you, everybody, and I'd like to personally thank our Board and especially our Lead Director, Secretary Steven Mnuchin. The work and commitment has been really important. And the leadership team at the bank has really valued the Board I think maybe over the last 12 to 15 months, we probably set a record for Board and committee meetings and in a bank. And it really shows in the results. I'd also like to thank the executive leadership team of the bank and the women and men of the company. We really are focused on building a great company. And I thank you for all your work, dedication to the bank and very much important to our customers. And then as a final note, I'd like to thank the Federal Reserve and especially Mona Johnson and her team. While we no longer be regulated by the Fed, she was a source of knowledge and assistance as we navigated our challenges. So thank very much appreciate Mona and the Fed team who helped us. So thank you again for taking the time to join us this morning and your interest in Flagstar Bank. Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.
Operator: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Hilltop Holdings Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that this call is being recorded today, Friday, October 24, 2025. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Dunn. Please go ahead. Matthew Dunn: Thank you. Before we get started, please note that certain statements during today's presentation that are not statements of historical fact, including statements concerning such items as our outlook, business strategy, future plans, financial condition, credit risks and trends in credit allowance for credit losses, liquidity and sources of funding, funding costs, dividends, stock repurchases, subsequent events and impacts of interest rate changes as well as such other items referenced in the purpose of our presentation are forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations concerning future events that, by their nature, are subject to risks and uncertainties. Our actual results, capital, liquidity and financial condition may differ materially from these statements due to a variety of factors, including the precautionary statements referenced in the preface of our presentation and those included in our most recent annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC. Please note that the information presented is preliminary and based upon data available at this time. Except to the extent required by law, we expressly disclaim any obligation to update earlier statements as a result of new information. Additionally, this presentation includes certain non-GAAP measures, including tangible common equity and tangible book value per share. A reconciliation of these measures to the nearest GAAP measure may be found in the appendix to this presentation, which is posted on our website at ir.hilltop.com. I will now turn the presentation over to Jeremy Ford. Jeremy Ford: Thank you, Matt, and good morning. For the third quarter, Hilltop reported net income of approximately $46 million or $0.74 per diluted share. Return on average assets for the period was 1.2% and return on average equity was 8.35%. To summarize the quarter, PlainsCapital Bank realized a continued expansion in net interest margin, while generating strong growth in both core loan and deposit balances. PrimeLending's results reflect a dampened summer home buying markets where both volumes and margins remained under pressure, and HilltopSecurities produced a strong pretax margin from robust net revenue growth across all 4 of its business lines. Speaking to the results of each operating business in the third quarter. PlainsCapital Bank generated $55 million of pretax income on $12.6 billion of average assets, which resulted in a return on average assets of 1.34%. Net interest margin at the bank increased by 7 basis points as we continue to actively manage down the cost of interest-bearing deposits. Loan yields at the bank increased 4 basis points on a linked-quarter basis as the portfolio further repriced into a higher rate environment. Despite the highly competitive market in Texas, the bank produced strong core loan growth and saw a continued expansion within the loan pipeline. We expect competition to remain elevated in the coming quarters as we work to increase our market share and absorb modestly higher anticipated payoffs within the loan portfolio. Total core deposits within our markets at PlainsCapital increased by 6% on a linked-quarter basis. This growth was partially attributable to seasonal cash inflows from select large balance customers. Further, PlainsCapital did return $225 million of broker-dealer suite deposits during the quarter. Results in the quarter included a $2.6 million reversal of credit losses. This was primarily driven by improvement in asset quality and stronger underlying economic conditions on the collective portfolio. Will is going to provide further commentary on credit in his prepared remarks. Overall, the bank showed continued healthy trends in loan growth and pipeline development, core deposit growth and interest expense management and credit metrics that illustrate the quality of our loan portfolio. Moving to PrimeLending, where the company reported a pretax loss of $7 million during the quarter. The second quarter's subdued mortgage origination volumes persisted into the third quarter as the industry did not experience the increase in home buying activity that typically occurs during the summer months. Notably, existing home sales across the country reached their lowest level in over 30 years. While gain on sale margins did increase on a linked quarter basis, this was more than offset by a decline in origination fees. However, there were positive developments from the quarter as mortgage rates did modestly subside and home inventory saw a further reversion back towards more normalized levels. Homebuyers do continue to face affordability challenges, and we expect heightened competition for mortgage origination volume to keep margins and fee under pressure. As we enter the seasonally slower fourth and first quarters of the year, we will continue to focus on reducing fixed expenses, while recruiting talented mortgage originators in order to restore stand-alone profitability at PrimeLending. During the quarter, HilltopSecurities generated pretax income of $26.5 million on net revenues of $144.5 million for a pretax margin of 18%. Speaking to the business lines at HilltopSecurities. Public Finance Services produced a 28% year-over-year increase in net revenues as the business continued to realize strong annual increases in both advisory and underwriting fees. Structured finance net revenues increased by $4 million from the third quarter of 2024, primarily due to a decline in market rates, which increased buy-side appetite for call-protected mortgage product. In Wealth Management, net revenues increased by $7 million to $50 million, when compared to the third quarter of 2024. The strong year-over-year increase is due to higher advisory and transaction fee revenue within the Retail segment, and an increase in stock loan revenues due to wider spreads. Finally, the fixed income business showed a 13% increase in net revenues on a year-over-year basis as industry volumes remained robust within its municipal products segment. Overall, HilltopSecurities produced a very strong quarter for both the breadth and depth of offerings within the broker-dealer performed well. HilltopSecurities continues to invest in core areas of expertise as we leverage our national brand that is built on trust and a long-term focus on serving our clients. Moving to Page 4. We Hilltop maintained strong capital levels with a common equity Tier 1 capital ratio of 20%. Additionally, tangible book value per share increased over the prior quarter by $0.67 to $31.23. During the period, we returned $11 million to stockholders through dividends and repurchased $55 million in shares. Now I'd like to give a brief update on an important transition of the bank's leadership team. In November, PlainsCapital Bank's Chief Credit Officer, Darrell Adams, plans to retire. Darrell has been with the bank for over 37 years and his leadership has created the credit culture that we have today. I want to thank Darrell for his partnership and his friendship as well his incredible contribution. Fortunately, the bank has strong depth, so we promoted Brent Randall to become our new Chief Credit Officer. Brent has been with the bank for over 26 years, formerly serving as the Dallas region Chairman. Coinciding with this transition, Thomas Ricks, who has been with the bank for over 22 years, will become the new Dallas Region Chairman. This is an exciting time for PlainsCapital Bank as we elevate proven leaders from within. With a solid team in place, we believe that we are poised for continued growth and success, while staying true to the bank's legacy and credit culture. Thank you. I'll now turn the presentation over to Will to discuss our financials in more detail. William Furr: Thank you, Jeremy. I'll start on Page 5. As Jeremy noted, for the third quarter of 2025, Hilltop reported consolidated income attributable to common stockholders of $45.8 million, equating to $0.74 per diluted share. Quarter's results, including an increase in net interest income, supported by growth in commercial loans and the ongoing work to optimize our deposit cost as the Federal Reserve has continued lowering short-term interest rates. In addition, the quarter includes a $2.5 million reversal of provision for credit losses and a $1.3 million reduction in the allowance for unfunded reserves, which is reflected in other noninterest expenses. To discuss the allowance in more detail, I'm moving to Page 6. Hilltop's allowance for credit losses declined during the quarter by $2.8 million to $95 million, resulting in a coverage ratio of ACL to loans HFI of 1.16%. As is noted in the graph, specific reserves increased in the period by $4.7 million. This increase was offset by an improvement of $5.2 million in the collective reserves, reflecting ongoing upgrades in our portfolio, and a $2 million improvement in the economic scenario outlook, which reflects Moody's September baseline scenario. While we recognize there's been a flurry of recent credit news in the marketplace. We continue to monitor the portfolio closely, focusing on areas that we believe may pose future risks to the bank. While at any point, we could have an idiosyncratic event with an existing client, we do not anticipate any significant systemic risk across the portfolio at this time. In addition, we have evaluated our loans to nondepository financial institutions, and those totaled $195 million or approximately 2.4% of the outstanding loans HFI, excluding loans in our mortgage warehouse lending business at September 30. Lastly, as we've stated over time, the allowance for credit losses, estimates can be volatile as the computations and assessment include but are not limited to the following: assumptions related to economic activity, inflation, interest rates, employment levels and specific credit activities within our portfolio. All of these can be volatile from period-to-period. Turning to Page 7. We Net interest income in the third quarter equated to $112 million, including approximately $600,000 of purchase accounting accretion versus the prior year third quarter net interest income increased by $7.4 million or 7%, primarily driven by improving deposit costs resulting from our ability to realize higher deposit beta levels than previously estimated, coupled with the growth in new higher-yielding commercial loans. During the third quarter, net interest margin increased versus the second quarter of 2025 by 5 basis points to 306 basis points. The increase in NIM was largely driven by stability in deposit costs from period to period and improving loan yields, reflecting the positive impact of new business booked throughout the first 3 quarters of 2025 and improving margin lending yields at HilltopSecurities. Our current internal rate outlook anticipates 1 additional 25 basis point rate cut in 2025 and followed by 2 additional rate reductions in the first half of 2026. Under this rate scenario, we expect that NII levels will remain relatively stable over the coming quarters with modest downward pressure during the seasonally weaker mortgage reduction period that typically occurs in the first quarter of 2026. Additionally, we anticipate that interest-bearing deposit betas, which have averaged approximately 70% through the current rate cycle will gradually decline, but remain above 60% for the duration of the cycle assuming rate reductions align with our current projections. Turning to Page 8. Third quarter average total deposits are approximately $10.5 billion, stable with prior year levels. I would note that while average deposit balances are flat year-over-year, we have intentionally reduced broker-dealer sweep deposits held at the bank, as they can be deployed through HilltopSecurities broader suite program. These suite deposits do remain a valuable source of continued liquidity for Hilltop should the need arise. Over the last year, we have grown bank customer deposits, principally in the interest-bearing products by focusing on providing consistent and competitive prices. In addition, we're very pleased with the retention of our noninterest-bearing deposits over the last year, and the work in our treasury services team continues to do to serve our customers and support the growth in our customer deposit base each day. Related to deposit rates, both interest-bearing deposit costs and the cost of total deposits remained relatively stable versus the second quarter 2025 levels. We do expect the deposit rates will decline further as the timing of the most recent rate reduction caused the rate movements to be executed late in the third quarter. I'm moving to Page 9. Total noninterest income for the third quarter of 2025 equated to $218 million versus the same period in the prior year, mortgage revenues declined by $3.4 million as origination volumes were relatively stable with the prior year, and gain on sale margins for those loans sold to third parties improved by 8 basis points to 226 basis points. While we believe revenues and production from the Mortgage segment have begun to stabilize at this lower level, we also feel that it remains important to note the ongoing challenges in mortgage banking provide a combination of higher interest rates, home prices, insurance and taxes remain constructive to overall market demand. That said, even in the face of these challenges, we do believe that the overall mortgage market is slowly improving, and we expect that this improvement could continue into 2026. That in, the leadership team at PrimeLending is focused on continuing to optimize costs and productivity across the [indiscernible] back office functions, growing our client-facing sales team across the country and optimizing our pricing to support profitable growth in the future. Securities and investment advisory fees largely represented at HilltopSecurities experienced solid growth versus the prior year period. Driving the growth was significant improvement from public finance, whereby net revenues increased by $8.3 million and growth in Structured Finance and Wealth Management, in which each business grew net revenues by approximately $5 million versus the third quarter of 2024. Structured Finance benefited from improved secondary margins, while Wealth Management has experienced consistent AUM growth over the last year. Turning to Page 10. Noninterest expenses increased from the same period in the prior year by $7.6 million to $272 million. The increase in expenses versus the prior year third quarter was driven by increases in variable compensation, largely related to higher noninterest revenue production at the broker dealer. Looking forward, we expect that expenses other than variable compensation will remain relatively stable at current levels as we remain diligently focused on prudent growth of revenue producers, while continuing to gain efficiencies across our middle and back office functions. We are on the Page 11. Third quarter average HFI loans equated to $8.1 billion. On a period-ending basis, HFI loans increased versus the second quarter 2025 by $166 million, driven largely by new origination volume and the funding of prior commitments in commercial real estate. On an ending balance basis, loans have grown versus the third quarter of 2024 by $248 million or 3.1%, again, largely driven by growth across our commercial real estate products of 8% or $338 million. In addition, commercial lending pipelines continue to expand during the third quarter, increasing by over $750 million versus the second quarter of 2025. While this remains a positive trend, the market for funded loans remains intense with competitive pressures coming from both pricing and structure. In the face of this competition, our leadership team remains diligent in maintaining our conservative credit culture and adhering to our credit policies. Based on performance year-to-date, coupled with our current pipeline and expectation for payoffs during the fourth quarter, we expect full year average total loans to increase 0% to 2% from 2024 levels, excluding mortgage warehouse lending and any retained mortgages from PrimeLending. Turning to Page 12. Starting in the upper right chart, NPA levels have declined from the second quarter of 2025 by $5.3 million to $76.5 million and continues to reflect generally positive trends in our held-for-investment loan portfolio. Moving to the bottom left chart. Net charge-offs for the quarter equated to $282,000 or 1 basis point of the overall loan portfolio. As I remarked earlier, we do not anticipate any systemic exposures across our portfolio. We remain vigilant in our assessment of risk and negative credit migration and are focused on early detection and aggressive workout when necessary. As is shown in the graph at the bottom right of the page, the allowance for credit loss coverage at the bank ended the third quarter at 1.2%, including mortgage warehouse lending. I'm moving to Page 13. As we move into the fourth quarter of 2025, there continues to be a lot of uncertainty in the market regarding interest rates, inflation and the overall health of the economy. Given these uncertainties, we remain focused on controlling what we can, produce quality outcomes for our clients, associates and the communities we serve. As is noted in the table, our current outlook for 2025 reflects our current assessment of the economy and the markets where we participate. Further, as the market changes, and we adjust our business to respond, we will provide updates to our outlook on our future quarterly calls. Operator, that concludes our prepared comments, and we'll turn the call back to you for the Q&A section of the call. Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Michael Rose, Raymond James. Michael Rose: Well, just wanted to start on the NII guide. I was a little surprised to see that it wasn't increased because it would imply, I think, a pretty decent step down in margin in the fourth quarter and maybe some earning asset contraction. Maybe if you could just kind of discuss the near-term puts and takes and if I'm missing anything? William Furr: Thanks for the question. A few things going on. We are and remain asset-sensitive on the balance sheet, certainly from an NII perspective and as we noted, we do have additional -- an additional rate cut in the fourth quarter expected. Also, we are -- we've kind of gone through our balanced outlook, and we didn't increase our overall loan growth profile, either largely based on, again, what we're seeing in terms of production, but also what we're expecting in terms of paydowns. So that's part of it. The other part that kind of comes into play there is when we do get a Federal Reserve rate reduction, we have the immediate step-down impact of both our cash level balances, which will remain well over $1 billion as well as the adjustable rate loan portfolio. So that step occurs almost immediately, while again, the deposit beta activity and reductions blend [indiscernible] in over time just as we saw here during the third quarter. So those are all the factors that we have in place. We also -- we're currently at an interesting spot from a loan yield perspective, where we've got a pool of loans that are resetting higher. We've got from -- that were originated at different points earlier years earlier. We also have loans that are -- that, as I just noted, would reset lower from a variable rate comp perspective given a rate reduction. And then we've got new business going on. Our new business, our commercial loans going on the books right now are at about 690 basis points overall total loans. And so we continue to feel good about that. But again, the guide really reflects a confluence of a series of inputs as we evaluate the portfolio going into the balance of the year. Michael Rose: Okay. That's helpful. I appreciate that color. And then maybe just as a follow-up. You guys bought back more stock this quarter than I think we've really seen outside of some of the accelerated programs you guys have -- some of the tender offers you guys have done in the past, and I know you raised the buyback potential. Are you trying to signal that buybacks are going to be more leaned into a little bit more here? I mean, it would make sense given where the stock is trading and how much capital you have. And then separately, Jeremy, if you can just discuss kind of the M&A outlook for you guys. We've seen a couple of deals here in Texas as of late. I know you guys look at a lot of things. So would just love an update on both those areas. Jeremy Ford: Okay. Thanks. So yes, I think that's correct. From where we're trading right now and given our excess capital position, we are trying to be more consistent with our share repurchases. And so that's why we have done what we've done this year, which we're happy about and also why we've asked for the increase in authorization. On the M&A front, we've really seen, as everybody knows, a lot of out-of-market entrants into Texas, which seems to be a targeted growth state for a lot of banks. And certainly, we're familiar with most of the targets. I would say that we're viewing this as where can we find the opportunity in this dislocation both in clients and bankers and how do we use this as a means for us to be able to grow. Michael Rose: Okay. Helpful. Maybe just one last one for me. I know your auto portfolio is in rundown mobile, we have seen some issues in that sector. So I just wanted to address that, and I believe you guys recently showed up in intercredit that was publicized as well as having some exposure. So I would just love any thoughts or color there. William Furr: Yes. I think your point is appropriate for the auto financing. We ended the year '21 and about $290 million of commitments. That's down to $77 million. So to your point, we've been working our way through that portfolio. As we've noted, really almost 18 months ago, we did have 2 auto note clients that we moved into nonaccrual and we've been aggressively working with those customers to kind of recoup and repay over time and again, continue that workout effort to today. So we feel like we saw some of the implications early, and we were able to kind of get on top of those. And so nothing else to report in kind of any additional incremental exposure there as it relates -- as it relates to the one -- the name you're referring to there were showed up in a press release there. I think we would say we've got no direct exposure lending exposure to that entity. Michael Rose: Okay. Great. Operator: Our next question comes from Woody Lay, KBW. Wood Lay: Just as a quick follow-up on the auto and maybe specifically those 2 relationships on nonaccrual. Is there any exposure to subprime auto there? William Furr: I mean they are -- yes, in the regard of kind of the nature of some of the notes that our loans [indiscernible] for certain there's certainly some subprime exposure there. But again, through our workout program and through our oversight, we're kind of monitoring that very closely. So we feel like we've got it appropriately reserved and appropriately being managed on a daily basis. Wood Lay: Got it. Okay. And then maybe shifting over to the broker dealer was a really good fee income quarter there. I think if you look at the broker dealer guidance, it implies those fees sort of taking a step back to the -- to the first quarter, second quarter level. So I could maybe just go into a little more detail on what drove those fees higher in the third quarter and maybe not -- maybe what was sort of a, a one-quarter benefit? William Furr: Yes. I mean I think we saw very solid activity in our public finance space year-on-year and have continued to see that. And we also are seeing some improvement in structured finance as well as wealth management. So there's -- I'd say there is some recurring nature, but also some episodic items in there that we wouldn't expect necessarily to continue. In addition with the rate reductions we're seeing, we've talked about this in the past. We are expecting to see over time, overall sweep revenues from those excess sweep deposits to kind of come down. So we're modeling that and monitoring that as well. as well as the pipelines and just business activity we're seeing in the portfolio. So nothing systemic there to say it's going to meaningfully decline. But the third quarter was a very strong quarter across really all portions of the broker-dealer, which as you've seen and as investors have seen over time. Generally, you have 1 or 2 of the business units there, perform well and then others maybe not quite as strong, but third quarter really reflected the strength of kind of the business hitting on all cylinders. Wood Lay: Yes. And then it looks like in that business, the efficiency ratio was lower than what it has been in the past couple of quarters. Are any of those expenses getting pushed out in the fourth quarter, or -- was it just lower efficiency businesses driving some of that fee growth? William Furr: Yes, largely mix. So the pretax margin was 18.3% in the quarter, that's up from 13.7% in the prior year. And again, the mix of where some of the business gets done and certainly Hilltop Securities can meaningfully impact pretax margin on a quarterly basis. And so again, all the businesses really had strong performance, but we can see and expect to see a reversion back to -- I think we've talked about low teens 12% to 13% kind of pretax margins is a more normal level for that business to operate. Jeremy Ford: And I agree with Will. I would just say the efficiency also is coming through with just higher revenue. So our noncomp expense was relatively flat, a little bit better. I feel really positive about our public finance business. That's the mainstay of HilltopSecurities and a lot of work, great team. They've had a really strong year in our municipal advisory business, which has been strong, and we think it will be strong into 2026. And we have a really comprehensive approach in public finance because they have a really strong underwriting team that did have a really good quarter. And then we have a lot of spoke products, including asset management, that was additive. So everything really came together there. Another point I'd make, and it's kind of been consistent is -- our Wealth Management business is much improved over several years. And really, the increase year-over-year is due to fees and advisory fees and the work we've done on advisory level and not just related to the sweep revenue. So we feel positive about that. Wood Lay: All right. That's really helpful color. Operator: Our next question comes from Jordan Ghent, Stephens. Jordan Ghent: I just had one question kind of about the broker-dealer. Could you maybe remind us about the primary and secondary effects from the government shutdown that it might have on broker-dealer and all the business line items? William Furr: Yes. Jeremy Ford: I think like as far as the broker-dealer is concerned, we haven't had any primary effects of the government shutdown and anything of that nature. As far as government shutdown just across the board, we were concerned about some of the SBA processing. But other than that, really, I don't know of anything else that's risen to -- our attention. William Furr: I think that's right. I mean we've got also in the mortgage space, USDA and some of the other agencies there, government agencies that are being impacted, whether it be lower staffing or no staffing at the point. So -- that's just a processing implication and slowing down and processing as it relates to kind of mortgages, SBA and some of those other groups. But to be clear, our public finance group really focuses on local municipalities not kind of the federal government in that regard. Operator: There are no further questions. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
Linda Palsson: Good morning, everyone, and warm welcome to our presentation of Afry's Q3 results. I will begin with some of the highlights from the quarter, and then our CFO, Bo Sandstrom, will provide a more detailed overview of the financials. So in the third quarter, we delivered stable results and improved our EBITA margin to 6.4%. We also saw a positive development of the order backlog, which increased 3.6% compared to the same period last year, or 5.3% when adjusted for currency effects. We achieved this despite a decline in net sales with a total year-over-year growth of minus 5.1%. Similar to what we saw in the second quarter, currency effect had a significant negative impact on sales. For Q3, it amounted to minus SEK 118 million. Sales volumes were also impacted by a challenging market we experienced in parts of our business, mainly in our global division Industry. The third quarter was also the first within our new group structure and our three global divisions. Under the new group structure, we have intensified our efforts to improve utilization and to structurally address the cost base. As part of this, we have continued executing on the restructuring agenda that we initiated during the second quarter. And for the third quarter, we report restructuring costs of SEK 31 million related to this, and they are classified as item affecting comparability. So to summarize, I can conclude that we have been able to deliver stable results despite a decline in net sales, and we continue our efforts to pave the way for profitable growth. Moving on then to the market, and let's start with Energy. We see a continued strong long-term demand across segments and on a global scale. Market activity is particularly high in areas such as transmission and distribution, hydro, and nuclear. At the same time, we are seeing some short-term regional variations. This is evident in areas such as thermal, solar, and wind power, where, for example, demand in the Nordics is currently somewhat slower. With that said, this kind of variations are expected over time for a growing and dynamic sector like the energy sector. For Global Division Industry, the demand remains mixed. We see that persistent global uncertainty continues to impact the overall investment sentiment in several segments. For example, in the Pulp and Paper, where the demand for new large-scale projects remains at low level. The slowdown in the Nordic industrial market is also impacted in the automotive segment. At the same time, we see strong market opportunities in areas such as defense and also within mining and metals, which is encouraging to see. And finally, in Transportation and Places, public investments in transport infrastructure and water remains at good levels across the regions. The investments are driven by large-scale infrastructure programs and increasing focus on climate and defense-related projects. At the same time, we see that demand in the Nordic real estate market remains at low level and is mainly driven by refurbishments and public investments. So now let's dive a bit into our new global divisions and their performance in the quarter, starting with Energy. We continue to see high project activity in several of our segments, which reflects the overall market that we experience in Energy. We report negative total sales growth in the quarter, which is impacted by significant currency effects of minus SEK 45 million as well as short-term regional variations in some segments. We keep profitability at a solid level of 9.8%, which is slightly lower than last year. Moving on to our Global Division Industry, a challenging market reflects the net sales development in some of our segments. Despite this, profitability improved year-over-year, and this is due to the ongoing capacity adjustments and the improved utilization in the quarter. In the second quarter, we announced the acquisition of Reta Engineering, a Brazilian company specializing in project and construction management services with a strong foothold in the mining and metal sectors. And in the third quarter, we completed the acquisition, and the numbers are consolidated into the Industry division as of September 1st. And finally, Transportation and Places. Here, we saw some sales growth in the quarter, which was driven by high activity in projects as well as improved attendance rates. Also on the EBITDA side, we continue to see positive development, driven by the continuous efficiency measures that we do in the division. I would also like to highlight some of our key project wins in this quarter. In the Mining and Metals segments, we were selected by the British mining company, Anglo American, to lead the pre-feasibility study for the Sakatti mining project in Finland. The mine is planned as a highly automated underground operation with low carbon footprint. And once operational, the mine will supply critical minerals that are essential for Europe's green transition. And Afry's strong expertise in sustainable engineering makes this a great fit. On the Energy side, we have signed a strategic framework agreement with Svenska Kraftnät, Sweden's national grid operator. This is the second of two recently announced agreements and covers technical consultancy and design planning services within transmission and distribution, which will strengthen Sweden's energy system. Svenska Kraftnät is one of our key clients in the Swedish energy market, and we are pleased to strengthen our partnership with them through these agreements. In Denmark, we have won a contract in the Road and Rail segment, covering comprehensive advisory services in intelligent traffic systems, traffic management, and emergency preparedness. With Afry's extensive experience in traffic engineering, this project is a great opportunity to deliver innovative and effective solutions that improve road user safety and mobility. And with these great projects, I would like to hand over to you Bo. Bo Sandstrom: Thank you, Linda. So I will cover the financials for Q3 2025. Quarter three showed net sales of SEK 5.7 billion and EBITDA, excluding IAC of SEK 362 million. On rolling 12 months, we are now at SEK 26.2 billion on net sales and remain right below SEK 1.9 billion on EBITDA. On the rolling 12 months development compared to 12 months ago, we carry significant negative currency and calendar effects, explaining approximately SEK 600 million on net sales and SEK 240 million on EBITDA. In Q3, with a net sales of SEK 5.7 billion, adjusted organic growth came in at negative 3.7%, where volume continued to be pressured by capacity adjustments during the last quarters. As previously, the decline in volume was partially compensated by positive pricing. For Q3, we continue to see higher average fees, although at a somewhat lower level than the last number of quarters. Total growth is reported at minus 5.1%, affected also by FX movement from a strengthened SEK compared to last year. The negative adjusted organic growth in Q3 was sequentially lower, and global divisions, Energy and Industry, both saw lower growth levels. In particular, Industry experienced a challenging market and continued capacity adjustments pressure growth rates. In Q3, Industry also saw show lower sales of material than last year, affecting the quarterly growth. Transportation & Places showed sequential improvement, mainly driven from the Road and Rail segment. The order backlog continued to develop favorably and is reported at SEK 20.4 billion, improving to last year, but somewhat lower sequentially. Currency adjusted, the backlog has improved 5.3% to last year with improvements primarily from Global Division Industry. The Energy division maintained the largest order backlog in relation to net sales at a level in line with last year, but improving 3.7% adjusted for currency effects. EBITDA excluding IAC is reported at SEK 362 million, and the EBITA margin was at 6.4%. Calendar affects EBITA with plus SEK 15 million and the EBITA margin with plus 0.2% to last year, so that calendar adjusted margin was marginally better than last year. Currency movements have marginal impact on the EBITA margin, but on absolute terms, we estimate a negative currency impact of SEK 13 million on EBITA compared to last year. Global Divisions Industry and Transportation & Places support the calendar-adjusted margin development of the group, while Energy reports the highest margin of the global divisions, but somewhat lower than last year in this quarter. We reported utilization of 72% for Q3 in line with the rolling 12-month level. Looking at the year-over-year development by quarter, we see that Q3 '25 is again behind last year, but with a decline at a lower rate than seen last two years. Utilization is a clear focus for Afry, and we are determined to turn the negative trend. We report SEK 31 million restructuring costs as items affecting comparability in the quarter. The restructuring costs again primarily relate to redundancies across the group. In the new group structure, we will continue to address our cost base as well as making portfolio optimization in quarters to come. And we reiterate our estimate of restructuring cost of SEK 200 million to SEK 300 million in the quarters from Q3 '25 to Q2 '26. We have not guided on phasing, but given that the cost levels were slightly lower in Q3, it is fair to assume that they will, on average, be higher for the upcoming quarters. Cash flow from operating activities in Q3 was stronger than last year. Available liquidity remained at SEK 3.8 billion. Net debt remained at SEK 5.1 billion, where the positive operating cash flow compensates completion of the acquisition of Reta Engineering that was completed during the quarter. On net debt to EBITDA, we remain at 2.9x. Normal seasonality would provide significant deleveraging in the last quarter of the year and take us to around or below our financial target of 2.5x. With that, I leave back to you, Linda. Linda Palsson: Thank you for that, Bo. So I would also like to say a few words on our next chapter and what we've achieved in the third quarter. So as I mentioned in the start of today's session, we launched a new group structure in the third quarter. We now operate through three global divisions, representing 14 core segments, which all will drive global sales and delivery. This has been a key milestone, simplifying our operating model and paving the way for profitable growth. During the quarter, we also intensified our efforts to improve utilization and to structurally address our cost base. As a part of this, we continue to execute on our restructuring agenda, which remains on track and will proceed as planned through the second quarter of 2026. We have also reviewed our existing incentive structure, and we took action to align and harmonize them. This will reduce complexity and suboptimization and ultimately drive group performance. And finally, strategies for each global division and segment are now in place, which provides a strong foundation to deliver on our strategic ambitions going forward. And even if we are still in the initial stage of our strategy execution journey, it's encouraging to see the progress we are making. As we finalize our group strategy and have the organizational foundation in place, we are ready to fully move on to strategy execution. We will share more details about this at our upcoming Capital Markets Day. In parallel, we are progressing according to plan with the implementation of the fit-for-purpose operating model while continuously working to address operational efficiency and our cost base. And as mentioned, we are looking forward to welcoming you to our Capital Markets Day on November 4, where we will be presenting our new strategic direction and our plans ahead. I'm excited to meet many of you there and to good discussions and insights. And with that, let's open up for the Q&A session. Linda Palsson: [Operator Instructions] And let's start with Raymond Ke from Nordea. Raymond Ke: A couple of questions from me. I'll take them one by one. The short-term regional differences in energy, could you elaborate a bit in terms of whether it's due to market, certain customers being hesitant, or where you are in these projects? Any color to help us understand sort of how long this might persist would be helpful. Linda Palsson: They are related to wind, solar, and partly to thermal, and it's mostly related to the Nordic region. We don't expect it to be that long-term. We see it more as a temporary bump, but there are delays in some investment decisions from clients in the Nordic market. On the other hand, on the same segments, we see a strong growth in Asia in the same segment. Raymond Ke: And regarding your restructuring plans ahead then, which, of course, may impact personnel. How many FTEs or how should we think about this when we compare sort of consultants against back-office employees? What's the sort of share of headcount reduction distribution there? Bo Sandstrom: Well, I'll provide some light on it, and then hopefully, you get even more light when we come to CMD. We haven't provided guidance on that split. But like we elaborated last time, Raymond, you will have a split between different kind of redundancy costs coming out from this restructuring. There will be a part that is more on a managerial level. There will be a part that is more based on the support structure of the company, and then there will be an operational part as we move ahead into the restructuring efforts. We experienced that in Q2. We see it again in Q3, and we'll elaborate a bit further when we come to CMD. Raymond Ke: Looking forward to that. And just one final one. On the new incentive structure that you talked about there briefly, could you maybe just clarify how was it before and why you expect it maybe to make a major difference or where you expect it to make a difference this time around? Linda Palsson: As we talked about before, now when we have deep dived into our organization and the setup and our ambition to simplify, we actually saw that we had a lot of different incentive structure programs that were somewhat contradictory to each other. So, by harmonizing this, this will drive our efficiency, it will drive internal mobility. And ultimately, it will support the development of Afry. Then we'll open up for Johan Dahl from Danske Bank. Johan Dahl: Just on this -- interesting to hear that you finalized the plan for the new divisions here to sort of improve the margins. I presume that's some sort of multiyear progression to achieve financial targets. And the question is, you have been quite clear on cost-out actions in the near term, the coming 12 months. But what other buckets do you identify in this plan to sort of drive towards financial targets? If you could just broadly outline those. Linda Palsson: I can start. Yes, of course, we have the cost side, but we also have the revenue side. And here, I mean, our sales effort is paving the way for that. As you have heard over the last quarters, we have been quite successful in securing important contracts going forward, and we are building our order backlog. And this will continue. So we've continued to put a lot of efforts into our sales force and also to our structured key account approach. And this is evident that this is a way forward for us. So that's related, I would say, to the revenue side and our structure going forward. And then maybe you should comment, Bo, on the other initiatives. Bo Sandstrom: No, I can just add to it. I mean, ever since we started the work with the next chapter of Afry that we will present in just a couple of weeks, it has been clear that it's a multi-component effort that we're working on, kind of starting in sense with the clients and the commercial aspect of the business that we're doing, but also looking at what is actually the portfolio and how do we structure that and then leading into the operating model and the cost-out actions that you are referring to. So it is a multifaceted, and we'll do our best to explain that in better detail also on CMD. Johan Dahl: Do you see currently -- you talked about positive pricing in the operations. But can you see currently in the order book proof of concept that the sort of intense -- you start talking about improving the order book quality quite some time ago. Can you see that for a fact now that's having an effect? Or is that still something you expect going forward? Bo Sandstrom: Yes, I'll elaborate a bit. It is tricky. I mean the order book is, of course, a very long-term -- it's a very long-term order book, particularly given what we do and the length of many of our large projects. At the same time, the market is developing and the market is developing fairly short-term in that sense. So it's that combination. But of course, we're happy with the order book and the profitability margin in it, and the steps that we're taking towards a better profitability through the order book. But it's really difficult to see, in a sense, quarter-by-quarter, the development. But over time, we're happy with where we are also compared to 1 or 2 years ago when we started talking about these things. Johan Dahl: Final question. Just the increase, 5%, 6% FX adjusted on the order book, when will that translate to revenues, do you think? Or when would you see that inflection point on reported revenues? Linda Palsson: I start, yes. Yes. And that is exactly the tricky ones, as the order book contains of large projects over many years, and it's also very short-term. So of course, we see that continuously, we will improve, but it's difficult to say exactly what kind of revenue is converted from the order book in Q4, for instance. So -- but we see a slight improvement quarter-by-quarter. Next question is from Fredrik Lithell from Handelsbanken. Fredrik Lithell: Maybe a follow-up on Johan's question there. The order book, is it broad-based the development? Or is it sort of very narrow in certain pockets of exceptionally good demand? Or how does that look? Linda Palsson: No, I would say it's broad. We present the differences between our new 3 global divisions here. But you can see that there are some differences. And of course, that Energy, for instance, had relatively stronger order book than the others. But I would say with -- it is a broad base that we have in our order book. So it's no segment that is without orders. Fredrik Lithell: Another question is on sort of your support platforms. You have earlier, and we have talked at length many times before about your upgrades of CRM, HR, ERP, maybe billing systems, maybe something else. Where are you on that route? And how big of an impact have you had so far in better being able to follow your trends, offboarding, onboarding, billing rates, and what have you. So it would be interesting to hear you elaborate. Bo Sandstrom: Yes. It is a broad question, Fredrik. But we come quite a bit on that journey. It is a long-term journey because, like you said, it involves kind of several parts of the company. It's not just a one system, and then you can measure how far you are progressing. It's a combination of different things. I would say that we're more than halfway in that sense, but we still have a bit to go kind of to get to fully there. And successively, we're getting -- I would say that in the phase where we are right now, we're getting better and better transparency. We're shifting into the part where we can also translate the transparency to efficiency and improvements. But that is also kind of a gradual shift, if that is elaborating a bit on your wide question. Fredrik Lithell: Yes, yes, it's very helpful. And on that, just a follow-up, do you have any sort of heavy lifting? Are there any specific big steps in this project in any way? Or is it really just a gradual work every day? Bo Sandstrom: It is, to a large extent, from an overall perspective, it is a gradual work. Then, of course, we have internal milestones that we are kind of kicking off as we go. But from kind of from an investment and cost perspective, we're not expecting any significant effects kind of shifting upwards that will be material for the group as such. Linda Palsson: Thank you, Fredrik. Then we welcome Johan Sundén from DNB, Carnegie. Johan Sundén: A few questions from my side as well. I think, firstly, a little bit curious to hear some kind of high-level comments on the kind of sentiment within the organization. How has voluntary employee turnover developed over the summer? How is commitment among employees? Just curious to hear those kind of feedbacks. Linda Palsson: Thank you. That's a good question. I would start by saying it was a big shift for us of what we are doing. With that said, I think it's quite logical and well understood why we're doing it. So there's a lot of commitment within the organization towards our new strategic direction. But of course, when you are impacted directly, there will be some additional question marks. So it's not all sort of 18,000 super happy. But I would say the overall direction is good, and we have our employees with us on this journey. The second one was related to the employee turnover. Was that right? Yes. Actually, we haven't seen any sort of negative development on that. So it's in line with what we have seen the last quarters. So no change there. Healthy level. Johan Sundén: And also on the kind of more of an HR place, maybe the leadership within Transportation places, where are we in the process there? Linda Palsson: Yes. So Robert Larsson will do his last day here at AFRY, the 31st of October. And then from 1st of November, we have an acting solution in place, Tuukka Sormunen, who will take on the division as acting. And we are in the final stages of the recruitment process for the successor. Johan Sundén: And then maybe a little bit of a nitty-gritty question for Bo. Firstly, on the order backlog, and there's been pretty negative news flow regarding the forestry sector in the Nordics recently. Should we be worried for cancellation or those kind of things that could impact the order backlog going into Q4? Bo Sandstrom: No, I wouldn't be particularly concerned, Johan. I mean you're right. We're not floating a lot of positive news now, but we haven't really had that positive news flow over the last couple of years. So we're not necessarily looking at a large order backlog that is particularly exposed. So I don't see a big kind of downside risk on that from where we are right now. Johan Sundén: That's encouraging. And then 2 small nitty-gritty questions. Firstly, on working capital. If it's just possible, been a busy reporting day, I haven't had time to go into all the details, but can you please go through the dynamics between the kind of how you come with such good working capital release in this quarter? Bo Sandstrom: Yes. I mean you're right. We had a healthy working capital flow on an overall perspective, particularly if you look at a normal Q3 for us, it was a bit stronger this year than it was in a normal year. We don't have a big reason for it to present in that sense. You should expect that, that would be more seasonal swings also, then looking at how Q3 is normally then composed, then this could very well kind of have a contradicting effect in Q4. That's how it's normally played out. But it's nothing out of the ordinary in that sense, more referring to seasonal swings that we saw in a positive way, of course, in Q3. Johan Sundén: And on overhead cost, which has trended a little bit higher first quarter this year, I think you mentioned in Q1 that there was some intra-year phasing that pushed that up a little bit in Q1. Should we expect very low overhead cost in Q4 then? Or how should we think there? Bo Sandstrom: I mean we're clearly -- I mean, now we closed Q3, so we're pretty far into the year. So as been seen throughout the year, we will expect -- I mean, you should expect a higher full year than last year. That's pretty evident where we are kind of 3 quarters out. Looking at Q3 specifically, then the main rationale for the year-over-year is we have -- we carry a very high activity level currently, or particularly during this year. That's one side of it. And then we have some currency-related effects that sneak into the net group cost that we report as well. But in general, I would more look at the activity level that we are carrying at this moment. Johan Sundén: And when should we kind of be ramping down to more normal levels? Is it '26? Bo Sandstrom: Yes. No, I don't necessarily see that. I mean, over the next few quarters, we will be looking at more normalized levels. That is to be expected. Then whether it will happen in Q4 or going into '26, too early to say. But this is not -- it's not a permanent level, I would envision. Linda Palsson: Next question is from Dan Johansson from SEB. Dan Johansson: Two additional ones. Linda, I think you spoke briefly on the billing ratio declined slightly versus the quarter last year, but perhaps less so than previously. And connecting this to the restructuring program, how do you think it's progressing versus the initial plan you had when you introduced it? I know it's a short period. And I assume you did not see much now in Q3, it's a summer quarter. But you have taken out SEK 120 million of restructuring costs now. So for Q4, if we look into that, do you expect to see some first positive signs in terms of utilization? Or will it take a bit longer to see the effect from that? Just so I get it right from a run rate level here going forward. Linda Palsson: I start? Yes. Our important topic of utilization rate. And actually, as you saw on both slides, this was actually the -- it was still lower compared to Q3 last year, but not as much lower as we have seen before. So that's why we say we see some early positive signs within the quarter, and we also see the end of the quarter going better. So we will keep our focus on this question during Q4 for sure and during next year. In terms of the capacity adjustments, that is ongoing at the moment. And as Bo said, we can also expect relatively more in Q4 from that adaptation, our capacity towards our current workload, and see that we get that right, and by that, also improving our utilization rates going forward. Bo Sandstrom: Just to add a bit on it. I mean we are progressing according to our plan, and we're seeing the effects that we expect in a sense so far. But still, also with the guiding of the restructuring program that we launched right before the summer, I mean, you're completely right. We just passed a summer quarter. And then looking at the SEK 200 million to SEK 300 million that we guided, we have just stepped into that bucket, so to say, in terms of restructuring efforts. So where we are right now, a bit early days still, but we are seeing the effects that we anticipate, but more to come. Dan Johansson: And maybe a final one, if I may. In the industry, I'm still a little bit stuck in the past on your old segment structure here. So just to improve my understanding, the industry margin uptick, is that mainly an effect of your Process Industry business, the Pulp and Paper part, I guess? Or is it more like a -- the local broader industry part you have in Sweden that's a little bit better than last year, i.e., the Industrial Digital Solutions, we look at your previous segment structure. What sort of the improvement here in the quarter? Bo Sandstrom: If you're talking about the order backlog, it's more related to the Process Industries part. If you're looking at the net sales development and the negative growth, it's more related to the historical the IDS part. Linda Palsson: Thank you, Dan. And those are the questions we had today. Super. So then we say thank you for today, and we look forward to talking to you again at the Capital Markets Day. Have a nice weekend.
Operator: Hello, and welcome to the Gjensidige's Q3 2025 Results Presentation. My name is Serge and I'll be your coordinator for today's event. Please note, this call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand you over to your host, Mitra Negård. Head of Investor Relations, to begin today's conference. Thank you. Mitra Negård: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our Third Quarter Presentation of Gjensidige. As always, my name is Mitra Negård, and I'm Head of Investor Relations. As always, we will start with our CEO, Geir Holmgren, who will give you the highlights of the quarter; followed by our CFO, Jostein Amdal, who will run through the numbers in further detail. And we have plenty of time for questions after that. Geir, please. Geir Holmgren: Thank you, Mitra, and good morning, everyone. The third quarter saw a relatively stable weather in our region. However, earlier this month, Storm Amy reminded us of the growing impact of climate change and extreme weather, affecting large parts of Norway and areas in Denmark. The storm caused significant property damage through strong winds, once again, testing our organization's resilience. In preparation for the event, cross-functional teams across the organization were mobilized to ensure customer safety and uphold the consistently high standards of service. Billion lessons from past events, we have streamlined our processes for faster, more effective support. According to the Norwegian Natural Perils Pool, over 11,000 claims have been registered in Norway with total industry-wide insurance losses from Natural Perils estimated at NOK 1.5 billion to NOK 2.1 billion. Additional claims for cars, boats and water-related incidents fall in a separate insurance schemes. You can see this total claims cost for Amy in Q4 2025 is estimated at approximately NOK 400 million net of reinsurance and including reinstatement premiums. With the emergency phase behind us, the focus is now on supporting our customers in repairing and replacing what has been damaged. Events like Amy highlight the need for continued climate risk preparedness, the insurance industry remains committed to prevention, collaboration with the municipalities and developing solutions that reflect the changing risk landscape. So now let us turn to Page 3 for comments on the third quarter results. We delivered our profit before tax of NOK 2,067 million. This result includes a nonrecurring expense of NOK 429 million related to the termination of the new core IT system in our pension business. We generated a general insurance service results of NOK 2,271 million, significantly up year-on-year. Our strong growth momentum continued in the quarter with 11.3% increase in insurance revenue when adjusted for the positive effect of the change in recognition of home seller insurance. The combined ratio declined to 79.7%, reflecting the improvements in both loss and cost ratios. The underlying frequency loss ratio improved by 1.4 percentage points and our investment generated returns of NOK 534 million, contributing to delivering a solid return on equity of 29.6%. We have a solid capital position and our solvency ratio was 191% at the end of the quarter. Jostein will revert with more detailed comments on the results for the quarter. Turning to Page 4. I will start with private property insurance in Norway, which sold lower profitability this quarter, reflecting the inherent natural volatility in claims. Claims frequency increased by 5%. Repair costs increased by 4%, in line with our expectation. We continue to implement price increases, although at a more moderate level, reflecting the outlook for inflation and frequency and the current profitability level. Average premiums increased by almost 16%, over the next 12 to 18 months, we expect the repair cost to remain within the range of 3% to 5%, and we will continue to price at least in line with expected claims inflation. Our current average rate of price increases of private property in Norway is 12.5%. So moving over to private motor insurance in Norway. Profitability for this product line improved over the same quarter last year, thanks to our targeted pricing measures. Claims frequency increased by 4%, reflecting an elevated claims level in July, likely as a consequence of the good weather and high traffic density in the vacation weeks. We estimate that the increase in the underlying claims frequency was in the range of 1% to 2%, repair costs increased by 4.4%, well within our estimated range. Average premium increased by 18.6%, although inflationary pressures are easing. The overall level is likely to remain within the 3% to 6% range for the next 12 to 18 months. We are monitoring the key drivers closely and acknowledge the uncertainty stemming from, among others, geopolitical risk and escalated trade tensions. Our current average rate of price increases of private motor in Norway is 13%. Moving on to Page 5. The strong performance in Norway continued this quarter, driven by sustained growth momentum and focus on efficient operations. We are very pleased to see that our retention rates for both the private and commercial portfolios, remain at a very high levels despite the necessary price increases. Sales activity has been strong, leading to an increase in both customer numbers and volumes for private in Norway. We continue to maintain strong competitiveness in the SME part of the commercial market with strong focus on profitability as we move closer to the January renewals. In Denmark, profitability improved for the private portfolio with solid revenue growth driven by both volume and pricing. Profitability for the commercial portfolio was lower, reflecting the inherent variability. We are satisfied with the underlying developments. The implementation of our new core IT system in Denmark is progressing steadily, supported through our testing and a strong focus on quality. Sales are being rolled out gradually, and we are preparing for the migration of the portfolio next year. We are seeing clear benefits from the experience gained during the implementation and use of the system in the private portfolio. And I'm pleased to see that our Swedish operation continued to build on positive momentum, showing sustained progress through solid growth and improved profitability. We are currently conducting a thorough assessment of the core IT system in Sweden, taking into account the specific characteristics of our operations in that market. Over to Page 6. We continue to actively pursue our strong sustainability ambitions. As shown on this slide, we have launched a number of innovative initiatives that are designed to create significant customer value, while reducing claims costs over time. So with that, I will leave the word to Jostein to present the third quarter results in more detail. Jostein Amdal: Thank you, Geir, and good morning, everybody. I will start on Page 8. We delivered a profit before tax of just over NOK 2 billion in the third quarter. The insurance service result increased significantly to NOK 2,271 million, driven by continued strong top line growth and a lower loss ratio. A further decrease in the cost ratio also contributed to higher results. Private delivered a higher result driven by both Norway and Denmark. The improvement in Norway mainly reflects revenue growth across all products, improved profitability for motor insurance and a lower cost ratio. And nonrecurring effect related to home seller reinsurance also added to the result. The positive development in Private Denmark was driven by a combination of revenue growth for all main products, higher profitability for property and motor insurance and a lower cost ratio. Decrease in results from commercial was driven by our Norwegian portfolio due to revenue growth for all products, improved profitability for Accident & Health, motor and property insurance and a lower cost ratio. Higher runoff gains also contributed positively. Our Danish commercial portfolio showed lower results, primarily driven by a higher number of fires impacting property insurance and lower run-off gains. In Sweden, the increase in insurance service result mainly reflected higher profitability for private and commercial property and private payment protection insurance. Our lower cost ratio also contributed to the improved results. The pension segment reported a loss of NOK 414 million, largely related to the nonrecurring expense of NOK 429 million related to the termination of the core IT system. The net result from our investment portfolios amounted to NOK 441 million in the quarter with positive returns from all asset classes. The negative development in the result under other items this quarter is attributable to profits from Natural Perils insurance transferred to the Natural Perils Pool and provisions related to the termination of cooperation agreements with 7 fire mutuals, effective from next year. We are taking proactive steps to secure our market position in the affected areas, and we expect only a limited impact on revenue. The result from our Baltic business is recorded as discontinued operations, pending regulatory approval for the sale. We expect to close the transaction in the beginning of next year. The higher result reflects the write-down of goodwill related to the sale of the company recognized in the third quarter last year. The insurance service result also contributed positively driven by an increase in runoff gains and lower loss and cost ratios. Turning over to Page 9. Our strong growth momentum continued in the third quarter with insurance revenues for the group increasing by more than 11% in local currency when adjusting for the nonrecurring effect in Private Norway. I'm very pleased with the increase, which was mainly driven by pricing measures across the private and commercial portfolios in all geographies, solid renewals in the commercial portfolios and higher volumes in Denmark and Sweden. The growth in our Private segment was driven by both Norway and Denmark. Private Norway showed a strong growth momentum even when excluding the home seller insurance product. This strong development was primarily driven by price increases in all main product lines. And I'm very pleased that we also saw increased volumes from motor, property, travel and accident and health insurance. The growth in Denmark was also strong, thanks to both price increases and higher volumes for all main products. Growth in commercial was also driven by both Norway and Denmark. In Norway, the growth was driven by price increases for all products and solid renewals. As in the previous quarters, this year, growth for some products within accident insurance was muted due to continued focus on profitability improvements. Growth in Commercial Denmark was good. Adjusting for an accrual last year, the growth rate was 6.4% in local currency, driven by price increases for all main products and higher volumes for property, accident & health and liability insurance. Growth in Sweden was negatively impacted by accruals. The underlying growth, however, was good, mainly reflecting higher volumes for leisure boat insurance in the private portfolio and higher volume and price increases for commercial motor and private property insurance. Turning over to Page 10. I'm very pleased with the development in the Group's loss ratio, which improved by 3.2 percentage points compared with the third quarter last year. Part of the improvement was due to lower large losses, which are random in nature. Another important driver was the improvement in the underlying frequency loss ratio of 1.4 percentage points. I'm very satisfied with the development in all the segments and particularly encouraged by seeing an improvement for Private Denmark. Let's turn to Page 11. Our commitment to operational efficiency remains strong. The group's cost ratio was 10.8% this quarter. The 1 percentage point improvement was driven by private in Norway and Denmark, commercially in Norway and the Swedish operations. We continue to strengthen our competitiveness, particularly in Denmark, and we're working to optimize our cost base across the group to create greater capacity for future investments in technology and growth. Over to Slide 12 for comments on our pension operations. Our pension business delivered a pretax loss of NOK 414 million this quarter, significantly impacted by the nonrecurring expenses from discontinuing the new core IT system project. For the time being, we will continue using the existing core system as recent improvements have enabled us to extend its operational life span. The underlying development in results for our pension business is good. Business volumes for the insurance products were high this quarter, which together with price increases lifted insurance revenue. Adjusted for the nonrecurring termination expense, the insurance service results improved year-on-year, but it was still in the red, due to asymmetric recognition of onerous contracts and expected future profits from new contracts. Net finance income contributed with just over NOK 1 million this quarter, reflecting running yield and higher interest rates. The unit-linked business continues to grow with a number of occupational pension members increasing by 5,500 to almost 335,000 at the end of the third quarter. Assets under management rose by NOK 4 billion to NOK 100 billion. This drove an increase in administration fees and management income, improving the net income from the unit linked business when excluding the nonrecurring item. Moving on to the investment portfolio on Page 13. Our investment portfolio generated positive returns for all asset classes, driven by running yields, lower credit spreads and positive equity and real estate markets. The match portfolio net of unwinding and the impact of changes in financial assumptions returned around 40 basis points, mainly reflecting lower credit spreads and the fact that the investments did not fully match the accounting-based technical provisions. The free portfolio returned 110 basis points, reflecting positive returns from all asset classes. The risk in our free portfolio remained low. A few words on the latest development of our operational targets on Slide 14. The customer satisfaction score is measured annually in the fourth quarter. We continue to identify measures and take steps to maintain a strong customer offering and high customer satisfaction. As Geir mentioned, retention in Norway remained high and stable. Retention outside Norway improved slightly during the quarter, with increases seen in Sweden and the private and commercial portfolios in Denmark. We are steadily progressing toward our 2026 target of achieving a retention rate above 85% outside Norway. The improvement in the digital distribution index this quarter reflects an increase in digital sales and digital customers, somewhat offset by a decline in digital service. Distribution efficiency is progressing well, primarily as a result of higher sales in Norway, but also in Denmark. Increased sales following the acquisition of Buysure contributed positively, improving this metric by 2 percentage points. Digital claims reporting increased during the quarter driven by Denmark and Sweden, and automated claims in Norway increased as well. Now over to Page 15 and a few words on our successful Tier 1 bond issue of NOK 1.2 billion in September. We aim to take advantage of what we viewed as attractive market condition, while also preparing for the first call of another Tier 1 bond in April next year. The issue was substantially oversubscribed, and we are very satisfied with the floating rate coupon of 3-month MBR plus 215 basis points. We also took the opportunity to buy back NOK 487 million of the Tier 1 bond with the upcoming call, resulting a net increase of NOK 713 million in outstanding Tier 1 capital. Over to Page 16. We had a solvency ratio of 191% this quarter, up from 182% in the second quarter. Solvency II operating earnings and returns from the free portfolio contributed positively total eligible own funds, while the formulaic dividend which corresponds to a payout rate of 80%, reduced eligible loan funds by NOK 1.3 billion this quarter. The net increase in Tier 1 capital, I just mentioned added NOK 713 million to the eligible own funds. The capital requirement increased slightly this quarter, primarily due to growth in our pension business. The non-life underwriting risks were stable, reflecting growth, offset by the effect of settlement of larger claims and changes in currency rates. And with that, I hand the word back to Geir. Geir Holmgren: Thank you. To sum up on Page 17, we are very pleased with the performance and continued progress across the private, commercial and Swedish segments this quarter. And our capital position is strong. We continue to implement measures and maintain a strong focus on operational efficiency, progressing well toward delivering on our financial targets this year and in 2026. So finally, on Page 18. Before we open for questions, I'm very happy to announce that we have set a date for our next Capital Markets Day, which will be held on the 26th of February next year in Oslo. We are looking forward to this opportunity to speak about our ambitions and plans. We will provide more details in a while. But in the meantime, please save the date. And with that, we will now open the Q&A session for this presentation. Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Hans Rettedal from Danske Bank. Hans Rettedal Christiansen: So my question is around the claims frequency numbers that you gave in motor and property. And I guess there's a lot of sort of volatility, especially between Q2 last quarter and Q3 this quarter with quite a sizable effect on the overall claims outcome. So I was just wondering if you could give a little bit more color on your confidence that sort of frequency will come down and also perhaps just a bit more elaboration on what was driving the July pickup in motor and also in property? And just a very small question on the amounts recovered from reinsurance, which is lower than it typically is of only NOK 12 million this quarter. I know there's nothing typical about reinsurance, but still any help on why this is or sort of drivers behind it would be interesting to hear. Operator: We'll now move to our next question from Ulrik Zürcher from Nordea. Geir Holmgren: Operator, we'll try to answer the question first, please. Hans I can start with the claims frequency volatility. As you know, we are -- have an improvement when it comes to online compared this quarter to the third quarter last year. We see an improvement both on the group level and private and commercial and also in the Swedish operations. When it comes to volatility within the Norwegian part of the business, we see in the property side, more fires this quarter than you normally see. So it's also a kind of impact on some level of volatility, which is a part of our business from quarter-to-quarter. In addition, we saw a pickup, as you mentioned, on the motor side in the start of the third quarter. That's more due to higher frequency in July due to higher traffic density vacation weeks with this time tended to be more have a kind of an impact on the frequency side when it comes to motor. We do have quite high pricing measures, as mentioned in the October renewal. We see pricing measures, both for property and motor in Norway with renewables on 12.5% to 13% price increases on average, which is still above what we expect when it comes to frequency development and inflation going forward. Jostein Amdal: Yes. On the reinsurance recoveries, comment on specific claims. There is -- there has been a reduction of the estimates from some previous large claims, which have been above the retention limits. And that has then an effect that assumed the reinsurance recoveries will come down. So they're kind of -- if you have -- I try to explain it more clearly, if you have a reduction in a large claim estimate with no net effect because they have a reduction in gross claims and a reduction in assumed reinsurance recoveries. And that's the main reason why it's such a low number in the third quarter. Was that clear, Hans? Hans Rettedal Christiansen: Yes, very clear. Operator: Our next question is from Ulrik Zürcher from Nordea. Ulrik Zürcher: Just a short one. Jostein, when you say limited effects from the fire mutuals. Is it possible to -- like how much is that of premiums? And then secondly, just a technical one. You're trying to switch on profits to the Natural Perils Pool. I was just wondering, how will this work going forward? Jostein Amdal: Okay... Ulrik Zürcher: Is it like a quarterly thing or? Jostein Amdal: Yes. I get the question. The fire mutual there's a limited effect on the future development because there is -- this is -- first of all, this is a situation we also had 5 years ago when we had the termination of a number of fire mutuals as well. And it's then the fire mutuals have sold fire insurance in their own account, and then they have had been an agent on -- for all of the products for Gjensidige. And so we have both the fire mutuals and Gjensidige has had the customer relationship. And of course, we will be competing for the same customers. And we do expect a limited negative development on the premium development from this. So we will be strengthening our efforts within these geographical areas where these fire mutuals have operated. Yes. Geir Holmgren: If you talk about the impact on the profitability, I will also mention that because that's due to kind of agent distribution setup. We also definitely reduced expenses going forward regarding distribution. So we improved the distribution efficiency when it comes to existing customers through that channel. Jostein Amdal: The second question on Natural Perils technicalities is that when the line of business called Natural Perils has a surplus that surplus is transferred to the Natural Perils pool accounts in a way and that's then something we have to pay to this central Natural Perils Pool. Yes, and that's then on the negative on the others, other lines, other items. So it's a good year -- the positive will then be in the -- in a way where it's just a surplus or deficit. So if it's a surplus, it's a negative other. So there is no positive in a way. It's just a net negative. Ulrik Zürcher: Okay. So but will this be like done on a quarterly basis or annual? Jostein Amdal: In reality is every month, but then you, of course, get accounts every quarter. Operator: We'll now move to our next question from Derald Goh from Jefferies. Derald Goh: So my question is around the cost ratio. Now you're running at 12%. Is this the new base that is sustainable or would you -- and I guess, would you consider maybe reinvesting some of that into growth? Jostein Amdal: We are very happy to see reduced cost ratios. We have very strong cost discipline, and we have many cost efficiency measures going on in the organization and in our business. Our target at the moment is around 13% next year, but we are aiming for keeping the business still cost efficient, of course, and work every day to try to improve the cost efficiency. This, at the moment, as you mentioned, it could probably argue that it's some kind of room for doing other types of investments. But every type of investments we are doing have -- will have a good business case and will make -- improve the profit over time. So we are still focused on being a cost-efficient business and that's part of the core of our business and the way we are thinking. Derald Goh: But just to be clear, I guess, is it expected to assume that some of this 12% is a reasonable run rate for now? Jostein Amdal: I think we will not give any kind of guiding on our cost ratio going forward. The best thing to mention is our target for next year, which is around 13%. Operator: And we will now take our next question from Thomas Svendsen from SEB. Thomas Svendsen: Yes. So a question to the pension operation from my side. So can you just explain a little bit more why you scrap this system? Are there any changes in -- sorry, your market approach or something other? And also just remind us of the business plan for your business -- for your pension units? And also, could you sort of indicate sort of what to expect to be sort of normalized pretax profit level given the current asset base there? Geir Holmgren: Okay. the reason for terminating the core system within the pension business is due to our needs and requirements regarding the business we have today regarding pension business and pension-related products. Our assessment is that we are not getting the full benefit out of the existing core system, which was terminated and that has developed during the years we have doing the development, I would say. So this is a conclusion on something we -- the kind of assessment and consideration we have done in the past. And our assessment is that this is not the right system for Gjensidige going forward, taking care of our pension business in the Norwegian market with all the kind of requirements needed for doing that efficiently and with high quality. Our pension business in Norway is when it comes to a more strategic view on that. It's a very integrated part of our commercial business, especially in the SME areas, we see that we are running this business very cost efficient when it comes to distribution. It's capital efficient as well due to the types of products we have in the pension business. And I'm very happy to see the growth we have had within that business during the last couple of years, and it's a very motivated organization to keep that up on a high level going forward as well. So we are focusing on occupational pension and are happy to see that the market has a high level of growth, which we definitely take our earned part. So yes, I think that's probably on the business side. Jostein Amdal: I can add on the kind of financial guiding. I mean we don't guide us on much, but we have stated a return on equity target for the pension business back in the Capital Market Day in November '23, where we said that based on IFRS earnings, which is the company accounts for the pension business, we need to -- or target to return more than 15% return on equity. And if you exclude this nonrecurring item, year-to-date, the return on equity is 20.7%. So we are well ahead of our stated financial targets for the pension business as a company. Geir Holmgren: And if you look at the accounts for IFRS 4 in that business, it's -- actually we had a very good quarter when it comes to underlying profitability, good growth on the income side, revenue side, and it's run very cost efficient as well. Operator: We'll now take our next question from the next caller, please introduce yourself by your name and the affiliation after the automated prompt. Unknown Analyst: This is [indiscernible] from Autonomous Research. Can you hear me? Geir Holmgren: Yes. Unknown Analyst: I have just one question just on solvency given the very strong progress year-to-date. I was wondering whether you could comment on where your preferences in terms of capital deployment currently lies in terms of whether you see some good M&A opportunities on the horizon or whether you are more leaning towards passing your capital and potentially repatriate some in the form of special dividend or share buyback? And then secondly, look to the capital situation, if you could comment on any update, if any, on the approval process for your own partial internal model? Geir Holmgren: Okay. Yes. I'm very happy with the capital position. We have a strong solvency number, 191, which is above our target interval. We are -- the Board will do their assessment when it comes to dividend at year-end. We are not aiming for having any kind of surplus capital within the group. So this is definitely a part of the consideration when doing the assessment of ordinary and extraordinary dividends by year-end. Yes. Jostein Amdal: And -- yes, on the process, really no update at this point, really, we are still in the process with Norwegian FSA. Unknown Analyst: And so if I could follow up. And there's nothing interesting on the M&A profit you see at the moment? Geir Holmgren: No, we are focused on organic growth in the business. So we are not considering any structural way of growing the business. We are happy with the position we have in Norway and improving the business we're having in Denmark by many operational measures, and that's our focus now. And yes. Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll now take our next question. Vinit Malhotra: This is Vinit from Mediobanca. So my one question would be just following up on your comment on the July weather effect driving the 1 to 2 points you mentioned on the underlying. I'm just curious, is there a similar explanation? Or is that the same explanation for commercial Denmark, which seems to have worsened about 4 points in the quarter when compared to 3Q '24, is there any comment on that you could share that also throw some light on what's happening there? Jostein Amdal: Thank you, Vinit. No, it's not related to the same cost. This is more just inherent quarterly volatility on our commercial book of business. So it's really specific explanation around it, we do see a somewhat increased level of both size and frequency of claims within that business, but nothing we regard as giving the indication of a future trend, so it's volatility. Operator: We'll move to our next question. Michele Ballatore: Yes. This is Michele Ballatore from KBW. So my question is related to the -- in general, the pricing regarding your comment earlier. So can you tell us what is the status of the -- your pricing, both in private and in commercial across Norway, Denmark and Sweden? Geir Holmgren: Starting with Norway. We have over time now, 2 years' time, we have had a quite heavily pricing measures going on, which also have increased the pricing level substantial -- substantially for both property and motor insurance. The average decrease within property was approximately 60% last year and promoter between 18% and 19%. The ongoing pricing measures are still having quite high price increases. But compared to what we have done in the past is a more moderate level, but we are talking about 12% to 13% price increases on average for property and motor insurance in Norway. That's above what we expect when it comes to inflation in the next 12 to 18 months, and it's about the frequency development. So -- but we have a very good and stable position in Norway, still high retention numbers and still I'm very happy to see our competitiveness in the Norwegian market, both on private and commercial side. When it comes to commercial, large parts of the portfolio have renewals at 1st of January. So we are preparing for that as well with quite high price increases due to what we have done in the types of considerations we are doing. In Denmark, we have price increases going on in the private segment. As I mentioned before, we have not been satisfied with the profitability in our private Danish business. We have had many, many quarters with red numbers. Happy to see that we have -- can pace of progress during second quarter and third quarter and cost profitability. But price increases are needed to improve that business in addition to cost measures and improving the cost efficiency of that business. On the commercial side, my opinion is that we have a very, very strong position in Denmark when it comes to our commercial business. We do have a good relationship with the main brokers. We have recognized brand name, a stable good portfolio. When it comes to results, it will be some kind of volatility from quarter-to-quarter, but our starting point going forward is at a very, very good level when it comes to our pricing power and our position in the commercial segment. And for Sweden yes, still ongoing pricing measures, I'm very happy to see that we have succeeded when it comes to improve our efficiency and to improve the way we are doing business with more digital solutions. And it's a small business, but we have -- but the business we have succeeded to improve profitability over time during the last couple of years, and I'm very happy to see that. Michele Ballatore: Sorry to follow up on Norway. If I understood correctly, you were talking about 12%, 13% price increases. I mean this is -- am I wrong in assuming I mean this is significantly above inflation. And you have, of course, quite sizable market share in Norway. But my point is, is this something -- I mean, is there the same level of discipline in the market? I'm just trying to understand what you're doing compared to what the market is doing in Norway, specifically? Geir Holmgren: Yes, good question. We started with repricing our private portfolio in Norway, third quarter 2 years ago. So it has been ongoing pricing measures above inflation now on -- during the last 2 years. My impression -- my view is that Gjensidige probably started that kind of price using pricing measures quite heavily, started that first in the Norwegian market. So we are actually a first mover when it comes to having the pricing measures. Yes. We still see that we have good pricing power. The retention rates are still high. We are prioritizing profitability before growth and used market situation, and you also see that our competitors are doing price increases that we are still continuing with quite high price increases as well. The pricing level you mentioned, that's correct. On average, 12.5% to 13% within motor property within private above inflation numbers as we see and frequency development, as we have seen in the past. So we also take care of the kind of claims mix which you will see from time to time when you get new cars in the market and different types of claims, and that would also change from quarter-to-quarter due to the weather conditions. Mitra Negård: Operator, are there any further questions? Operator: Yes, we have a question from Hans Rettedal. Hans Rettedal Christiansen: I guess it's a bit general, but I was just wondering sort of related to the previous question, do you see any effect from the price hikes that you've implemented now on customers, perhaps dropping coverage or changing coverage, changing terms of deductibles or any sort of movements on the customer side as an effect of kind of pricing having increased quite significantly over the past couple of years? Geir Holmgren: We spend more time with the customers now than we have done in the past due to everything that's happening in the market. But we also have a situation in Norway and in Denmark that we see quite high price increases due to what we have seen in the past. So the pricing discipline among our peers are at a high level as well. But this situation also makes the customer more -- doing more considerations regarding the insurance contracts, and they are checking prices more than had done in the past. But we don't see any negative impact on our business volume when it comes to that kind of activity. We still see that the retention numbers are still high. And I'm very satisfied with the level of customer satisfaction and customer loyalty. We do have in our -- especially our Norwegian portfolio. So my view is that we still have a very good pricing power when it comes to do all the necessary measures we have mentioned. Operator: And we have another follow-up question from Derald Goh from Jefferies. Derald Goh: The first one is a clarification. Could you say what are the rate increases that you're putting through in Denmark? Like what percentage is it? And how does it compete to the claims inflation in both private and commercial side of Denmark? And then could you maybe speak to how conservative you might be recognizing some of the margins? I think there are a few questions that has already being that the rate increases seem to be far outstripping the claims inflation number. Is it a case that maybe you are building up a bit of a reserve buffer? Jostein Amdal: I think on the first, what are the actual price or rate increases that we are putting through in Denmark, we haven't been as clear as we have been on the 2 main products in Private Norway, but we are looking at price increases that are well above our expected development in claims, which is a combination of claims inflation and number of claims, the claims frequency. So that's why what we're aiming for. And of course, as always, what we will get through will be a function also of the competitive situation there. And I remind you that our business is quite a lot larger in commercial than in private -- in Denmark, and we have very strong position within Commercial Denmark. We are looking at combined ventures at around 85%, 86%, depending on if you look at the quarter or year-to-date, which is a healthy profit. But we still continue to put through price increases above our expectations of the claims development. Operator: We have another follow-up question from Thomas Svendsen from SEB. Thomas Svendsen: Yes. This is Thomas again. So just on customer behavior in Private Norway. Is there -- this change in behavior by clients, do you see much more inbound call. Clients want to discuss the price? And also do you need to sort of get back to rescue clients that are leaving you? Is that an increased activity there within the net retention levels that you talk about? Geir Holmgren: We haven't seen any change this quarter compared to the last couple of quarters when it comes to that kind of activity. If you look at the number of customers, we are increasing the number of customers in our private portfolio in Norway compared to what we had year-end '24. So I'm very satisfied with the sales activity, distribution efficiency. But in all respect, we do talk more to customers during the last couple of quarters than we have done in the past due to all the high price increases, different types of customers meet across all insurance providers and for different insurance contracts. Jostein Amdal: I'll also remind you that the growth in Private Norway was although mainly price. We had an increase in the kind of the volume, the number of customers, as Geir mentioned, but also number of cars, houses, travel insurance policies and so on. So there's an underlying volume growth as well, although the main part of the growth is price driven. Operator: And we have another follow-up question from Mediobanca. Vinit Malhotra: Vinit from Mediobanca. The second question from me is on the inflation outlook, because I remember that we were all expecting you to provide an update on inflation in this quarter, and it appears to be unchanged versus Q2, whereas, obviously, in Q2, we heard you talk about reducing some of the price increases, and we see that in the numbers. So could you just comment that is this inflation being unchanged Q2 versus Q3, a surprise to you? And what are the drivers and are you still happy with lowering the price increase within Norway, even though inflation outlook is unchanged? Geir Holmgren: Starting with property in Norway, the actual inflation third quarter this year compared to -- or during the last 12 months was 4% and our expectation for the next 12 to 18 months is between 3% and 5%. That's a combination of repair cost and labor expenses in the property segment. We -- when it comes to motor, actual inflation in the last 12 months, around 4.4% expected. The next 12 to 18 months is quite big interval between 3% to 6% and the kind of uncertainties regarding trade barriers and what's happening in especially in the motor industry. And so it's a kind of a certainty, and that's the reason for having big interval as well when it comes to inflation, expected inflation going forward. But -- as mentioned, we are having pricing measures at the moment, which are definitely above the expected inflation, including also what you have seen on the frequency development in the past. Jostein Amdal: May I also add that remember that these are the what we tell you about are the price increases that are in place for policies that will be renewing now, whereas the accounting effect is a function also of all the price increases and the levels of price increase that we had over the last 12 months, which we have informed about every quarter, which have over the last 12 months, bit slightly higher than the ones we are currently putting through to the customers. So there's an overhang of kind of all the previous price increases now. And as Geir said, given that these price increases are higher than what we expect, at least as a future claims development, that should bode for a margin improvement also further down the road. Operator: And we have a new question from new caller, please introduce yourself and your affiliation. Unknown Analyst: It's Yulis from Autonomous Research. I was wondering if you could comment on the revenue growth dynamics in the near term. I mean, in the third quarter, your 13% year on growth was -- kind of helped by some one-off factors. At the same time, you're also -- because it can earn revenue, it's also benefiting and reflecting the higher rate increases that you implemented in the past year. So I was wondering whether that 13% is a sustainable level in the near term or whether it could potentially improve on the basis that it's reflecting the earned written premiums going forward? Jostein Amdal: First of all, I remind you that we talked about a onetime effect due to a change in principle on the home seller insurance. So the kind of current adjusted for currency, and that is 11.3%, which is kind of the level we report. And nonrecurring is, of course, not -- should not influence your forecast. So it's more like the 11%, which is based on the premiums that we have implemented over the last 12 months. And we've also given the growth numbers per segment. I think that is kind of the best way for you to try to predict what's going to happen. And we combined -- commented on the kind of effects on Commercial Denmark, which is 6.4%, rather than 4.4% in the currency, if you adjust for an accounting effect last year and also that the Swedish number due to the accruals is underlying a bit higher than what we have reported, which is 2.7%. So it's more in the 6%, 7% range as well. I think that is the building blocks you should probably use for your estimate of future revenue development. Operator: And we have another question, please caller introduce yourself. Qian Lu: It's Qian Lu, UBS. I just have one on the ongoing pricing measures in Norway, which slowed down quarter-on-quarter. I'm wondering if this is implying a more proactive strategy to enhance our competitiveness in the market and grow policy accounts? Or is it more of a reaction to increased competition in the market? And I guess related to this, given one of your peers has indicated that they plan to normalize price increases from next year onwards. I wonder how you are thinking about the time line for your price adjustments? Geir Holmgren: The price increases we are having at the moment and which are implemented as mentioned, it's above expected claims inflation and frequency development. The high level of price increases we have in the past is also a response on the frequency development we have seen during the last 2 years, especially on the motor side, but we have also seen some more volatility regarding property insurance, high number of fires in some quarters, more water-related claims and so on. So we have -- that's the reason in the past for doing quite heavily pricing measures and to improve the profitability, which was weaker going 2 years back. Going forward, I'm not in a position, where I can comment on future price increases due to antitrust and competition rules. But we are only commenting on what we're doing and have done at the moment, and we are still having price increases, which is above frequency development and inflation numbers. And we don't expect the frequency development we have seen in the past. We don't expect that to continue in the kind of way it has done during the last couple of years, but we have seen especially -- for instance, on the motor side, we have seen in the last quarter, underlying development on the frequency side is between 1% and 2%, and we still expect to have some kind of frequency development also for motor going forward, but not at certain levels we have seen during the last 2 years. Operator: And appears there are currently no further questions in the queue. With this, I will like to hand the call back over to Mitra for closing remarks. Over to you, ma'am. Mitra Negård: Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for good questions. We will be participating in roadshow meetings and a seminar during the next few weeks, starting with Oslo today and London next week. Please see our financial calendar on the website for more details. So with that, thank you for your attention, and have a nice day.
Operator: Hello, and welcome to the Gjensidige's Q3 2025 Results Presentation. My name is Serge and I'll be your coordinator for today's event. Please note, this call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand you over to your host, Mitra Negård. Head of Investor Relations, to begin today's conference. Thank you. Mitra Negård: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our Third Quarter Presentation of Gjensidige. As always, my name is Mitra Negård, and I'm Head of Investor Relations. As always, we will start with our CEO, Geir Holmgren, who will give you the highlights of the quarter; followed by our CFO, Jostein Amdal, who will run through the numbers in further detail. And we have plenty of time for questions after that. Geir, please. Geir Holmgren: Thank you, Mitra, and good morning, everyone. The third quarter saw a relatively stable weather in our region. However, earlier this month, Storm Amy reminded us of the growing impact of climate change and extreme weather, affecting large parts of Norway and areas in Denmark. The storm caused significant property damage through strong winds, once again, testing our organization's resilience. In preparation for the event, cross-functional teams across the organization were mobilized to ensure customer safety and uphold the consistently high standards of service. Billion lessons from past events, we have streamlined our processes for faster, more effective support. According to the Norwegian Natural Perils Pool, over 11,000 claims have been registered in Norway with total industry-wide insurance losses from Natural Perils estimated at NOK 1.5 billion to NOK 2.1 billion. Additional claims for cars, boats and water-related incidents fall in a separate insurance schemes. You can see this total claims cost for Amy in Q4 2025 is estimated at approximately NOK 400 million net of reinsurance and including reinstatement premiums. With the emergency phase behind us, the focus is now on supporting our customers in repairing and replacing what has been damaged. Events like Amy highlight the need for continued climate risk preparedness, the insurance industry remains committed to prevention, collaboration with the municipalities and developing solutions that reflect the changing risk landscape. So now let us turn to Page 3 for comments on the third quarter results. We delivered our profit before tax of NOK 2,067 million. This result includes a nonrecurring expense of NOK 429 million related to the termination of the new core IT system in our pension business. We generated a general insurance service results of NOK 2,271 million, significantly up year-on-year. Our strong growth momentum continued in the quarter with 11.3% increase in insurance revenue when adjusted for the positive effect of the change in recognition of home seller insurance. The combined ratio declined to 79.7%, reflecting the improvements in both loss and cost ratios. The underlying frequency loss ratio improved by 1.4 percentage points and our investment generated returns of NOK 534 million, contributing to delivering a solid return on equity of 29.6%. We have a solid capital position and our solvency ratio was 191% at the end of the quarter. Jostein will revert with more detailed comments on the results for the quarter. Turning to Page 4. I will start with private property insurance in Norway, which sold lower profitability this quarter, reflecting the inherent natural volatility in claims. Claims frequency increased by 5%. Repair costs increased by 4%, in line with our expectation. We continue to implement price increases, although at a more moderate level, reflecting the outlook for inflation and frequency and the current profitability level. Average premiums increased by almost 16%, over the next 12 to 18 months, we expect the repair cost to remain within the range of 3% to 5%, and we will continue to price at least in line with expected claims inflation. Our current average rate of price increases of private property in Norway is 12.5%. So moving over to private motor insurance in Norway. Profitability for this product line improved over the same quarter last year, thanks to our targeted pricing measures. Claims frequency increased by 4%, reflecting an elevated claims level in July, likely as a consequence of the good weather and high traffic density in the vacation weeks. We estimate that the increase in the underlying claims frequency was in the range of 1% to 2%, repair costs increased by 4.4%, well within our estimated range. Average premium increased by 18.6%, although inflationary pressures are easing. The overall level is likely to remain within the 3% to 6% range for the next 12 to 18 months. We are monitoring the key drivers closely and acknowledge the uncertainty stemming from, among others, geopolitical risk and escalated trade tensions. Our current average rate of price increases of private motor in Norway is 13%. Moving on to Page 5. The strong performance in Norway continued this quarter, driven by sustained growth momentum and focus on efficient operations. We are very pleased to see that our retention rates for both the private and commercial portfolios, remain at a very high levels despite the necessary price increases. Sales activity has been strong, leading to an increase in both customer numbers and volumes for private in Norway. We continue to maintain strong competitiveness in the SME part of the commercial market with strong focus on profitability as we move closer to the January renewals. In Denmark, profitability improved for the private portfolio with solid revenue growth driven by both volume and pricing. Profitability for the commercial portfolio was lower, reflecting the inherent variability. We are satisfied with the underlying developments. The implementation of our new core IT system in Denmark is progressing steadily, supported through our testing and a strong focus on quality. Sales are being rolled out gradually, and we are preparing for the migration of the portfolio next year. We are seeing clear benefits from the experience gained during the implementation and use of the system in the private portfolio. And I'm pleased to see that our Swedish operation continued to build on positive momentum, showing sustained progress through solid growth and improved profitability. We are currently conducting a thorough assessment of the core IT system in Sweden, taking into account the specific characteristics of our operations in that market. Over to Page 6. We continue to actively pursue our strong sustainability ambitions. As shown on this slide, we have launched a number of innovative initiatives that are designed to create significant customer value, while reducing claims costs over time. So with that, I will leave the word to Jostein to present the third quarter results in more detail. Jostein Amdal: Thank you, Geir, and good morning, everybody. I will start on Page 8. We delivered a profit before tax of just over NOK 2 billion in the third quarter. The insurance service result increased significantly to NOK 2,271 million, driven by continued strong top line growth and a lower loss ratio. A further decrease in the cost ratio also contributed to higher results. Private delivered a higher result driven by both Norway and Denmark. The improvement in Norway mainly reflects revenue growth across all products, improved profitability for motor insurance and a lower cost ratio. And nonrecurring effect related to home seller reinsurance also added to the result. The positive development in Private Denmark was driven by a combination of revenue growth for all main products, higher profitability for property and motor insurance and a lower cost ratio. Decrease in results from commercial was driven by our Norwegian portfolio due to revenue growth for all products, improved profitability for Accident & Health, motor and property insurance and a lower cost ratio. Higher runoff gains also contributed positively. Our Danish commercial portfolio showed lower results, primarily driven by a higher number of fires impacting property insurance and lower run-off gains. In Sweden, the increase in insurance service result mainly reflected higher profitability for private and commercial property and private payment protection insurance. Our lower cost ratio also contributed to the improved results. The pension segment reported a loss of NOK 414 million, largely related to the nonrecurring expense of NOK 429 million related to the termination of the core IT system. The net result from our investment portfolios amounted to NOK 441 million in the quarter with positive returns from all asset classes. The negative development in the result under other items this quarter is attributable to profits from Natural Perils insurance transferred to the Natural Perils Pool and provisions related to the termination of cooperation agreements with 7 fire mutuals, effective from next year. We are taking proactive steps to secure our market position in the affected areas, and we expect only a limited impact on revenue. The result from our Baltic business is recorded as discontinued operations, pending regulatory approval for the sale. We expect to close the transaction in the beginning of next year. The higher result reflects the write-down of goodwill related to the sale of the company recognized in the third quarter last year. The insurance service result also contributed positively driven by an increase in runoff gains and lower loss and cost ratios. Turning over to Page 9. Our strong growth momentum continued in the third quarter with insurance revenues for the group increasing by more than 11% in local currency when adjusting for the nonrecurring effect in Private Norway. I'm very pleased with the increase, which was mainly driven by pricing measures across the private and commercial portfolios in all geographies, solid renewals in the commercial portfolios and higher volumes in Denmark and Sweden. The growth in our Private segment was driven by both Norway and Denmark. Private Norway showed a strong growth momentum even when excluding the home seller insurance product. This strong development was primarily driven by price increases in all main product lines. And I'm very pleased that we also saw increased volumes from motor, property, travel and accident and health insurance. The growth in Denmark was also strong, thanks to both price increases and higher volumes for all main products. Growth in commercial was also driven by both Norway and Denmark. In Norway, the growth was driven by price increases for all products and solid renewals. As in the previous quarters, this year, growth for some products within accident insurance was muted due to continued focus on profitability improvements. Growth in Commercial Denmark was good. Adjusting for an accrual last year, the growth rate was 6.4% in local currency, driven by price increases for all main products and higher volumes for property, accident & health and liability insurance. Growth in Sweden was negatively impacted by accruals. The underlying growth, however, was good, mainly reflecting higher volumes for leisure boat insurance in the private portfolio and higher volume and price increases for commercial motor and private property insurance. Turning over to Page 10. I'm very pleased with the development in the Group's loss ratio, which improved by 3.2 percentage points compared with the third quarter last year. Part of the improvement was due to lower large losses, which are random in nature. Another important driver was the improvement in the underlying frequency loss ratio of 1.4 percentage points. I'm very satisfied with the development in all the segments and particularly encouraged by seeing an improvement for Private Denmark. Let's turn to Page 11. Our commitment to operational efficiency remains strong. The group's cost ratio was 10.8% this quarter. The 1 percentage point improvement was driven by private in Norway and Denmark, commercially in Norway and the Swedish operations. We continue to strengthen our competitiveness, particularly in Denmark, and we're working to optimize our cost base across the group to create greater capacity for future investments in technology and growth. Over to Slide 12 for comments on our pension operations. Our pension business delivered a pretax loss of NOK 414 million this quarter, significantly impacted by the nonrecurring expenses from discontinuing the new core IT system project. For the time being, we will continue using the existing core system as recent improvements have enabled us to extend its operational life span. The underlying development in results for our pension business is good. Business volumes for the insurance products were high this quarter, which together with price increases lifted insurance revenue. Adjusted for the nonrecurring termination expense, the insurance service results improved year-on-year, but it was still in the red, due to asymmetric recognition of onerous contracts and expected future profits from new contracts. Net finance income contributed with just over NOK 1 million this quarter, reflecting running yield and higher interest rates. The unit-linked business continues to grow with a number of occupational pension members increasing by 5,500 to almost 335,000 at the end of the third quarter. Assets under management rose by NOK 4 billion to NOK 100 billion. This drove an increase in administration fees and management income, improving the net income from the unit linked business when excluding the nonrecurring item. Moving on to the investment portfolio on Page 13. Our investment portfolio generated positive returns for all asset classes, driven by running yields, lower credit spreads and positive equity and real estate markets. The match portfolio net of unwinding and the impact of changes in financial assumptions returned around 40 basis points, mainly reflecting lower credit spreads and the fact that the investments did not fully match the accounting-based technical provisions. The free portfolio returned 110 basis points, reflecting positive returns from all asset classes. The risk in our free portfolio remained low. A few words on the latest development of our operational targets on Slide 14. The customer satisfaction score is measured annually in the fourth quarter. We continue to identify measures and take steps to maintain a strong customer offering and high customer satisfaction. As Geir mentioned, retention in Norway remained high and stable. Retention outside Norway improved slightly during the quarter, with increases seen in Sweden and the private and commercial portfolios in Denmark. We are steadily progressing toward our 2026 target of achieving a retention rate above 85% outside Norway. The improvement in the digital distribution index this quarter reflects an increase in digital sales and digital customers, somewhat offset by a decline in digital service. Distribution efficiency is progressing well, primarily as a result of higher sales in Norway, but also in Denmark. Increased sales following the acquisition of Buysure contributed positively, improving this metric by 2 percentage points. Digital claims reporting increased during the quarter driven by Denmark and Sweden, and automated claims in Norway increased as well. Now over to Page 15 and a few words on our successful Tier 1 bond issue of NOK 1.2 billion in September. We aim to take advantage of what we viewed as attractive market condition, while also preparing for the first call of another Tier 1 bond in April next year. The issue was substantially oversubscribed, and we are very satisfied with the floating rate coupon of 3-month MBR plus 215 basis points. We also took the opportunity to buy back NOK 487 million of the Tier 1 bond with the upcoming call, resulting a net increase of NOK 713 million in outstanding Tier 1 capital. Over to Page 16. We had a solvency ratio of 191% this quarter, up from 182% in the second quarter. Solvency II operating earnings and returns from the free portfolio contributed positively total eligible own funds, while the formulaic dividend which corresponds to a payout rate of 80%, reduced eligible loan funds by NOK 1.3 billion this quarter. The net increase in Tier 1 capital, I just mentioned added NOK 713 million to the eligible own funds. The capital requirement increased slightly this quarter, primarily due to growth in our pension business. The non-life underwriting risks were stable, reflecting growth, offset by the effect of settlement of larger claims and changes in currency rates. And with that, I hand the word back to Geir. Geir Holmgren: Thank you. To sum up on Page 17, we are very pleased with the performance and continued progress across the private, commercial and Swedish segments this quarter. And our capital position is strong. We continue to implement measures and maintain a strong focus on operational efficiency, progressing well toward delivering on our financial targets this year and in 2026. So finally, on Page 18. Before we open for questions, I'm very happy to announce that we have set a date for our next Capital Markets Day, which will be held on the 26th of February next year in Oslo. We are looking forward to this opportunity to speak about our ambitions and plans. We will provide more details in a while. But in the meantime, please save the date. And with that, we will now open the Q&A session for this presentation. Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Hans Rettedal from Danske Bank. Hans Rettedal Christiansen: So my question is around the claims frequency numbers that you gave in motor and property. And I guess there's a lot of sort of volatility, especially between Q2 last quarter and Q3 this quarter with quite a sizable effect on the overall claims outcome. So I was just wondering if you could give a little bit more color on your confidence that sort of frequency will come down and also perhaps just a bit more elaboration on what was driving the July pickup in motor and also in property? And just a very small question on the amounts recovered from reinsurance, which is lower than it typically is of only NOK 12 million this quarter. I know there's nothing typical about reinsurance, but still any help on why this is or sort of drivers behind it would be interesting to hear. Operator: We'll now move to our next question from Ulrik Zürcher from Nordea. Geir Holmgren: Operator, we'll try to answer the question first, please. Hans I can start with the claims frequency volatility. As you know, we are -- have an improvement when it comes to online compared this quarter to the third quarter last year. We see an improvement both on the group level and private and commercial and also in the Swedish operations. When it comes to volatility within the Norwegian part of the business, we see in the property side, more fires this quarter than you normally see. So it's also a kind of impact on some level of volatility, which is a part of our business from quarter-to-quarter. In addition, we saw a pickup, as you mentioned, on the motor side in the start of the third quarter. That's more due to higher frequency in July due to higher traffic density vacation weeks with this time tended to be more have a kind of an impact on the frequency side when it comes to motor. We do have quite high pricing measures, as mentioned in the October renewal. We see pricing measures, both for property and motor in Norway with renewables on 12.5% to 13% price increases on average, which is still above what we expect when it comes to frequency development and inflation going forward. Jostein Amdal: Yes. On the reinsurance recoveries, comment on specific claims. There is -- there has been a reduction of the estimates from some previous large claims, which have been above the retention limits. And that has then an effect that assumed the reinsurance recoveries will come down. So they're kind of -- if you have -- I try to explain it more clearly, if you have a reduction in a large claim estimate with no net effect because they have a reduction in gross claims and a reduction in assumed reinsurance recoveries. And that's the main reason why it's such a low number in the third quarter. Was that clear, Hans? Hans Rettedal Christiansen: Yes, very clear. Operator: Our next question is from Ulrik Zürcher from Nordea. Ulrik Zürcher: Just a short one. Jostein, when you say limited effects from the fire mutuals. Is it possible to -- like how much is that of premiums? And then secondly, just a technical one. You're trying to switch on profits to the Natural Perils Pool. I was just wondering, how will this work going forward? Jostein Amdal: Okay... Ulrik Zürcher: Is it like a quarterly thing or? Jostein Amdal: Yes. I get the question. The fire mutual there's a limited effect on the future development because there is -- this is -- first of all, this is a situation we also had 5 years ago when we had the termination of a number of fire mutuals as well. And it's then the fire mutuals have sold fire insurance in their own account, and then they have had been an agent on -- for all of the products for Gjensidige. And so we have both the fire mutuals and Gjensidige has had the customer relationship. And of course, we will be competing for the same customers. And we do expect a limited negative development on the premium development from this. So we will be strengthening our efforts within these geographical areas where these fire mutuals have operated. Yes. Geir Holmgren: If you talk about the impact on the profitability, I will also mention that because that's due to kind of agent distribution setup. We also definitely reduced expenses going forward regarding distribution. So we improved the distribution efficiency when it comes to existing customers through that channel. Jostein Amdal: The second question on Natural Perils technicalities is that when the line of business called Natural Perils has a surplus that surplus is transferred to the Natural Perils pool accounts in a way and that's then something we have to pay to this central Natural Perils Pool. Yes, and that's then on the negative on the others, other lines, other items. So it's a good year -- the positive will then be in the -- in a way where it's just a surplus or deficit. So if it's a surplus, it's a negative other. So there is no positive in a way. It's just a net negative. Ulrik Zürcher: Okay. So but will this be like done on a quarterly basis or annual? Jostein Amdal: In reality is every month, but then you, of course, get accounts every quarter. Operator: We'll now move to our next question from Derald Goh from Jefferies. Derald Goh: So my question is around the cost ratio. Now you're running at 12%. Is this the new base that is sustainable or would you -- and I guess, would you consider maybe reinvesting some of that into growth? Jostein Amdal: We are very happy to see reduced cost ratios. We have very strong cost discipline, and we have many cost efficiency measures going on in the organization and in our business. Our target at the moment is around 13% next year, but we are aiming for keeping the business still cost efficient, of course, and work every day to try to improve the cost efficiency. This, at the moment, as you mentioned, it could probably argue that it's some kind of room for doing other types of investments. But every type of investments we are doing have -- will have a good business case and will make -- improve the profit over time. So we are still focused on being a cost-efficient business and that's part of the core of our business and the way we are thinking. Derald Goh: But just to be clear, I guess, is it expected to assume that some of this 12% is a reasonable run rate for now? Jostein Amdal: I think we will not give any kind of guiding on our cost ratio going forward. The best thing to mention is our target for next year, which is around 13%. Operator: And we will now take our next question from Thomas Svendsen from SEB. Thomas Svendsen: Yes. So a question to the pension operation from my side. So can you just explain a little bit more why you scrap this system? Are there any changes in -- sorry, your market approach or something other? And also just remind us of the business plan for your business -- for your pension units? And also, could you sort of indicate sort of what to expect to be sort of normalized pretax profit level given the current asset base there? Geir Holmgren: Okay. the reason for terminating the core system within the pension business is due to our needs and requirements regarding the business we have today regarding pension business and pension-related products. Our assessment is that we are not getting the full benefit out of the existing core system, which was terminated and that has developed during the years we have doing the development, I would say. So this is a conclusion on something we -- the kind of assessment and consideration we have done in the past. And our assessment is that this is not the right system for Gjensidige going forward, taking care of our pension business in the Norwegian market with all the kind of requirements needed for doing that efficiently and with high quality. Our pension business in Norway is when it comes to a more strategic view on that. It's a very integrated part of our commercial business, especially in the SME areas, we see that we are running this business very cost efficient when it comes to distribution. It's capital efficient as well due to the types of products we have in the pension business. And I'm very happy to see the growth we have had within that business during the last couple of years, and it's a very motivated organization to keep that up on a high level going forward as well. So we are focusing on occupational pension and are happy to see that the market has a high level of growth, which we definitely take our earned part. So yes, I think that's probably on the business side. Jostein Amdal: I can add on the kind of financial guiding. I mean we don't guide us on much, but we have stated a return on equity target for the pension business back in the Capital Market Day in November '23, where we said that based on IFRS earnings, which is the company accounts for the pension business, we need to -- or target to return more than 15% return on equity. And if you exclude this nonrecurring item, year-to-date, the return on equity is 20.7%. So we are well ahead of our stated financial targets for the pension business as a company. Geir Holmgren: And if you look at the accounts for IFRS 4 in that business, it's -- actually we had a very good quarter when it comes to underlying profitability, good growth on the income side, revenue side, and it's run very cost efficient as well. Operator: We'll now take our next question from the next caller, please introduce yourself by your name and the affiliation after the automated prompt. Unknown Analyst: This is [indiscernible] from Autonomous Research. Can you hear me? Geir Holmgren: Yes. Unknown Analyst: I have just one question just on solvency given the very strong progress year-to-date. I was wondering whether you could comment on where your preferences in terms of capital deployment currently lies in terms of whether you see some good M&A opportunities on the horizon or whether you are more leaning towards passing your capital and potentially repatriate some in the form of special dividend or share buyback? And then secondly, look to the capital situation, if you could comment on any update, if any, on the approval process for your own partial internal model? Geir Holmgren: Okay. Yes. I'm very happy with the capital position. We have a strong solvency number, 191, which is above our target interval. We are -- the Board will do their assessment when it comes to dividend at year-end. We are not aiming for having any kind of surplus capital within the group. So this is definitely a part of the consideration when doing the assessment of ordinary and extraordinary dividends by year-end. Yes. Jostein Amdal: And -- yes, on the process, really no update at this point, really, we are still in the process with Norwegian FSA. Unknown Analyst: And so if I could follow up. And there's nothing interesting on the M&A profit you see at the moment? Geir Holmgren: No, we are focused on organic growth in the business. So we are not considering any structural way of growing the business. We are happy with the position we have in Norway and improving the business we're having in Denmark by many operational measures, and that's our focus now. And yes. Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll now take our next question. Vinit Malhotra: This is Vinit from Mediobanca. So my one question would be just following up on your comment on the July weather effect driving the 1 to 2 points you mentioned on the underlying. I'm just curious, is there a similar explanation? Or is that the same explanation for commercial Denmark, which seems to have worsened about 4 points in the quarter when compared to 3Q '24, is there any comment on that you could share that also throw some light on what's happening there? Jostein Amdal: Thank you, Vinit. No, it's not related to the same cost. This is more just inherent quarterly volatility on our commercial book of business. So it's really specific explanation around it, we do see a somewhat increased level of both size and frequency of claims within that business, but nothing we regard as giving the indication of a future trend, so it's volatility. Operator: We'll move to our next question. Michele Ballatore: Yes. This is Michele Ballatore from KBW. So my question is related to the -- in general, the pricing regarding your comment earlier. So can you tell us what is the status of the -- your pricing, both in private and in commercial across Norway, Denmark and Sweden? Geir Holmgren: Starting with Norway. We have over time now, 2 years' time, we have had a quite heavily pricing measures going on, which also have increased the pricing level substantial -- substantially for both property and motor insurance. The average decrease within property was approximately 60% last year and promoter between 18% and 19%. The ongoing pricing measures are still having quite high price increases. But compared to what we have done in the past is a more moderate level, but we are talking about 12% to 13% price increases on average for property and motor insurance in Norway. That's above what we expect when it comes to inflation in the next 12 to 18 months, and it's about the frequency development. So -- but we have a very good and stable position in Norway, still high retention numbers and still I'm very happy to see our competitiveness in the Norwegian market, both on private and commercial side. When it comes to commercial, large parts of the portfolio have renewals at 1st of January. So we are preparing for that as well with quite high price increases due to what we have done in the types of considerations we are doing. In Denmark, we have price increases going on in the private segment. As I mentioned before, we have not been satisfied with the profitability in our private Danish business. We have had many, many quarters with red numbers. Happy to see that we have -- can pace of progress during second quarter and third quarter and cost profitability. But price increases are needed to improve that business in addition to cost measures and improving the cost efficiency of that business. On the commercial side, my opinion is that we have a very, very strong position in Denmark when it comes to our commercial business. We do have a good relationship with the main brokers. We have recognized brand name, a stable good portfolio. When it comes to results, it will be some kind of volatility from quarter-to-quarter, but our starting point going forward is at a very, very good level when it comes to our pricing power and our position in the commercial segment. And for Sweden yes, still ongoing pricing measures, I'm very happy to see that we have succeeded when it comes to improve our efficiency and to improve the way we are doing business with more digital solutions. And it's a small business, but we have -- but the business we have succeeded to improve profitability over time during the last couple of years, and I'm very happy to see that. Michele Ballatore: Sorry to follow up on Norway. If I understood correctly, you were talking about 12%, 13% price increases. I mean this is -- am I wrong in assuming I mean this is significantly above inflation. And you have, of course, quite sizable market share in Norway. But my point is, is this something -- I mean, is there the same level of discipline in the market? I'm just trying to understand what you're doing compared to what the market is doing in Norway, specifically? Geir Holmgren: Yes, good question. We started with repricing our private portfolio in Norway, third quarter 2 years ago. So it has been ongoing pricing measures above inflation now on -- during the last 2 years. My impression -- my view is that Gjensidige probably started that kind of price using pricing measures quite heavily, started that first in the Norwegian market. So we are actually a first mover when it comes to having the pricing measures. Yes. We still see that we have good pricing power. The retention rates are still high. We are prioritizing profitability before growth and used market situation, and you also see that our competitors are doing price increases that we are still continuing with quite high price increases as well. The pricing level you mentioned, that's correct. On average, 12.5% to 13% within motor property within private above inflation numbers as we see and frequency development, as we have seen in the past. So we also take care of the kind of claims mix which you will see from time to time when you get new cars in the market and different types of claims, and that would also change from quarter-to-quarter due to the weather conditions. Mitra Negård: Operator, are there any further questions? Operator: Yes, we have a question from Hans Rettedal. Hans Rettedal Christiansen: I guess it's a bit general, but I was just wondering sort of related to the previous question, do you see any effect from the price hikes that you've implemented now on customers, perhaps dropping coverage or changing coverage, changing terms of deductibles or any sort of movements on the customer side as an effect of kind of pricing having increased quite significantly over the past couple of years? Geir Holmgren: We spend more time with the customers now than we have done in the past due to everything that's happening in the market. But we also have a situation in Norway and in Denmark that we see quite high price increases due to what we have seen in the past. So the pricing discipline among our peers are at a high level as well. But this situation also makes the customer more -- doing more considerations regarding the insurance contracts, and they are checking prices more than had done in the past. But we don't see any negative impact on our business volume when it comes to that kind of activity. We still see that the retention numbers are still high. And I'm very satisfied with the level of customer satisfaction and customer loyalty. We do have in our -- especially our Norwegian portfolio. So my view is that we still have a very good pricing power when it comes to do all the necessary measures we have mentioned. Operator: And we have another follow-up question from Derald Goh from Jefferies. Derald Goh: The first one is a clarification. Could you say what are the rate increases that you're putting through in Denmark? Like what percentage is it? And how does it compete to the claims inflation in both private and commercial side of Denmark? And then could you maybe speak to how conservative you might be recognizing some of the margins? I think there are a few questions that has already being that the rate increases seem to be far outstripping the claims inflation number. Is it a case that maybe you are building up a bit of a reserve buffer? Jostein Amdal: I think on the first, what are the actual price or rate increases that we are putting through in Denmark, we haven't been as clear as we have been on the 2 main products in Private Norway, but we are looking at price increases that are well above our expected development in claims, which is a combination of claims inflation and number of claims, the claims frequency. So that's why what we're aiming for. And of course, as always, what we will get through will be a function also of the competitive situation there. And I remind you that our business is quite a lot larger in commercial than in private -- in Denmark, and we have very strong position within Commercial Denmark. We are looking at combined ventures at around 85%, 86%, depending on if you look at the quarter or year-to-date, which is a healthy profit. But we still continue to put through price increases above our expectations of the claims development. Operator: We have another follow-up question from Thomas Svendsen from SEB. Thomas Svendsen: Yes. This is Thomas again. So just on customer behavior in Private Norway. Is there -- this change in behavior by clients, do you see much more inbound call. Clients want to discuss the price? And also do you need to sort of get back to rescue clients that are leaving you? Is that an increased activity there within the net retention levels that you talk about? Geir Holmgren: We haven't seen any change this quarter compared to the last couple of quarters when it comes to that kind of activity. If you look at the number of customers, we are increasing the number of customers in our private portfolio in Norway compared to what we had year-end '24. So I'm very satisfied with the sales activity, distribution efficiency. But in all respect, we do talk more to customers during the last couple of quarters than we have done in the past due to all the high price increases, different types of customers meet across all insurance providers and for different insurance contracts. Jostein Amdal: I'll also remind you that the growth in Private Norway was although mainly price. We had an increase in the kind of the volume, the number of customers, as Geir mentioned, but also number of cars, houses, travel insurance policies and so on. So there's an underlying volume growth as well, although the main part of the growth is price driven. Operator: And we have another follow-up question from Mediobanca. Vinit Malhotra: Vinit from Mediobanca. The second question from me is on the inflation outlook, because I remember that we were all expecting you to provide an update on inflation in this quarter, and it appears to be unchanged versus Q2, whereas, obviously, in Q2, we heard you talk about reducing some of the price increases, and we see that in the numbers. So could you just comment that is this inflation being unchanged Q2 versus Q3, a surprise to you? And what are the drivers and are you still happy with lowering the price increase within Norway, even though inflation outlook is unchanged? Geir Holmgren: Starting with property in Norway, the actual inflation third quarter this year compared to -- or during the last 12 months was 4% and our expectation for the next 12 to 18 months is between 3% and 5%. That's a combination of repair cost and labor expenses in the property segment. We -- when it comes to motor, actual inflation in the last 12 months, around 4.4% expected. The next 12 to 18 months is quite big interval between 3% to 6% and the kind of uncertainties regarding trade barriers and what's happening in especially in the motor industry. And so it's a kind of a certainty, and that's the reason for having big interval as well when it comes to inflation, expected inflation going forward. But -- as mentioned, we are having pricing measures at the moment, which are definitely above the expected inflation, including also what you have seen on the frequency development in the past. Jostein Amdal: May I also add that remember that these are the what we tell you about are the price increases that are in place for policies that will be renewing now, whereas the accounting effect is a function also of all the price increases and the levels of price increase that we had over the last 12 months, which we have informed about every quarter, which have over the last 12 months, bit slightly higher than the ones we are currently putting through to the customers. So there's an overhang of kind of all the previous price increases now. And as Geir said, given that these price increases are higher than what we expect, at least as a future claims development, that should bode for a margin improvement also further down the road. Operator: And we have a new question from new caller, please introduce yourself and your affiliation. Unknown Analyst: It's Yulis from Autonomous Research. I was wondering if you could comment on the revenue growth dynamics in the near term. I mean, in the third quarter, your 13% year on growth was -- kind of helped by some one-off factors. At the same time, you're also -- because it can earn revenue, it's also benefiting and reflecting the higher rate increases that you implemented in the past year. So I was wondering whether that 13% is a sustainable level in the near term or whether it could potentially improve on the basis that it's reflecting the earned written premiums going forward? Jostein Amdal: First of all, I remind you that we talked about a onetime effect due to a change in principle on the home seller insurance. So the kind of current adjusted for currency, and that is 11.3%, which is kind of the level we report. And nonrecurring is, of course, not -- should not influence your forecast. So it's more like the 11%, which is based on the premiums that we have implemented over the last 12 months. And we've also given the growth numbers per segment. I think that is kind of the best way for you to try to predict what's going to happen. And we combined -- commented on the kind of effects on Commercial Denmark, which is 6.4%, rather than 4.4% in the currency, if you adjust for an accounting effect last year and also that the Swedish number due to the accruals is underlying a bit higher than what we have reported, which is 2.7%. So it's more in the 6%, 7% range as well. I think that is the building blocks you should probably use for your estimate of future revenue development. Operator: And we have another question, please caller introduce yourself. Qian Lu: It's Qian Lu, UBS. I just have one on the ongoing pricing measures in Norway, which slowed down quarter-on-quarter. I'm wondering if this is implying a more proactive strategy to enhance our competitiveness in the market and grow policy accounts? Or is it more of a reaction to increased competition in the market? And I guess related to this, given one of your peers has indicated that they plan to normalize price increases from next year onwards. I wonder how you are thinking about the time line for your price adjustments? Geir Holmgren: The price increases we are having at the moment and which are implemented as mentioned, it's above expected claims inflation and frequency development. The high level of price increases we have in the past is also a response on the frequency development we have seen during the last 2 years, especially on the motor side, but we have also seen some more volatility regarding property insurance, high number of fires in some quarters, more water-related claims and so on. So we have -- that's the reason in the past for doing quite heavily pricing measures and to improve the profitability, which was weaker going 2 years back. Going forward, I'm not in a position, where I can comment on future price increases due to antitrust and competition rules. But we are only commenting on what we're doing and have done at the moment, and we are still having price increases, which is above frequency development and inflation numbers. And we don't expect the frequency development we have seen in the past. We don't expect that to continue in the kind of way it has done during the last couple of years, but we have seen especially -- for instance, on the motor side, we have seen in the last quarter, underlying development on the frequency side is between 1% and 2%, and we still expect to have some kind of frequency development also for motor going forward, but not at certain levels we have seen during the last 2 years. Operator: And appears there are currently no further questions in the queue. With this, I will like to hand the call back over to Mitra for closing remarks. Over to you, ma'am. Mitra Negård: Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for good questions. We will be participating in roadshow meetings and a seminar during the next few weeks, starting with Oslo today and London next week. Please see our financial calendar on the website for more details. So with that, thank you for your attention, and have a nice day.
Operator: Welcome to the Trelleborg Q3 2025 report presentation. [Operator Instructions] Now I will hand the conference over to CEO, Peter Nilsson; and CFO, Fredrik Nilsson. Please go ahead. Peter Nilsson: Hello, everybody. Peter Nilsson speaking. Welcome all of you to this Q3 of 2025 results. What we're going to give you some of our, let's say, input on how the quarter developed. Joining me on this call is also Fredrik Nilsson, our Group CFO; and also Christofer Sjögren, who is heading our Investor Relations. So as usual, we're going to refer to a slide deck from our web page. And then on that, turning to Page 2 on that section, the agenda slide and a normal starting with some general highlights, some comments on the business areas, and then Fredrik's going to guide us through the financials and then finishing off with a summary and some comments on the outlook for the running quarter. And then finally, ending our call with a Q&A session. So that's the agenda for this call this morning. Turning then to Page 3. Heading of our report, organic growth with higher margin. So a solid quarter in more or less all aspects, the development in the right direction in more or less all aspects, sales ending up relatively flat compared to last year in Swedish krona, an increase of 1%. But behind this, a very solid organic growth, plus 4%, which is something we have not seen for quite some time. M&A also benefiting. We have done several acquisitions, several smaller bolt-on acquisitions here in the last 12 months. And that is, of course, also bringing in some sales. So that is adding 3%. And then we have a currency headwind, well known by everybody, which is 6% in the quarter, which is then once again ending up with a 1% on the total sales. EBITDA also up and also with an improved margin, which is an all-time high margin and results for the third quarter. We are, let's say, a notch above 18% EBITDA margin in the quarter. And this is, as I already said, it's a stronger third quarter to date for us, both in terms of profit and margins. So solid. And I mean, the great thing, you're going to see later also is coming from all business areas. We have a substantial negative FX on EBITDA, almost SEK 100 million or SEK 90 million, bringing us in the wrong direction, if you may say. Items affecting comparability running as planned, relatively high level this year, but also coming from this rather high number of acquisitions, which is then kind of creating opportunities to improve the structure and then make sure we get all the benefits from these acquisitions as we move forward. Cash flow, very strong. I mean, we have to admit, surprisingly strong ending of the quarter on the cash flow, which, of course, is going to bounce back a little bit here in Q4. But nevertheless, we are happy to have the money in our pockets instead of sitting somewhere else. So very solid cash flow, which is, of course, yes, creating a stronger balance sheet and overall, a better business. We've done a smaller acquisition, small but important acquisition in Singapore called Masterseals, which is an acquisition which is strengthening a little bit, oil and gas markets and generally more in the kind of aftermarket-related segments of Sealing Solutions, which is an area which we are developing at the moment, an area we're growing into kind of a global business for us. Also note, continued share buyback on a level slightly north of SEK 500 million being spent on share buybacks in the quarter. So this is the quarter. This is what it is. And I mean, overall, once again, a solid quarter. So turning then to the next page, Page 4, where you see new slide for us, which I hope you will give some more input on the sales split per geography, which I don't going to comment that much on. But we also, more importantly, we see organic growth in all 3 major geographical areas, with Europe for us being the softest, slightly better in Americas, 5% organic growth in Americas, which is kind of on a high level, driven a little bit by project deliveries, but that's the way it is. But nevertheless, good solid quarter and a very solid quarter also for Asia, then particularly strong in China for us. But overall, strong in Asia and kind of a little bit bounce back in Americas and then Europe a little bit softer. So this is the -- and in all areas or levels, which, I mean, we have not seen for some time, especially if you talk both Americas and Europe while Asia continues on a good level, as you've seen throughout the year for Trelleborg. Turning to Page 5, the agenda slide, business areas and then quickly turning to Page 6 with some more detailed comments on Industrial Solutions, organic growth and we say stable margin, a slight uptick in margin. Organic sales 2%; M&A, adding 4%. And then, of course, also, as others here, a negative exchange rate of some 6%. Also behind these figures, we see oil and gas project declined in the quarter, sales declined in the quarter, but that is mainly due to a rather tough year-on-year comparison. Overall market still developing well and a very solid cash flow. But some of these sales is rather project heavy. It is that it sometimes goes a little up a little bit and sometimes it will be down and this quarter was a little bit down in the sales, but it's not -- once again, it's not a reflection of overall lower activity in this part of the business. Construction industry is still muted but we noted satisfaction that is getting slightly better if you look sequentially, although still, let's say, quite strong decline if we compare year-on-year. But once again, some light in the tunnel and some improvements kicking in. Automotive sales increased in the quarter. I mean it's been a little bit -- how should I say a little bit strange quarter, if I may say, for automotive. Those of you following automotive, you see that it's still relatively tough sales in Europe and North America, while China was extraordinary in the quarter, which as I said, 10% plus organic growth. And I mean, the business that we have in Industrial Solutions has a very good market share in China. And that is where we benefit from this. So we have actually a strong development in automotive within Industrial Solutions in this quarter. And then EBITDA and margin improved slightly. I mean Industrial Solutions is a fairly diverse business, and there are some ups and downs always. But overall, we continue to move in the right direction. We continue to improve. It's not major steps. It's a hard work coming from kind of operational focus and also some of the structural investment, structural improvements kicking in. Overall, a good quarter, well managed in more or less all aspects. And then we also should note that when we look at the margin here, this acquisitions that we've been doing is on a lower margin than the overall, and we have some tens of a percent negative kicking in for that. It could be -- I don't know, looking at Fredrik, 0.3%, 0.5% on the margin actually coming from kind of this acquisition kicking in and it will take us a year or so before we can get them back to the overall margin of Industrial Solutions. But that is also something that you need to note when you look at the margin development within Industrial Solutions. Turning to Page 7. Trelleborg Medical Solutions, strong organic sales growth. Organic sales is up by 13%. M&A, not doing any changes, so 0 impact from that. But we have to note here as well that we have some project deliveries related to one of our major customers, which is, let's say, boosting the sales dramatically -- in the sales. I mean, if you look underlying and try to kind of neglect these organic sales, I mean the more correct probably underlying organic sales is more in the kind of mid-single-digit territory. Medtech sales, we see also medtech sales in Europe developing well. North America, where we still -- struggle is the wrong word, but we still see some negative development where we still have some inventory issues. We don't see the overall activity going down, but we still see our sales is a little bit below where it should be. So we are pretty certain that we're still impacted by inventory reductions especially in North America, which we have been for some time, and we honestly, we believe that it's going to turn the corner, but we see it continuous. It is difficult to really see through exactly when it will turn, but we continue to gain business. We continue to gain orders, and we are overall satisfied with the development, even though the sales, we would like to sell more, of course, in Americas as well going forward. Life Science, which is kind of the smaller segment of medical, is developing, if I may say, very nice, and we are growing that. And we are starting -- we have been investing in that segment with new factories, both in North America and in Europe, and with satisfaction, we see that these investments is slowly, let's say, benefiting us, and that is an area also where we see continued growth going forward. EBIT margin up and also, let's say, in absolute terms, we have EBITDA up. I mean there's higher volumes, as you expect, but also continuous structure improvements, especially starting to benefit from -- continuing to benefit from this acquisition of Baron that was made, let's say, a year ago now. Turning then to Page 8, Sealing Solutions. If I may say, very solid organic growth in the quarter coming from several areas. But I mean, if I should highlight something, it's really that we have underlying kind of industrials, the big kind of industrial segment of TSS is starting to do better. We see now growth in Europe kicking in. Asia continued on a good level, which has been good for us for quite some time. We continue to see some weakness in North America. But overall, these core segments of Sealing Solutions improved in the quarter. Both in sales and also kind of a higher activity level. Automotive for TSS is still below last year, particularly still impacted by, let's say, very soft development, very soft development in the aftermarket business. And we cannot -- I mean, it's not like the aftermarket in itself is down. It's more that we see very, let's say, uncertainty, especially in the North American market, this is -- we see that they are downsizing. In stock, inventories is down, and we do expect it to kick back. But also here, we don't know exactly when, but it is kind of we are supplying substantially below the market demand for a few quarters here, and we do expect that to bounce back eventually. We note in automotive here as well as we also commented on TSS, a very good development in China. We have a good market share for some of the products, in TSS, especially that's our shim business, our brake business has a solid market share in China. And of course, we are benefiting from that as the Chinese market has been developing very, very good in the quarter. Aerospace, very strong all over. We continue to, let's say, get more orders than we sell. So let's say, order book is growing and the activity level is growing. Of course, we note, as a trusted -- the ones of you was following aerospace that's about Airbus and Boeing is very ambitious in the growth plans going forward, and we, of course, do our best to follow that. So good development in aerospace. And overall, this means that EBITDA and margin is improving, higher production volumes kicking in. We have been underproducing for some time. And we see also the benefits from the operational improvements, but we also have to note also here we have a negative impact from acquisitions being made, which is kind of the same dimension as we see in Industrial Solutions, some 0.3%, 0.5% negative impact on the margin if we were trying to kind of adjust for the acquisitions. But we're doing the acquisitions, of course, because we believe they are good for us and they are improving the business overall, but it will take some time to get all business improvements into the margin. Already commented on the Masterseals acquisition in Singapore that is part of small acquisition, but it's part of an overall game plan to strengthen our activity within, let's say, aftermarket for seals and especially related to oil and gas and mining and other segments, which is more kind of project-related where you need, to say, local presence in order to get this business into our books. So that's -- we're happy to be that, and we think it's a good strategic add-on, although once again on a very minor level compared to the overall sales of Trelleborg. Turning to Page 9, some comments on sustainability, continue to improve substantially. I mean, we say here, we are not getting to the end of the game, but we are getting down to levels of CO2 emissions from our Scope 1 and Scope 2, which is kind of becoming very low. We're, of course, going to continue to improve. We continue to do better also in this aspect. But I mean, do not expect these kind of improvements steps going forward. Next page, Page 10 and it's basically the same here, where we have a substantial tick up in share of renewable and fossil-free electricity. We are now up to 92%. And I mean the remainder here is very difficult because in some geographies, you actually cannot get it, and we are getting also here to a situation where we cannot improve that much anymore to you on this because we are, let's say, stopped either but by very major investments to turn it around or that is simply not available in a few geographies. So very good development, very happy to show this. There was continued good development in sustainability, and we are doing good in these aspects. And I mean, once again, the focus -- we cannot improve on this criteria. So the focus going forward will be more smaller steps and more kind of what we call say, energy excellence programs. We'll be working hard with all the factories in order to improve and to do better in more minor aspects. So these big steps, you will not see these big steps going forward, but we're getting to a situation. I don't say it being perfect, but we're getting to a level where we cannot justify the final steps to get it even better. Turning then to agenda slide again, Page 11, financials on Page 12. I'll leave it over to Fredrik to guide us through this section. Fredrik Nilsson: Thank you, Peter. Let's then start on Page 12, looking at the sales development. Reported net sales increased by 1% from SEK 8.442 billion to EUR 8.532 billion. We have organic sales growth in all 3 business areas in total 4%. Structural changes added 3% growth in the quarter. And then as Peter mentioned, we have negative translation effects that reduced growth by 6% during the quarter. If we then move to Page 13, showing historical sales growth. In the third quarter, we were close to our sales growth targets, achieving 7% sales growth at constant FX. Looking at Page 14, showing the quarterly sales and rolling 12 for continuing operations. The sales in the quarter, as I said, reached SEK 8.5 billion at net rolling 12 months, it's reached SEK 34.7 billion. Moving on to Page 15, looking at the EBITA and the EBITA margin, that continued to improve further. EBITA excluding items affecting comparability, increased by 5% to SEK 1.541 billion in the third quarter. We saw profit growth in all 3 business areas. And looking at -- we start with Industrial Solutions, which was up 1% in EBITA due to operational structure improvements, which was partly offset by negative translation effects. And then Medical Solutions, up 10% in the quarter. And then finally, Sealing Solutions was up 6% in the quarter due to higher production volumes and operational improvements. And margin-wise, we rose from 17.3% up to 18.1%, supported by the organic volume growth and the operational improvements. Looking at then the EBITA and EBITA margin on a rolling 12 months basis. EBITA amounted to SEK 6.331 billion with a margin of 18.2% and EBITA has been growing with 6% during the last 12 months. Moving on to profit and loss statement. Looking into some more details in the income statements, items that are affecting comparability, SEK 72 million in the quarter, which was entirely related to restructuring costs for adjusting our cost base and due to the recent acquisition. Financial net I would say, on par compared to last year, SEK 126 million compared to SEK 128 million. This is actually despite that the debt level is higher this year. So that is also a good achievement. Tax rate for the quarter, excluding items affecting comparability, amounted to 26%, a slight increase due to timing. Page 18, earnings per share, excluding items affecting comparability, amounted to SEK 4.20 in the quarter and increased by 11%, and that was due to the higher profitability and the effect of the ongoing share buyback program. And for the group, including items affecting comparability, earnings per share were up SEK 3.94, also 11% up. Moving on to Page 19. As Peter mentioned, we have a very strong cash flow in the quarter, which reached SEK 1.741 billion. On a high level, half of the improvement came from the higher EBITDA and the rest from efficient management of the working capital. CapEx is well aligned with the communicated guidelines for the full year but marginally higher than Q3 last year. Moving on to Page 20, the cash flow conversion. The cash flow conversion was 92%. So we continue to deliver a high cash conversion ratio. Moving on Page 21, the gearing and the leverage development. Net debt at the end of the quarter at SEK 8.280 billion. Share buyback during the quarter was SEK 554 million, ended the quarter with a debt-to-equity ratio at 22%. So small improvement compared to Q2. And then net debt in relation to EBITDA, 1.1, which was slightly higher than year-end. But of course, we have also paid out a dividend during the second quarter, and we have continued the share buyback program. In other words, our balance sheet remains strong. Moving on to Page 22, return on capital employed reached 12% for the quarter, and our capital employed has increased compared to last year mainly due to the acquisitions, but I think also I would like to note that our return on capital employed has sequentially increased for Q2 to Q3. And then finally, the financial guidelines for 2025, unchanged compared to what we communicated after our second quarter CapEx, SEK 1.650 billion for the full year, restructuring costs around SEK 500 million for the full year as well. Amortization of intangibles, SEK 650 million and underlying tax rate for the full year around 25%. And by that, I would like to hand back the microphone to Peter. Peter Nilsson: Thank you. Agenda slide, summary and outlook. Quickly turning to Page 25. Looking at the quarter, organic growth with higher margins, good quarter overall, but it picked out a few highlights. We see in the quarter in improved -- generally an improved demand, higher activity levels or continued high activity level in some areas. We see an improvement in that. And we also note with satisfaction, of course, that all our 3 business areas recorded organic growth in the quarter, which has been quite some time since we saw that the last time. So overall, better activity, although not kind of a big jump upwards. But nevertheless, improvements in most areas. We also note that these higher sales is also improving our margins. We have a fairly sizable uptick in the margin year-on-year. And it then boils down to the strongest quarter -- strongest third quarter to date, both in terms of profit and margin. We also note that we continue to do value -- what we call value-adding M&A, although impact, this is our 10th bolt-on acquisitions since Q3 last year. And of course, this is a high activity level in [indiscernible] we said before, is impacting our margin negatively in Sealing Solutions and Industrial Solutions, but we are, at the same time, improving our overall positions, and we are very certain that this -- when that's fully integrated, there will not be a drain on the margin or rather the opposite, but it takes some time to get there. And we also note that continue buybacks, we continue to have a solid balance sheet, which is, let's say, allowing us both to continue on high CapEx level, continue to do M&A, continue to absorb the growth, which is in the quarter in terms of working capital, but also on top of that, we also continue to do share buybacks. So that was the summary and then turning to -- for the last quarter and then turning to Page 26 and some outlook. We expect the demand to remain on this level. For those of you who have read the reports see that we have this extraordinary sales or project sales within medical, we were not going to kick in. So with this outlook, you should read it that the continued overall demand, we might be -- we don't know exactly, as we otherwise were sitting exactly where we end up. But of course, we believe that this is probably not going to be of north of 4% in the next quarter, but we could be a 1 percentage point or some lower than 4%, but we believe it's going to be on a similar level. And I mean if this continued higher activity level, remain, then we will look with more positivism on the future. But with this comment, of course, also, we all know there is a big year -- still a big, what we call political situation or geopolitical challenges out there and things might happen, which could impact the demand short term. So that is, of course, with this comment on the continued good market, it comes with this kind of comment. And then turning to Page 27 agenda and into the final agenda point and turning to Page 28 and opening up for questions. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Alexander Jones from BofA. Alexander Jones: If I can have two please. The first on Sealing Solutions and specifically the Industrial business within that, you talked about higher growth this quarter. Could you help us understand was that broad-based or the particular end markets within Industrial driving that? And to what extent was that the end market improving or more market share gains and innovation success that you've had as Trelleborg? And then the second question, if I can, just on the Medical business. Can I clarify on the one-off project sales this quarter. Is there any element there have pulled forward that will be reversed in future quarters? Or is that just sort of one-off extra sales that we should not extrapolate in our future numbers? Peter Nilsson: Alexander, talking -- starting with the medical one, I mean that is really a startup of a new program for one of our customers, which is a one-off delivery. So it's not really about impacting the future. So it's not kind of a pull from any future sales. It's simply sales in the quarter due to the [indiscernible] starting new programs. So that is kind of the way it is sometimes, but it's not kind of any forward buying or something, it's simply a one-off sales. So nothing really that we need -- we don't expect it to -- yes, to impact the sales going forward. So that's it. And then if you talk about Industrial, I mean, one thing is also on the industrial sales of Sealing, which you've seen in the quarter, I mean we have been, for quite a few quarters, talking about destocking in these activities. So one of the impacts in the quarter is no more destocking, and we are kind of supplying in line with underlying demand. I mean, so that is one of the impacts. But we don't see still as an inventory buildup, but we still believe that there is supplying. But we are not kind of oversupplying in the way that they are building stock. And I mean -- and the core driver for this is kind of the biggest subsegment, if I say in Sealing, which is more hydraulics, machinery and this kind of core industrial business. That is where we see the improvements. So we're not surprised, I shouldn't say we're surprised because it's been undersupplying for a few quarters. And now we feel that we're supplying in line with the overall demand. So I don't know whether that is enough for you. Alexander Jones: Yes, that's very helpful. . Operator: The next question comes from Agnieszka Vilela from Nordea. Agnieszka Vilela: So I have a few questions, maybe starting with the first one on the growth trajectory in the quarter, if you could share any flavor of how was development in September? And then also, how is it progressing in October? And then also, Peter, I think before you used to refer to your order intake. So how is that developing right now for you? Peter Nilsson: I mean there was an improvement throughout the quarter, but also the trick on Q3 September is always important. Since the other 2 months is a little bit impacted by vacation period. So it was kind of an acceleration in the quarter, so a stronger ending than beginning in the quarter, but we don't, let's say, put too much emphasis on that one. But it is kind of an improvement in the quarter, if I may say. And October, I mean, we don't see any kind of differences and we don't really want to comment on it. So it's really overall guidance remains that we believe is going to be same growth in Q4 with, let's say, some adjustments coming from this extraordinary sales in Medical. So my read this, I mean it might be 4, it might be 3. But I mean, we don't really know. We have an overall good order intake. We have overall good activity level. I mean, we should say book-to-bill in the quarter is positive. We have booked more orders in Q3 than we have been selling. So we are growing the order book. But we also remain a little bit cautious on this because we know there is inventory focus, cash flow focus on some customers. So we don't really want to read too much into it. But if we simply did the Excel sheet calculation, then of course, we will, let's say, be more positive than negative in that one. I don't know whether that is enough, Agnieszka. Agnieszka Vilela: Yes, yes, absolutely. But then maybe if you could give us some color on the regional development as well. Obviously, you have -- you have had very strong development in Asia, now followed by Americas, Europe also now slightly positive. In the next few quarters, do you expect any changes to this order like any other -- any region taking over? Peter Nilsson: No. I mean I think Asia, little bit, has been a little bit extraordinary strong, especially in automotive since we have this big boost. I can't remember exactly, but I think production levels in China for automotive was up by some 12%, 13%. So that's, of course, since we have a high -- good position with a few of our automotive segment, that is benefiting us, but also the overall industrial development in Asia, especially in China has been good for us, somewhat difficult to fully understand, to be honest, but it's been ongoing for quite a few quarters, and we do not expect that to be -- of course, comps getting more difficult going forward. But nevertheless, a good development in there. Europe is probably more tricky in a way to read. But we see -- I mean, in the core, as I commented before, the core Industrial segments of TSS is improving. And that is more -- part of it is a reflection that no more destocking and more of kind of delivery in line with underlying demand. We do not see any kind of inventory buildup at the moment, and that is, of course, if it turns more positive, we will see that as well. So we've been undersupplying for a few quarters. We do expect as the market -- if the markets turn more positive that we will be oversupplying. But we don't really see that happening short term. But if you go into early next year and this development continues, we're probably going to have some of that. U.S. is probably, for us, a little bit more positive than it should be because we have a few project deliveries in U.S., which is kind of impacting the sales there. But nevertheless, let's say, for us, a good positive territory also coming there from kind of hydraulics and the pneumatic segments, which is also a part of our core business in North America for Sealing. I guess that is -- I don't know, Fredrik, if you want to elaborate. I think that is kind of just to be a little bit more color for that development. Agnieszka Vilela: That's very helpful. And then the last one from me. I noticed that you didn't really mention the tariff impact in your report or in your presentation. Was there any kind of growth tariffs now affecting you in the quarter and how are you mitigating those? Peter Nilsson: We have a few individual businesses where we need to kind of redo the supply chain and working with that. But I mean, overall, this kind of minor activity. So that is why we don't see that as a kind of impacting us. We have a very regional setup. We have as I said, manufacturing in Asia, we have manufacturing in Europe, we have manufacturing in the U.S., and we don't really have a lot of these flows going across. I mean, the challenge here is more the metal content where we need to find out. We have a few products, but we have metal content, and that is something where we need to work. And that is also our question going forward on these tariffs in Europe because some of the export business from Europe into other territories might be impacted by that. But it kind of remains an action point and that is something we're working on. But overall, on a group level, we don't see this at any topic in a way, to be honest. Underlying demand could be impacted, I mean to say. But I mean for our trading and margins, it's not really something that we discuss too much. Operator: The next question comes from Forbes Goldman from Pareto Securities. Forbes Goldman: Yes. One question on the TSS margin, which was quite strong here in the quarter. Is this the start of a sustained recovery there? And how are you thinking about the 23% target from here? What do you sort of need to reach it? Peter Nilsson: No. I mean it is a solid, let's say, step in the right direction. Looking at the margin, of course, once again, you need to remind yourself as well that we have also a negative impact from the acquisitions. Of course, it is a step up compared to last year. And we have always said that we're going to get this back to our levels and is kind of step in that direction. And then I don't want to guide exactly what kind of quarter, but it is coming as expected, as planned, if I may say, this margin expansion coming from a little bit bounce back in our core segments of TSS. I mean that is what we've been waiting for. Once again, we refer to this kind of fluid power, hydraulics, pneumatics, that segment, which is the major part of Sealing Solutions, and that is the area which is going to drive this improvement by extra volumes. And also in that extra volumes in the right areas, if I may say, because it's also driving kind of a positive mix within Sealing Solutions. So this is a step in the right direction, and we still have the kind of overall objective to get back to this, say, '22, '23, '24. I mean that is where we want it to be. And we are fairly certain that we are moving in that direction. Forbes Goldman: Great. I have a follow-up on that. TSS margins are typically seasonally weaker during the second half of the year. So could you maybe just say anything directionally about Q4? Peter Nilsson: No, we don't want to do. I mean, we are moving in the right direction, and we are -- of course. I mean TSS is more, should I say, consumable where we supply into the supply chains of a large number of industrial customers. And I mean there is always Christmas breaks and all of that. So it's always a bit softer by the end of the year depending on the activity level that they're planning for after the holidays. And that is the same seasonality as we always have. So it's -- I don't know if we can comment any more on that. I don't think so. I mean that is the way it is. Forbes Goldman: Final follow-up. On the restructuring cost, it looks like quite a big step-up here into Q4. Anything in particular happening there? Fredrik Nilsson: No, nothing really. It's more a timing. So there are some projects that we have worked with for a while, and that will be booked as restructuring costs during the fourth quarter. Operator: The next question comes from Hampus Engellau from Handelsbanken. Hampus Engellau: Could we discuss organic growth on the group level and I guess also in Sealing Solutions, if you would remove Automotive, just to get a sense on how the underlying ex autos is moving, given that we have an opinion on autos going forward? Peter Nilsson: Automotive in Sealing Solutions was not positive. So that is something where we -- because they are severely hit, but they are hit by specialist aftermarket dropped for our brake business. So that is kind of negative. So I mean, if you neglect for Automotive, in Sealing Solutions, is actually going to be even better. So that is the one. We are benefiting from the China OE sales, but that is in no way compensating for the drop in the aftermarket business. But for TSS, I mean it's not a major impact, to be honest, but there is a slight positive in Industrial Solutions in this -- what we call our boots business, where we have a very strong market share in China as well. So that is where we are benefiting. But I mean it's neglectable in a way if you look at Industrial because it's not a major business of Industrial Solutions, but it is positive. So that's one. So the underlying kind of non-automotive organic growth in Sealing Solutions is actually slightly better. Hampus Engellau: Excellent. And do you bear giving some indications on how you see autos -- autos part in Sealing maybe for Q4. I guess you presume you're looking at the S&P numbers and also have an opinion on aftermarket? Peter Nilsson: On the aftermarket -- sorry, your... Hampus Engellau: Yes. I guess on fetching for if you're expecting some contribution in Q4. Peter Nilsson: To be honest on that, we are a little bit surprised that it continued on this low level. It's not that people are kind of changing less brakes. And the only thing we can read into this that there is where we have some carriers, we have some metal content in those and some of our aftermarket customers are kind of reluctant to build. Also, when they order from us in Europe, and we are sending to U.S., it takes 6 to 8 weeks. And it seems like they are not buying, they're not speculating. But of course, the stock is going down and eventually, they need to fill it up. So that is -- I mean, where we are a little bit surprised, to be honest, about this rather dramatic drop in aftermarket, which is not -- I mean, it's not that either that they can buy from anybody else. They need to buy from us and because we are specified and we are kind of regional equipment suppliers, and so that is kind of a strange, which we have now seen for 2, 3 quarters -- 2, 3 quarters. So that is something where we don't fully understand. I mean sometimes you try to understand, but sometimes you cannot get the right answers, but it cannot continue on that. I mean, let's put it, you cannot continue on that level, unless people are neglecting, not changing brakes anymore. Operator: The next question comes from Timothy Lee from Barclays. Timothy Lee: I have a follow-up question on margin. So for Sealing Solutions, there's definitely a very good margin development in the quarter. Can I also say that it is implying some synergies that you get finally from the previous acquisition of MRP. Is it something that kicking in the quarter. And also in terms of the -- your previous target of the 20% run rate EBITDA -- EBITA margin by the end of this fiscal year. Is that still something you are looking for? Peter Nilsson: To talk about synergies, of course. I mean we have always said on MRP that I mean some of the major impact is coming from the hydraulics fluid power segment. And as that now we see finally some improvements in that. Of course, we're getting some benefits from that into the figures. But I mean it's -- MRP is getting more into normal business for us. So it's not really synergies as such. It's more that the market segments, which was strengthened by the MRP has been very soft. And now we see these markets getting back. And then, of course, we get the benefit into the figure. But we are not at the end of that one because it still has to go up. It should still -- I don't know exactly the figures, but we are probably still some 15% or something below kind of the levels where we believe it should be in that particular segment. So that is still at a low activity and especially you're talking about the farming in U.S., you look at little bit construction equipment, which is still, especially the agriculture looks still very soft. And that, of course, we're starting -- if you talk to the new administration in the U.S., I don't know -- it's difficult to kind of guess where they're heading. But one of the areas which I have not been kind of supporting yet and which have been suffering is, of course, the farmers in U.S. So if something comes into that area, we should see even better improvements, especially in that segment. About 20% is still within reach, but I mean it's going to be tough to get there, I mean, to be very open to get to that level here already in Q4, but we are moving in the right direction. And we still see that with the reach in a not-too-distant future. But I mean I shouldn't sit here and say that we can get to 20% in Q4, because that has been -- there has been some market development. We know the tariff situation. We know the geopolitical areas and we know this kind of softness still in the construction and, let's say, still -- yes, quite some distance to go before we are back to normal, especially in this fluid power, which is once again the major segment of Sealing Solutions. Timothy Lee: Understood. Very helpful. And my another question would be on your M&A potential. So Continental actually previously mentioned, they could probably look for the divestments of the ContiTech business. I'm not sure whether you can comment on this or whether it is something that you may see interest or if it's in your M&A portfolio? Peter Nilsson: Yes. I mean the overall ContiTech is definitely a lot of interest for us because the majority of the ContiTech business has no -- I would say, we are in the same overall segment. But if you look at their conveyer belts or timing belts or also this what I call surface solutions. I mean it's nothing to do with that. We have some overlap in terms of nonautomotive anti-vibration and some fluid or [indiscernible], which, of course, we will be interested if we could cherry-pick, but I don't think there will be any kind of cherry-pick possibilities. So I mean, we're watching it. We're looking at it. But overall, ContiTech is a not of interest for us. Operator: There are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments. Peter Nilsson: Thank you. And thanks for listening in our quarterly call. And summary of a good quarter for us, a good organic growth, good margin development and an improved demand throughout the quarter. We still note that there is still a lot of uncertainty in the, let's say, the global arena. And that is, of course, something we're watching, but we feel confident that we're going to continue to improve Trelleborg, and continue to build a better Trelleborg with ambition, of course, to deliver even better figures going forward. So thanks to all of you, and I am happy to support you in individual calls. Christofer is always available and so are Fredrik and myself, if you want any follow-up discussions or get some clarity on other issues not covered in the call. So thanks again, and see you soon and do take care.
Operator: Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining the Financial Institutions, Inc. Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. My name is Lucy, and I'll be coordinating your call today. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to hand over to your host, Kate Croft, Director of Investor Relations, to begin. Please go ahead. Kate Croft: Thank you for joining us for today's call. Providing prepared comments will be President and CEO, Martin Birmingham and CFO, Jack Plants. They will be joined by additional members of the company's leadership team during the question-and-answer session. Today's prepared comments and Q&A will include forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from forward-looking statements due to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors. We refer you to yesterday's earnings release and investor presentation as well as historical SEC filings, which are available on our Investor Relations website for a safe harbor description and a detailed discussion of the risk factors relating to forward-looking statements. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures intended to supplement and not substitute for comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to GAAP financial measures were provided in the earnings release filed as an exhibit to Form 8-K or in our latest investor presentation, available on our IR website, www.fisi-nvestors.com. Please note that this call includes information that may only be accurate as of today's date, October 24, 2025. I will now turn the call over to President and CEO, Marty Birmingham. Martin Birmingham: Thank you, Kate. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Our company reported strong third quarter 2025 financial results marked by balance sheet growth, robust revenue generation, improved profitability metrics and meaningful build of tangible and regulatory capital. Our teams delivered growth on both sides of the balance sheet, including loan growth of 1.2%, driven by commercial lending in our Upstate New York market and a 3.9% increase in total deposits as seasonal increases of public deposits were supported by growth of core nonpublic deposits in our commercial and consumer business lines. Record quarterly net interest income and increased noninterest income led to net income available to common shareholders of $20.1 million or $0.99 per diluted share for the third quarter. These earnings translated to return on average assets and equity of 132 basis points and 13.31%, respectively, both up notably from the linked and year ago periods. Based on our strong year-to-date performance, we are making several upward revisions to our full year 2025 guidance and tightening some ranges previously provided. Among these changes are updates to profitability metrics, including return on average assets and return on average equity. We now expect ROAA for the year to exceed 115 basis points, up from our previous guide of 110 basis points and an ROAE of greater than 12%, up from 11.25%. Given our team's continued execution, along with the opportunities we see in our markets across business lines, we would expect to raise the bar for profitability again next year as we target incremental improvement in returns through 2026. We laid out loan growth of between 1% and 3% at the start of the year amid an uncertain economic environment. Given the strength of our performance year-to-date, we expect to achieve the high end of this range. As a reminder, our loan growth guide also reflects our expectations for consumer indirect loan balances to remain relatively flat year-over-year. with growth being driven by our commercial franchise. To that end, total commercial loans of about $3 billion reflect an increase of 1.6% from June 30, 2025, and 8.3% from September 30, 2024. Commercial business loans increased 2% during the third quarter of 2025, reflecting both new originations and increased line utilization which may come down in the fourth quarter. Commercial mortgage loans were up 1.5% from the end of the linked quarter and up 8% year-over-year. Third quarter commercial growth was driven by our upstate New York markets, including C&I activity in the Syracuse region and CRE in Rochester. In the Syracuse market, we continue to see expanding opportunities fueled by Micron Technologies' $100 billion investment in our region. For example, our Syracuse team recently closed a notable deal supporting the expansion of medical office space within close proximity to Micron's Central New York semiconductor site. Our pipelines remain strong across upstate New York markets, and we believe that we'll be able to maintain momentum heading into 2026 and as pent-up demand for credit is likely to be released with future rate cuts. Turning to consumer lending. Our indirect portfolio rebounded nicely in the third quarter on the heels of softer second quarter originations. Consumer indirect balances of $838.7 million at September 30 increased 0.6% from June 30 and were down 4.1% year-over-year. As a reminder, we are a prime lending operation with more than 350 reputable new auto dealers across New York State. Credit extension is for individual vehicle purchases, not floor planned financing, and we stay within a well-defined credit box, resulting in a portfolio with a weighted average FICO store exceeding 700. This portfolio's small average loan size of about 20,000 provides natural risk dispersion. Residential lending was up modestly from the end of the linked quarter and flat to the year ago period. The housing market remains tight in the Rochester and Buffalo regions and home prices have continued to increase, particularly in Rochester. That said, new listings and inventory are up on a year-over-year basis in both regions, which is promising. Our pipelines also look healthy heading into the fourth quarter and mortgage and home equity applications are up 12% and 11% year-over-year, respectively. Turning to credit quality. Annualized net charge-offs to average loans for the quarter of 18 basis points were half the level we reported in the linked quarter and relatively in line with the 15 basis points recorded in the third quarter of 2024. In the third quarter, we recovered approximately $400,000 related to a previously charged off construction loan associated with a historic property in our Rochester market. Our consumer indirect charge-off ratio was 91 basis points in the most recent quarter, up seasonally from the linked period but down from the third quarter of last year. This remains comfortably within our historic range, reflecting the prime lending nature of our indirect business. While we experienced 2 basis point increase in our ratio of nonperforming loans to total loans to 74 basis points at September 30, 2025. This is down notably from 94 basis points 1 year ago. We continue to work through the 2 commercial relationships that have made up the majority of nonperformers for the past several quarters. The $1.5 million increase in total nonperforming loans during the third quarter relates to 4 smaller commercial loan downgrades, each in different industries and geographies facing unique issues. Accordingly, this is not indicative of a downward trend in our overall commercial loan asset quality. The overall health of both our consumer and commercial portfolios remained solid and reflects enhanced diversification over the years. Indirect auto balances and residential lending make up 18% and 16% of total loans, respectively. Our commercial portfolio is well diversified by loan type, client type and geography and does not include any lending to nondepository financial institutions. We have consistently employed strong fundamental underwriting processes and have experienced credit professionals working in separate credit delivery and relationship-based functions. That credit discipline is reflected in our low credit costs. We remain comfortable with our guided full year net charge-off ratio range of between 25 and 35 basis points and our current loan loss reserve ratio of 103 basis points. Period end, total deposits were $5.36 billion, up 3.9% from June 30, driven by seasonal increases in our public deposit portfolio and also reflective of growth in core nonpublic deposits. As a reminder, public deposits are sourced through long-standing relationships with more than 320 local municipalities and the balances peak in the first and third quarters. Total deposits were up a modest 1% from a year ago, reflecting an increase in broker deposits to help offset the BaaS platform wind down we initiated in September 2024. BaaS deposits were a modest $7 million at the end of the third quarter, and we now expect those to flow off the balance sheet in early 2026. We continue to expect total deposits at year-end 2025 to be generally flat with the prior year-end. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jack for additional details on our performance and outlook. Jack Plants: Thank you, Marty. Good morning, everyone. Net interest margin expanded 16 basis points on a linked-quarter basis, reflective of improved yields on average earning assets alongside deposit repricing that supported reduced funding costs. Our active balance sheet management contributed to 11 basis points of improvement to investment securities yields largely related to the modest portfolio repositioning that occurred in June. Activity continued during the third quarter when we sold $22.3 million of 30-year fixed rate mortgage-backed securities with higher expected prepayment speeds, the proceeds of which were reinvested into investment-grade corporate bonds. As this small restructuring was completed in September 2025, we expect to see further benefit to investment security yields in the fourth quarter. Average loan yields increased 3 basis points as compared to the second quarter of 2025. As a reminder, approximately 40% of our loan portfolio is tied to floating rates with a repricing frequency of 1 month or less. We expect loan yields to decline slightly in the fourth quarter given the recent rate cut. Cost of funds decreased 11 basis points from the linked quarter as higher rate CDs matured alongside overall downward deposit repricing. Given our year-to-date results, we're tightening our expected range for full year net interest margin to between 350 and 355 basis points. This guidance includes the expectation for modest margin pressure in the fourth quarter, given recent FOMC activity, as deposit repricing lags loan repricing, given the adjustable percentage of the loan portfolio previously mentioned. That compression is expected to be temporary based upon deposit repricing assumptions. Looking ahead to 2026, we anticipate incremental margin improvement to be driven by changes in earning asset mix through loan growth, coupled with active management of our funding costs. Third quarter double-digit margin expansion supported strong net interest income of $51.8 million, up $2.7 million or 5.4% from the second quarter. Noninterest income was $12.1 million, up $1.4 million or 13.6% from the linked quarter, reflecting increases from several revenue streams. Investment advisory revenue topped $3 million, up 4.8% on a linked quarter basis. Courier Capital experienced positive net flows as new business and market-driven gains offset outflows pushing AUMs to $3.56 billion at quarter end, up $173.6 million or 5.1% from June 30. During the third quarter, we announced the opening of a satellite office in Sarasota, Florida. The office allows our wealth management firm to better serve existing clients who spend time in Florida, while also opening the door to new relationships in one of the nation's most dynamic retirement markets. Third quarter company-owned life insurance income was $2.8 million, down from $3 million last quarter. As a reminder, in the first quarter, we initiated a COLI restructuring and the redemption of the surrender policy proceeds from the carrier did not occur until June, contributing to higher levels of COLI revenue in the first half of the year. Swap fee income was up 150% to $847,000 as a result of increased commercial back-to-back swap activity during the quarter. We also recorded a net gain on investment securities of $703,000, primarily related to the modest restructuring we completed in September. We expect noninterest income, excluding gains or losses on investment securities, impairment of investment tax credits and other categories that are difficult to predict, such as limited partnership income to exceed our original guidance of up to $42 million for the year. Noninterest expense was $35.9 million in the third quarter compared to $35.7 million in the linked quarter. This remains somewhat elevated, largely due to higher claims activity in our self-funded medical plan that resulted in a $452,000 increase in salaries and benefits expenses. While we do have stop-loss insurance, given the level of claim activity that we've experienced to date, we expect this expense category to remain somewhat elevated in the fourth quarter. As a result, we now expect full year expenses to come in closer to $141 million, approximately 1% higher than our original guide of $140 million. Professional services expenses of $1.7 million were up $237,000 from the second quarter, driven in part by outsourced compliance review expense and third-party commissions on swap transactions. These increases were partially offset by lower occupancy and equipment expenses due to a change in facilities maintenance service vendors and timing of costs associated with an ongoing ATM conversion as well as lower FDIC assessments. The ATM conversion project is substantially complete, resulting in an upgraded customer experience and the associated expense is now substantially reflected in our run rate. The strength of our balance sheet and growth of our relationship-based business lines supported robust revenue expansion that has more than surpassed expense growth during the year. The year-to-date efficiency ratio of about 58% puts us solidly below the 60% threshold we were targeting this year. We remain intently focused on expense management as we finish 2025 and move into 2026 in order to maintain positive operating leverage and a favorable efficiency ratio. Considering the strength of earnings from the first 9 months of the year, we are narrowing the range for our expected effective tax rate to between 18% to 19% for 2025, including the impact of the amortization of tax credit investments placed in service in recent years. We've been keenly focused on our capital stack as evidenced by the refreshment of our share repurchase plan during the quarter. We are also carefully considering our options relative to the outstanding sub debt given the repricing of both tranches that occurred in 2025. We are comfortable with our capital position, especially given the improvement in both our TCE and regulatory ratios in the third quarter. TCE improved to 8.74% and common equity Tier 1 increased to 11.15%, given organic increases in common equity through strong earnings, coupled with active management of our balance sheet and risk-weighted assets. Overall, our prudent balance sheet management, credit disciplined loan growth and resilient noninterest income has supported strong revenue generation and positive operating leverage. I am proud of our team's execution, strength of our operating results and the corresponding growth across tangible equity and regulatory capital ratios. That concludes my prepared remarks, and I'll now turn the call back to Marty. Martin Birmingham: Thanks, Jack. Our third quarter results demonstrate our capabilities and reinforce our excitement and optimism about the opportunities ahead. Profitable organic growth remains a top priority, and we believe that our year-to-date momentum will support a strong finish to 2025 and drive incremental performance in 2026. I would like to thank you for your attention this morning. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. Please open the call for questions. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Damon DelMonte of KBW. Damon Del Monte: First question, just regarding the margin and the outlook. Jack got the commentary here in the fourth quarter kind of being down modestly. Can you just kind of give us a little perspective if we have a couple of rate cuts this quarter, kind of when you would expect the margin to bounce back in '26? I mean is it kind of a step down this quarter and then a catch-up going into '26 with some kind of a grind higher? Or how do you think about the margin? Martin Birmingham: Yes. We've been fairly aggressive with some of our deposit repricing. We demonstrated that in the fourth quarter of last year. We made some changes right at the end of September. And with the expectation that there's going to be a cut this month in October, we're preplanning for adjustments there. So our guided range that we provided for full year margin, just given that there's -- it's late in the year would have -- a rate cut would have a modest impact to the full year guide. We'd still hold on that guidance potentially at the bottom end of the range. But I would expect that going into 2026, our jumping off point would probably be somewhere around 3.60%. Damon Del Monte: Got it. Okay. And then from there, you think it can kind of grind higher as you continue to benefit from new loan production and repricing of other fixed rate loans and continued management on the cost of fund side? Martin Birmingham: That's correct. Damon Del Monte: Okay. Great. And then just second question here on the buyback. Kind of good to see capital levels growing valuation still remains right around tangible book value. What are your thoughts on getting a little bit more active in the buyback and supporting the shares a little bit? Martin Birmingham: Well, we're pleased that our Board approved the buyback. It's another option that we have to support the shares and invest in ourselves, and we look forward to updating the market, Damon, when activity occurs. Damon Del Monte: Okay. Great. And if I could just sneak one more in on the loan growth. It sounds like you seem a little bit more optimistic today than you did maybe a quarter or 2 quarters ago. How do you look at maybe coming out of '25 and into '26, do you think you can kind of get back to that mid-single-digit rate of net growth? Jack Plants: This is Jack. I can take that one. So we're in the stages of building out our financial plan for 2026. Certainly, our experience we've had lately at the tail end of 2025 has been encouraging. I think that high -- or mid-single-digit growth, as you can is appropriate for modeling purposes. Operator: We currently have no further questions. So I'd like to hand the call back to Marty for any final and closing remarks. Martin Birmingham: Thanks to everyone who called in this morning. We look forward to continuing the conversation next quarter. Have a wonderful weekend. Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
Linda Palsson: Good morning, everyone, and warm welcome to our presentation of Afry's Q3 results. I will begin with some of the highlights from the quarter, and then our CFO, Bo Sandstrom, will provide a more detailed overview of the financials. So in the third quarter, we delivered stable results and improved our EBITA margin to 6.4%. We also saw a positive development of the order backlog, which increased 3.6% compared to the same period last year, or 5.3% when adjusted for currency effects. We achieved this despite a decline in net sales with a total year-over-year growth of minus 5.1%. Similar to what we saw in the second quarter, currency effect had a significant negative impact on sales. For Q3, it amounted to minus SEK 118 million. Sales volumes were also impacted by a challenging market we experienced in parts of our business, mainly in our global division Industry. The third quarter was also the first within our new group structure and our three global divisions. Under the new group structure, we have intensified our efforts to improve utilization and to structurally address the cost base. As part of this, we have continued executing on the restructuring agenda that we initiated during the second quarter. And for the third quarter, we report restructuring costs of SEK 31 million related to this, and they are classified as item affecting comparability. So to summarize, I can conclude that we have been able to deliver stable results despite a decline in net sales, and we continue our efforts to pave the way for profitable growth. Moving on then to the market, and let's start with Energy. We see a continued strong long-term demand across segments and on a global scale. Market activity is particularly high in areas such as transmission and distribution, hydro, and nuclear. At the same time, we are seeing some short-term regional variations. This is evident in areas such as thermal, solar, and wind power, where, for example, demand in the Nordics is currently somewhat slower. With that said, this kind of variations are expected over time for a growing and dynamic sector like the energy sector. For Global Division Industry, the demand remains mixed. We see that persistent global uncertainty continues to impact the overall investment sentiment in several segments. For example, in the Pulp and Paper, where the demand for new large-scale projects remains at low level. The slowdown in the Nordic industrial market is also impacted in the automotive segment. At the same time, we see strong market opportunities in areas such as defense and also within mining and metals, which is encouraging to see. And finally, in Transportation and Places, public investments in transport infrastructure and water remains at good levels across the regions. The investments are driven by large-scale infrastructure programs and increasing focus on climate and defense-related projects. At the same time, we see that demand in the Nordic real estate market remains at low level and is mainly driven by refurbishments and public investments. So now let's dive a bit into our new global divisions and their performance in the quarter, starting with Energy. We continue to see high project activity in several of our segments, which reflects the overall market that we experience in Energy. We report negative total sales growth in the quarter, which is impacted by significant currency effects of minus SEK 45 million as well as short-term regional variations in some segments. We keep profitability at a solid level of 9.8%, which is slightly lower than last year. Moving on to our Global Division Industry, a challenging market reflects the net sales development in some of our segments. Despite this, profitability improved year-over-year, and this is due to the ongoing capacity adjustments and the improved utilization in the quarter. In the second quarter, we announced the acquisition of Reta Engineering, a Brazilian company specializing in project and construction management services with a strong foothold in the mining and metal sectors. And in the third quarter, we completed the acquisition, and the numbers are consolidated into the Industry division as of September 1st. And finally, Transportation and Places. Here, we saw some sales growth in the quarter, which was driven by high activity in projects as well as improved attendance rates. Also on the EBITDA side, we continue to see positive development, driven by the continuous efficiency measures that we do in the division. I would also like to highlight some of our key project wins in this quarter. In the Mining and Metals segments, we were selected by the British mining company, Anglo American, to lead the pre-feasibility study for the Sakatti mining project in Finland. The mine is planned as a highly automated underground operation with low carbon footprint. And once operational, the mine will supply critical minerals that are essential for Europe's green transition. And Afry's strong expertise in sustainable engineering makes this a great fit. On the Energy side, we have signed a strategic framework agreement with Svenska Kraftnät, Sweden's national grid operator. This is the second of two recently announced agreements and covers technical consultancy and design planning services within transmission and distribution, which will strengthen Sweden's energy system. Svenska Kraftnät is one of our key clients in the Swedish energy market, and we are pleased to strengthen our partnership with them through these agreements. In Denmark, we have won a contract in the Road and Rail segment, covering comprehensive advisory services in intelligent traffic systems, traffic management, and emergency preparedness. With Afry's extensive experience in traffic engineering, this project is a great opportunity to deliver innovative and effective solutions that improve road user safety and mobility. And with these great projects, I would like to hand over to you Bo. Bo Sandstrom: Thank you, Linda. So I will cover the financials for Q3 2025. Quarter three showed net sales of SEK 5.7 billion and EBITDA, excluding IAC of SEK 362 million. On rolling 12 months, we are now at SEK 26.2 billion on net sales and remain right below SEK 1.9 billion on EBITDA. On the rolling 12 months development compared to 12 months ago, we carry significant negative currency and calendar effects, explaining approximately SEK 600 million on net sales and SEK 240 million on EBITDA. In Q3, with a net sales of SEK 5.7 billion, adjusted organic growth came in at negative 3.7%, where volume continued to be pressured by capacity adjustments during the last quarters. As previously, the decline in volume was partially compensated by positive pricing. For Q3, we continue to see higher average fees, although at a somewhat lower level than the last number of quarters. Total growth is reported at minus 5.1%, affected also by FX movement from a strengthened SEK compared to last year. The negative adjusted organic growth in Q3 was sequentially lower, and global divisions, Energy and Industry, both saw lower growth levels. In particular, Industry experienced a challenging market and continued capacity adjustments pressure growth rates. In Q3, Industry also saw show lower sales of material than last year, affecting the quarterly growth. Transportation & Places showed sequential improvement, mainly driven from the Road and Rail segment. The order backlog continued to develop favorably and is reported at SEK 20.4 billion, improving to last year, but somewhat lower sequentially. Currency adjusted, the backlog has improved 5.3% to last year with improvements primarily from Global Division Industry. The Energy division maintained the largest order backlog in relation to net sales at a level in line with last year, but improving 3.7% adjusted for currency effects. EBITDA excluding IAC is reported at SEK 362 million, and the EBITA margin was at 6.4%. Calendar affects EBITA with plus SEK 15 million and the EBITA margin with plus 0.2% to last year, so that calendar adjusted margin was marginally better than last year. Currency movements have marginal impact on the EBITA margin, but on absolute terms, we estimate a negative currency impact of SEK 13 million on EBITA compared to last year. Global Divisions Industry and Transportation & Places support the calendar-adjusted margin development of the group, while Energy reports the highest margin of the global divisions, but somewhat lower than last year in this quarter. We reported utilization of 72% for Q3 in line with the rolling 12-month level. Looking at the year-over-year development by quarter, we see that Q3 '25 is again behind last year, but with a decline at a lower rate than seen last two years. Utilization is a clear focus for Afry, and we are determined to turn the negative trend. We report SEK 31 million restructuring costs as items affecting comparability in the quarter. The restructuring costs again primarily relate to redundancies across the group. In the new group structure, we will continue to address our cost base as well as making portfolio optimization in quarters to come. And we reiterate our estimate of restructuring cost of SEK 200 million to SEK 300 million in the quarters from Q3 '25 to Q2 '26. We have not guided on phasing, but given that the cost levels were slightly lower in Q3, it is fair to assume that they will, on average, be higher for the upcoming quarters. Cash flow from operating activities in Q3 was stronger than last year. Available liquidity remained at SEK 3.8 billion. Net debt remained at SEK 5.1 billion, where the positive operating cash flow compensates completion of the acquisition of Reta Engineering that was completed during the quarter. On net debt to EBITDA, we remain at 2.9x. Normal seasonality would provide significant deleveraging in the last quarter of the year and take us to around or below our financial target of 2.5x. With that, I leave back to you, Linda. Linda Palsson: Thank you for that, Bo. So I would also like to say a few words on our next chapter and what we've achieved in the third quarter. So as I mentioned in the start of today's session, we launched a new group structure in the third quarter. We now operate through three global divisions, representing 14 core segments, which all will drive global sales and delivery. This has been a key milestone, simplifying our operating model and paving the way for profitable growth. During the quarter, we also intensified our efforts to improve utilization and to structurally address our cost base. As a part of this, we continue to execute on our restructuring agenda, which remains on track and will proceed as planned through the second quarter of 2026. We have also reviewed our existing incentive structure, and we took action to align and harmonize them. This will reduce complexity and suboptimization and ultimately drive group performance. And finally, strategies for each global division and segment are now in place, which provides a strong foundation to deliver on our strategic ambitions going forward. And even if we are still in the initial stage of our strategy execution journey, it's encouraging to see the progress we are making. As we finalize our group strategy and have the organizational foundation in place, we are ready to fully move on to strategy execution. We will share more details about this at our upcoming Capital Markets Day. In parallel, we are progressing according to plan with the implementation of the fit-for-purpose operating model while continuously working to address operational efficiency and our cost base. And as mentioned, we are looking forward to welcoming you to our Capital Markets Day on November 4, where we will be presenting our new strategic direction and our plans ahead. I'm excited to meet many of you there and to good discussions and insights. And with that, let's open up for the Q&A session. Linda Palsson: [Operator Instructions] And let's start with Raymond Ke from Nordea. Raymond Ke: A couple of questions from me. I'll take them one by one. The short-term regional differences in energy, could you elaborate a bit in terms of whether it's due to market, certain customers being hesitant, or where you are in these projects? Any color to help us understand sort of how long this might persist would be helpful. Linda Palsson: They are related to wind, solar, and partly to thermal, and it's mostly related to the Nordic region. We don't expect it to be that long-term. We see it more as a temporary bump, but there are delays in some investment decisions from clients in the Nordic market. On the other hand, on the same segments, we see a strong growth in Asia in the same segment. Raymond Ke: And regarding your restructuring plans ahead then, which, of course, may impact personnel. How many FTEs or how should we think about this when we compare sort of consultants against back-office employees? What's the sort of share of headcount reduction distribution there? Bo Sandstrom: Well, I'll provide some light on it, and then hopefully, you get even more light when we come to CMD. We haven't provided guidance on that split. But like we elaborated last time, Raymond, you will have a split between different kind of redundancy costs coming out from this restructuring. There will be a part that is more on a managerial level. There will be a part that is more based on the support structure of the company, and then there will be an operational part as we move ahead into the restructuring efforts. We experienced that in Q2. We see it again in Q3, and we'll elaborate a bit further when we come to CMD. Raymond Ke: Looking forward to that. And just one final one. On the new incentive structure that you talked about there briefly, could you maybe just clarify how was it before and why you expect it maybe to make a major difference or where you expect it to make a difference this time around? Linda Palsson: As we talked about before, now when we have deep dived into our organization and the setup and our ambition to simplify, we actually saw that we had a lot of different incentive structure programs that were somewhat contradictory to each other. So, by harmonizing this, this will drive our efficiency, it will drive internal mobility. And ultimately, it will support the development of Afry. Then we'll open up for Johan Dahl from Danske Bank. Johan Dahl: Just on this -- interesting to hear that you finalized the plan for the new divisions here to sort of improve the margins. I presume that's some sort of multiyear progression to achieve financial targets. And the question is, you have been quite clear on cost-out actions in the near term, the coming 12 months. But what other buckets do you identify in this plan to sort of drive towards financial targets? If you could just broadly outline those. Linda Palsson: I can start. Yes, of course, we have the cost side, but we also have the revenue side. And here, I mean, our sales effort is paving the way for that. As you have heard over the last quarters, we have been quite successful in securing important contracts going forward, and we are building our order backlog. And this will continue. So we've continued to put a lot of efforts into our sales force and also to our structured key account approach. And this is evident that this is a way forward for us. So that's related, I would say, to the revenue side and our structure going forward. And then maybe you should comment, Bo, on the other initiatives. Bo Sandstrom: No, I can just add to it. I mean, ever since we started the work with the next chapter of Afry that we will present in just a couple of weeks, it has been clear that it's a multi-component effort that we're working on, kind of starting in sense with the clients and the commercial aspect of the business that we're doing, but also looking at what is actually the portfolio and how do we structure that and then leading into the operating model and the cost-out actions that you are referring to. So it is a multifaceted, and we'll do our best to explain that in better detail also on CMD. Johan Dahl: Do you see currently -- you talked about positive pricing in the operations. But can you see currently in the order book proof of concept that the sort of intense -- you start talking about improving the order book quality quite some time ago. Can you see that for a fact now that's having an effect? Or is that still something you expect going forward? Bo Sandstrom: Yes, I'll elaborate a bit. It is tricky. I mean the order book is, of course, a very long-term -- it's a very long-term order book, particularly given what we do and the length of many of our large projects. At the same time, the market is developing and the market is developing fairly short-term in that sense. So it's that combination. But of course, we're happy with the order book and the profitability margin in it, and the steps that we're taking towards a better profitability through the order book. But it's really difficult to see, in a sense, quarter-by-quarter, the development. But over time, we're happy with where we are also compared to 1 or 2 years ago when we started talking about these things. Johan Dahl: Final question. Just the increase, 5%, 6% FX adjusted on the order book, when will that translate to revenues, do you think? Or when would you see that inflection point on reported revenues? Linda Palsson: I start, yes. Yes. And that is exactly the tricky ones, as the order book contains of large projects over many years, and it's also very short-term. So of course, we see that continuously, we will improve, but it's difficult to say exactly what kind of revenue is converted from the order book in Q4, for instance. So -- but we see a slight improvement quarter-by-quarter. Next question is from Fredrik Lithell from Handelsbanken. Fredrik Lithell: Maybe a follow-up on Johan's question there. The order book, is it broad-based the development? Or is it sort of very narrow in certain pockets of exceptionally good demand? Or how does that look? Linda Palsson: No, I would say it's broad. We present the differences between our new 3 global divisions here. But you can see that there are some differences. And of course, that Energy, for instance, had relatively stronger order book than the others. But I would say with -- it is a broad base that we have in our order book. So it's no segment that is without orders. Fredrik Lithell: Another question is on sort of your support platforms. You have earlier, and we have talked at length many times before about your upgrades of CRM, HR, ERP, maybe billing systems, maybe something else. Where are you on that route? And how big of an impact have you had so far in better being able to follow your trends, offboarding, onboarding, billing rates, and what have you. So it would be interesting to hear you elaborate. Bo Sandstrom: Yes. It is a broad question, Fredrik. But we come quite a bit on that journey. It is a long-term journey because, like you said, it involves kind of several parts of the company. It's not just a one system, and then you can measure how far you are progressing. It's a combination of different things. I would say that we're more than halfway in that sense, but we still have a bit to go kind of to get to fully there. And successively, we're getting -- I would say that in the phase where we are right now, we're getting better and better transparency. We're shifting into the part where we can also translate the transparency to efficiency and improvements. But that is also kind of a gradual shift, if that is elaborating a bit on your wide question. Fredrik Lithell: Yes, yes, it's very helpful. And on that, just a follow-up, do you have any sort of heavy lifting? Are there any specific big steps in this project in any way? Or is it really just a gradual work every day? Bo Sandstrom: It is, to a large extent, from an overall perspective, it is a gradual work. Then, of course, we have internal milestones that we are kind of kicking off as we go. But from kind of from an investment and cost perspective, we're not expecting any significant effects kind of shifting upwards that will be material for the group as such. Linda Palsson: Thank you, Fredrik. Then we welcome Johan Sundén from DNB, Carnegie. Johan Sundén: A few questions from my side as well. I think, firstly, a little bit curious to hear some kind of high-level comments on the kind of sentiment within the organization. How has voluntary employee turnover developed over the summer? How is commitment among employees? Just curious to hear those kind of feedbacks. Linda Palsson: Thank you. That's a good question. I would start by saying it was a big shift for us of what we are doing. With that said, I think it's quite logical and well understood why we're doing it. So there's a lot of commitment within the organization towards our new strategic direction. But of course, when you are impacted directly, there will be some additional question marks. So it's not all sort of 18,000 super happy. But I would say the overall direction is good, and we have our employees with us on this journey. The second one was related to the employee turnover. Was that right? Yes. Actually, we haven't seen any sort of negative development on that. So it's in line with what we have seen the last quarters. So no change there. Healthy level. Johan Sundén: And also on the kind of more of an HR place, maybe the leadership within Transportation places, where are we in the process there? Linda Palsson: Yes. So Robert Larsson will do his last day here at AFRY, the 31st of October. And then from 1st of November, we have an acting solution in place, Tuukka Sormunen, who will take on the division as acting. And we are in the final stages of the recruitment process for the successor. Johan Sundén: And then maybe a little bit of a nitty-gritty question for Bo. Firstly, on the order backlog, and there's been pretty negative news flow regarding the forestry sector in the Nordics recently. Should we be worried for cancellation or those kind of things that could impact the order backlog going into Q4? Bo Sandstrom: No, I wouldn't be particularly concerned, Johan. I mean you're right. We're not floating a lot of positive news now, but we haven't really had that positive news flow over the last couple of years. So we're not necessarily looking at a large order backlog that is particularly exposed. So I don't see a big kind of downside risk on that from where we are right now. Johan Sundén: That's encouraging. And then 2 small nitty-gritty questions. Firstly, on working capital. If it's just possible, been a busy reporting day, I haven't had time to go into all the details, but can you please go through the dynamics between the kind of how you come with such good working capital release in this quarter? Bo Sandstrom: Yes. I mean you're right. We had a healthy working capital flow on an overall perspective, particularly if you look at a normal Q3 for us, it was a bit stronger this year than it was in a normal year. We don't have a big reason for it to present in that sense. You should expect that, that would be more seasonal swings also, then looking at how Q3 is normally then composed, then this could very well kind of have a contradicting effect in Q4. That's how it's normally played out. But it's nothing out of the ordinary in that sense, more referring to seasonal swings that we saw in a positive way, of course, in Q3. Johan Sundén: And on overhead cost, which has trended a little bit higher first quarter this year, I think you mentioned in Q1 that there was some intra-year phasing that pushed that up a little bit in Q1. Should we expect very low overhead cost in Q4 then? Or how should we think there? Bo Sandstrom: I mean we're clearly -- I mean, now we closed Q3, so we're pretty far into the year. So as been seen throughout the year, we will expect -- I mean, you should expect a higher full year than last year. That's pretty evident where we are kind of 3 quarters out. Looking at Q3 specifically, then the main rationale for the year-over-year is we have -- we carry a very high activity level currently, or particularly during this year. That's one side of it. And then we have some currency-related effects that sneak into the net group cost that we report as well. But in general, I would more look at the activity level that we are carrying at this moment. Johan Sundén: And when should we kind of be ramping down to more normal levels? Is it '26? Bo Sandstrom: Yes. No, I don't necessarily see that. I mean, over the next few quarters, we will be looking at more normalized levels. That is to be expected. Then whether it will happen in Q4 or going into '26, too early to say. But this is not -- it's not a permanent level, I would envision. Linda Palsson: Next question is from Dan Johansson from SEB. Dan Johansson: Two additional ones. Linda, I think you spoke briefly on the billing ratio declined slightly versus the quarter last year, but perhaps less so than previously. And connecting this to the restructuring program, how do you think it's progressing versus the initial plan you had when you introduced it? I know it's a short period. And I assume you did not see much now in Q3, it's a summer quarter. But you have taken out SEK 120 million of restructuring costs now. So for Q4, if we look into that, do you expect to see some first positive signs in terms of utilization? Or will it take a bit longer to see the effect from that? Just so I get it right from a run rate level here going forward. Linda Palsson: I start? Yes. Our important topic of utilization rate. And actually, as you saw on both slides, this was actually the -- it was still lower compared to Q3 last year, but not as much lower as we have seen before. So that's why we say we see some early positive signs within the quarter, and we also see the end of the quarter going better. So we will keep our focus on this question during Q4 for sure and during next year. In terms of the capacity adjustments, that is ongoing at the moment. And as Bo said, we can also expect relatively more in Q4 from that adaptation, our capacity towards our current workload, and see that we get that right, and by that, also improving our utilization rates going forward. Bo Sandstrom: Just to add a bit on it. I mean we are progressing according to our plan, and we're seeing the effects that we expect in a sense so far. But still, also with the guiding of the restructuring program that we launched right before the summer, I mean, you're completely right. We just passed a summer quarter. And then looking at the SEK 200 million to SEK 300 million that we guided, we have just stepped into that bucket, so to say, in terms of restructuring efforts. So where we are right now, a bit early days still, but we are seeing the effects that we anticipate, but more to come. Dan Johansson: And maybe a final one, if I may. In the industry, I'm still a little bit stuck in the past on your old segment structure here. So just to improve my understanding, the industry margin uptick, is that mainly an effect of your Process Industry business, the Pulp and Paper part, I guess? Or is it more like a -- the local broader industry part you have in Sweden that's a little bit better than last year, i.e., the Industrial Digital Solutions, we look at your previous segment structure. What sort of the improvement here in the quarter? Bo Sandstrom: If you're talking about the order backlog, it's more related to the Process Industries part. If you're looking at the net sales development and the negative growth, it's more related to the historical the IDS part. Linda Palsson: Thank you, Dan. And those are the questions we had today. Super. So then we say thank you for today, and we look forward to talking to you again at the Capital Markets Day. Have a nice weekend.
Operator: Welcome to the Trelleborg Q3 2025 report presentation. [Operator Instructions] Now I will hand the conference over to CEO, Peter Nilsson; and CFO, Fredrik Nilsson. Please go ahead. Peter Nilsson: Hello, everybody. Peter Nilsson speaking. Welcome all of you to this Q3 of 2025 results. What we're going to give you some of our, let's say, input on how the quarter developed. Joining me on this call is also Fredrik Nilsson, our Group CFO; and also Christofer Sjögren, who is heading our Investor Relations. So as usual, we're going to refer to a slide deck from our web page. And then on that, turning to Page 2 on that section, the agenda slide and a normal starting with some general highlights, some comments on the business areas, and then Fredrik's going to guide us through the financials and then finishing off with a summary and some comments on the outlook for the running quarter. And then finally, ending our call with a Q&A session. So that's the agenda for this call this morning. Turning then to Page 3. Heading of our report, organic growth with higher margin. So a solid quarter in more or less all aspects, the development in the right direction in more or less all aspects, sales ending up relatively flat compared to last year in Swedish krona, an increase of 1%. But behind this, a very solid organic growth, plus 4%, which is something we have not seen for quite some time. M&A also benefiting. We have done several acquisitions, several smaller bolt-on acquisitions here in the last 12 months. And that is, of course, also bringing in some sales. So that is adding 3%. And then we have a currency headwind, well known by everybody, which is 6% in the quarter, which is then once again ending up with a 1% on the total sales. EBITDA also up and also with an improved margin, which is an all-time high margin and results for the third quarter. We are, let's say, a notch above 18% EBITDA margin in the quarter. And this is, as I already said, it's a stronger third quarter to date for us, both in terms of profit and margins. So solid. And I mean, the great thing, you're going to see later also is coming from all business areas. We have a substantial negative FX on EBITDA, almost SEK 100 million or SEK 90 million, bringing us in the wrong direction, if you may say. Items affecting comparability running as planned, relatively high level this year, but also coming from this rather high number of acquisitions, which is then kind of creating opportunities to improve the structure and then make sure we get all the benefits from these acquisitions as we move forward. Cash flow, very strong. I mean, we have to admit, surprisingly strong ending of the quarter on the cash flow, which, of course, is going to bounce back a little bit here in Q4. But nevertheless, we are happy to have the money in our pockets instead of sitting somewhere else. So very solid cash flow, which is, of course, yes, creating a stronger balance sheet and overall, a better business. We've done a smaller acquisition, small but important acquisition in Singapore called Masterseals, which is an acquisition which is strengthening a little bit, oil and gas markets and generally more in the kind of aftermarket-related segments of Sealing Solutions, which is an area which we are developing at the moment, an area we're growing into kind of a global business for us. Also note, continued share buyback on a level slightly north of SEK 500 million being spent on share buybacks in the quarter. So this is the quarter. This is what it is. And I mean, overall, once again, a solid quarter. So turning then to the next page, Page 4, where you see new slide for us, which I hope you will give some more input on the sales split per geography, which I don't going to comment that much on. But we also, more importantly, we see organic growth in all 3 major geographical areas, with Europe for us being the softest, slightly better in Americas, 5% organic growth in Americas, which is kind of on a high level, driven a little bit by project deliveries, but that's the way it is. But nevertheless, good solid quarter and a very solid quarter also for Asia, then particularly strong in China for us. But overall, strong in Asia and kind of a little bit bounce back in Americas and then Europe a little bit softer. So this is the -- and in all areas or levels, which, I mean, we have not seen for some time, especially if you talk both Americas and Europe while Asia continues on a good level, as you've seen throughout the year for Trelleborg. Turning to Page 5, the agenda slide, business areas and then quickly turning to Page 6 with some more detailed comments on Industrial Solutions, organic growth and we say stable margin, a slight uptick in margin. Organic sales 2%; M&A, adding 4%. And then, of course, also, as others here, a negative exchange rate of some 6%. Also behind these figures, we see oil and gas project declined in the quarter, sales declined in the quarter, but that is mainly due to a rather tough year-on-year comparison. Overall market still developing well and a very solid cash flow. But some of these sales is rather project heavy. It is that it sometimes goes a little up a little bit and sometimes it will be down and this quarter was a little bit down in the sales, but it's not -- once again, it's not a reflection of overall lower activity in this part of the business. Construction industry is still muted but we noted satisfaction that is getting slightly better if you look sequentially, although still, let's say, quite strong decline if we compare year-on-year. But once again, some light in the tunnel and some improvements kicking in. Automotive sales increased in the quarter. I mean it's been a little bit -- how should I say a little bit strange quarter, if I may say, for automotive. Those of you following automotive, you see that it's still relatively tough sales in Europe and North America, while China was extraordinary in the quarter, which as I said, 10% plus organic growth. And I mean, the business that we have in Industrial Solutions has a very good market share in China. And that is where we benefit from this. So we have actually a strong development in automotive within Industrial Solutions in this quarter. And then EBITDA and margin improved slightly. I mean Industrial Solutions is a fairly diverse business, and there are some ups and downs always. But overall, we continue to move in the right direction. We continue to improve. It's not major steps. It's a hard work coming from kind of operational focus and also some of the structural investment, structural improvements kicking in. Overall, a good quarter, well managed in more or less all aspects. And then we also should note that when we look at the margin here, this acquisitions that we've been doing is on a lower margin than the overall, and we have some tens of a percent negative kicking in for that. It could be -- I don't know, looking at Fredrik, 0.3%, 0.5% on the margin actually coming from kind of this acquisition kicking in and it will take us a year or so before we can get them back to the overall margin of Industrial Solutions. But that is also something that you need to note when you look at the margin development within Industrial Solutions. Turning to Page 7. Trelleborg Medical Solutions, strong organic sales growth. Organic sales is up by 13%. M&A, not doing any changes, so 0 impact from that. But we have to note here as well that we have some project deliveries related to one of our major customers, which is, let's say, boosting the sales dramatically -- in the sales. I mean, if you look underlying and try to kind of neglect these organic sales, I mean the more correct probably underlying organic sales is more in the kind of mid-single-digit territory. Medtech sales, we see also medtech sales in Europe developing well. North America, where we still -- struggle is the wrong word, but we still see some negative development where we still have some inventory issues. We don't see the overall activity going down, but we still see our sales is a little bit below where it should be. So we are pretty certain that we're still impacted by inventory reductions especially in North America, which we have been for some time, and we honestly, we believe that it's going to turn the corner, but we see it continuous. It is difficult to really see through exactly when it will turn, but we continue to gain business. We continue to gain orders, and we are overall satisfied with the development, even though the sales, we would like to sell more, of course, in Americas as well going forward. Life Science, which is kind of the smaller segment of medical, is developing, if I may say, very nice, and we are growing that. And we are starting -- we have been investing in that segment with new factories, both in North America and in Europe, and with satisfaction, we see that these investments is slowly, let's say, benefiting us, and that is an area also where we see continued growth going forward. EBIT margin up and also, let's say, in absolute terms, we have EBITDA up. I mean there's higher volumes, as you expect, but also continuous structure improvements, especially starting to benefit from -- continuing to benefit from this acquisition of Baron that was made, let's say, a year ago now. Turning then to Page 8, Sealing Solutions. If I may say, very solid organic growth in the quarter coming from several areas. But I mean, if I should highlight something, it's really that we have underlying kind of industrials, the big kind of industrial segment of TSS is starting to do better. We see now growth in Europe kicking in. Asia continued on a good level, which has been good for us for quite some time. We continue to see some weakness in North America. But overall, these core segments of Sealing Solutions improved in the quarter. Both in sales and also kind of a higher activity level. Automotive for TSS is still below last year, particularly still impacted by, let's say, very soft development, very soft development in the aftermarket business. And we cannot -- I mean, it's not like the aftermarket in itself is down. It's more that we see very, let's say, uncertainty, especially in the North American market, this is -- we see that they are downsizing. In stock, inventories is down, and we do expect it to kick back. But also here, we don't know exactly when, but it is kind of we are supplying substantially below the market demand for a few quarters here, and we do expect that to bounce back eventually. We note in automotive here as well as we also commented on TSS, a very good development in China. We have a good market share for some of the products, in TSS, especially that's our shim business, our brake business has a solid market share in China. And of course, we are benefiting from that as the Chinese market has been developing very, very good in the quarter. Aerospace, very strong all over. We continue to, let's say, get more orders than we sell. So let's say, order book is growing and the activity level is growing. Of course, we note, as a trusted -- the ones of you was following aerospace that's about Airbus and Boeing is very ambitious in the growth plans going forward, and we, of course, do our best to follow that. So good development in aerospace. And overall, this means that EBITDA and margin is improving, higher production volumes kicking in. We have been underproducing for some time. And we see also the benefits from the operational improvements, but we also have to note also here we have a negative impact from acquisitions being made, which is kind of the same dimension as we see in Industrial Solutions, some 0.3%, 0.5% negative impact on the margin if we were trying to kind of adjust for the acquisitions. But we're doing the acquisitions, of course, because we believe they are good for us and they are improving the business overall, but it will take some time to get all business improvements into the margin. Already commented on the Masterseals acquisition in Singapore that is part of small acquisition, but it's part of an overall game plan to strengthen our activity within, let's say, aftermarket for seals and especially related to oil and gas and mining and other segments, which is more kind of project-related where you need, to say, local presence in order to get this business into our books. So that's -- we're happy to be that, and we think it's a good strategic add-on, although once again on a very minor level compared to the overall sales of Trelleborg. Turning to Page 9, some comments on sustainability, continue to improve substantially. I mean, we say here, we are not getting to the end of the game, but we are getting down to levels of CO2 emissions from our Scope 1 and Scope 2, which is kind of becoming very low. We're, of course, going to continue to improve. We continue to do better also in this aspect. But I mean, do not expect these kind of improvements steps going forward. Next page, Page 10 and it's basically the same here, where we have a substantial tick up in share of renewable and fossil-free electricity. We are now up to 92%. And I mean the remainder here is very difficult because in some geographies, you actually cannot get it, and we are getting also here to a situation where we cannot improve that much anymore to you on this because we are, let's say, stopped either but by very major investments to turn it around or that is simply not available in a few geographies. So very good development, very happy to show this. There was continued good development in sustainability, and we are doing good in these aspects. And I mean, once again, the focus -- we cannot improve on this criteria. So the focus going forward will be more smaller steps and more kind of what we call say, energy excellence programs. We'll be working hard with all the factories in order to improve and to do better in more minor aspects. So these big steps, you will not see these big steps going forward, but we're getting to a situation. I don't say it being perfect, but we're getting to a level where we cannot justify the final steps to get it even better. Turning then to agenda slide again, Page 11, financials on Page 12. I'll leave it over to Fredrik to guide us through this section. Fredrik Nilsson: Thank you, Peter. Let's then start on Page 12, looking at the sales development. Reported net sales increased by 1% from SEK 8.442 billion to EUR 8.532 billion. We have organic sales growth in all 3 business areas in total 4%. Structural changes added 3% growth in the quarter. And then as Peter mentioned, we have negative translation effects that reduced growth by 6% during the quarter. If we then move to Page 13, showing historical sales growth. In the third quarter, we were close to our sales growth targets, achieving 7% sales growth at constant FX. Looking at Page 14, showing the quarterly sales and rolling 12 for continuing operations. The sales in the quarter, as I said, reached SEK 8.5 billion at net rolling 12 months, it's reached SEK 34.7 billion. Moving on to Page 15, looking at the EBITA and the EBITA margin, that continued to improve further. EBITA excluding items affecting comparability, increased by 5% to SEK 1.541 billion in the third quarter. We saw profit growth in all 3 business areas. And looking at -- we start with Industrial Solutions, which was up 1% in EBITA due to operational structure improvements, which was partly offset by negative translation effects. And then Medical Solutions, up 10% in the quarter. And then finally, Sealing Solutions was up 6% in the quarter due to higher production volumes and operational improvements. And margin-wise, we rose from 17.3% up to 18.1%, supported by the organic volume growth and the operational improvements. Looking at then the EBITA and EBITA margin on a rolling 12 months basis. EBITA amounted to SEK 6.331 billion with a margin of 18.2% and EBITA has been growing with 6% during the last 12 months. Moving on to profit and loss statement. Looking into some more details in the income statements, items that are affecting comparability, SEK 72 million in the quarter, which was entirely related to restructuring costs for adjusting our cost base and due to the recent acquisition. Financial net I would say, on par compared to last year, SEK 126 million compared to SEK 128 million. This is actually despite that the debt level is higher this year. So that is also a good achievement. Tax rate for the quarter, excluding items affecting comparability, amounted to 26%, a slight increase due to timing. Page 18, earnings per share, excluding items affecting comparability, amounted to SEK 4.20 in the quarter and increased by 11%, and that was due to the higher profitability and the effect of the ongoing share buyback program. And for the group, including items affecting comparability, earnings per share were up SEK 3.94, also 11% up. Moving on to Page 19. As Peter mentioned, we have a very strong cash flow in the quarter, which reached SEK 1.741 billion. On a high level, half of the improvement came from the higher EBITDA and the rest from efficient management of the working capital. CapEx is well aligned with the communicated guidelines for the full year but marginally higher than Q3 last year. Moving on to Page 20, the cash flow conversion. The cash flow conversion was 92%. So we continue to deliver a high cash conversion ratio. Moving on Page 21, the gearing and the leverage development. Net debt at the end of the quarter at SEK 8.280 billion. Share buyback during the quarter was SEK 554 million, ended the quarter with a debt-to-equity ratio at 22%. So small improvement compared to Q2. And then net debt in relation to EBITDA, 1.1, which was slightly higher than year-end. But of course, we have also paid out a dividend during the second quarter, and we have continued the share buyback program. In other words, our balance sheet remains strong. Moving on to Page 22, return on capital employed reached 12% for the quarter, and our capital employed has increased compared to last year mainly due to the acquisitions, but I think also I would like to note that our return on capital employed has sequentially increased for Q2 to Q3. And then finally, the financial guidelines for 2025, unchanged compared to what we communicated after our second quarter CapEx, SEK 1.650 billion for the full year, restructuring costs around SEK 500 million for the full year as well. Amortization of intangibles, SEK 650 million and underlying tax rate for the full year around 25%. And by that, I would like to hand back the microphone to Peter. Peter Nilsson: Thank you. Agenda slide, summary and outlook. Quickly turning to Page 25. Looking at the quarter, organic growth with higher margins, good quarter overall, but it picked out a few highlights. We see in the quarter in improved -- generally an improved demand, higher activity levels or continued high activity level in some areas. We see an improvement in that. And we also note with satisfaction, of course, that all our 3 business areas recorded organic growth in the quarter, which has been quite some time since we saw that the last time. So overall, better activity, although not kind of a big jump upwards. But nevertheless, improvements in most areas. We also note that these higher sales is also improving our margins. We have a fairly sizable uptick in the margin year-on-year. And it then boils down to the strongest quarter -- strongest third quarter to date, both in terms of profit and margin. We also note that we continue to do value -- what we call value-adding M&A, although impact, this is our 10th bolt-on acquisitions since Q3 last year. And of course, this is a high activity level in [indiscernible] we said before, is impacting our margin negatively in Sealing Solutions and Industrial Solutions, but we are, at the same time, improving our overall positions, and we are very certain that this -- when that's fully integrated, there will not be a drain on the margin or rather the opposite, but it takes some time to get there. And we also note that continue buybacks, we continue to have a solid balance sheet, which is, let's say, allowing us both to continue on high CapEx level, continue to do M&A, continue to absorb the growth, which is in the quarter in terms of working capital, but also on top of that, we also continue to do share buybacks. So that was the summary and then turning to -- for the last quarter and then turning to Page 26 and some outlook. We expect the demand to remain on this level. For those of you who have read the reports see that we have this extraordinary sales or project sales within medical, we were not going to kick in. So with this outlook, you should read it that the continued overall demand, we might be -- we don't know exactly, as we otherwise were sitting exactly where we end up. But of course, we believe that this is probably not going to be of north of 4% in the next quarter, but we could be a 1 percentage point or some lower than 4%, but we believe it's going to be on a similar level. And I mean if this continued higher activity level, remain, then we will look with more positivism on the future. But with this comment, of course, also, we all know there is a big year -- still a big, what we call political situation or geopolitical challenges out there and things might happen, which could impact the demand short term. So that is, of course, with this comment on the continued good market, it comes with this kind of comment. And then turning to Page 27 agenda and into the final agenda point and turning to Page 28 and opening up for questions. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Alexander Jones from BofA. Alexander Jones: If I can have two please. The first on Sealing Solutions and specifically the Industrial business within that, you talked about higher growth this quarter. Could you help us understand was that broad-based or the particular end markets within Industrial driving that? And to what extent was that the end market improving or more market share gains and innovation success that you've had as Trelleborg? And then the second question, if I can, just on the Medical business. Can I clarify on the one-off project sales this quarter. Is there any element there have pulled forward that will be reversed in future quarters? Or is that just sort of one-off extra sales that we should not extrapolate in our future numbers? Peter Nilsson: Alexander, talking -- starting with the medical one, I mean that is really a startup of a new program for one of our customers, which is a one-off delivery. So it's not really about impacting the future. So it's not kind of a pull from any future sales. It's simply sales in the quarter due to the [indiscernible] starting new programs. So that is kind of the way it is sometimes, but it's not kind of any forward buying or something, it's simply a one-off sales. So nothing really that we need -- we don't expect it to -- yes, to impact the sales going forward. So that's it. And then if you talk about Industrial, I mean, one thing is also on the industrial sales of Sealing, which you've seen in the quarter, I mean we have been, for quite a few quarters, talking about destocking in these activities. So one of the impacts in the quarter is no more destocking, and we are kind of supplying in line with underlying demand. I mean, so that is one of the impacts. But we don't see still as an inventory buildup, but we still believe that there is supplying. But we are not kind of oversupplying in the way that they are building stock. And I mean -- and the core driver for this is kind of the biggest subsegment, if I say in Sealing, which is more hydraulics, machinery and this kind of core industrial business. That is where we see the improvements. So we're not surprised, I shouldn't say we're surprised because it's been undersupplying for a few quarters. And now we feel that we're supplying in line with the overall demand. So I don't know whether that is enough for you. Alexander Jones: Yes, that's very helpful. . Operator: The next question comes from Agnieszka Vilela from Nordea. Agnieszka Vilela: So I have a few questions, maybe starting with the first one on the growth trajectory in the quarter, if you could share any flavor of how was development in September? And then also, how is it progressing in October? And then also, Peter, I think before you used to refer to your order intake. So how is that developing right now for you? Peter Nilsson: I mean there was an improvement throughout the quarter, but also the trick on Q3 September is always important. Since the other 2 months is a little bit impacted by vacation period. So it was kind of an acceleration in the quarter, so a stronger ending than beginning in the quarter, but we don't, let's say, put too much emphasis on that one. But it is kind of an improvement in the quarter, if I may say. And October, I mean, we don't see any kind of differences and we don't really want to comment on it. So it's really overall guidance remains that we believe is going to be same growth in Q4 with, let's say, some adjustments coming from this extraordinary sales in Medical. So my read this, I mean it might be 4, it might be 3. But I mean, we don't really know. We have an overall good order intake. We have overall good activity level. I mean, we should say book-to-bill in the quarter is positive. We have booked more orders in Q3 than we have been selling. So we are growing the order book. But we also remain a little bit cautious on this because we know there is inventory focus, cash flow focus on some customers. So we don't really want to read too much into it. But if we simply did the Excel sheet calculation, then of course, we will, let's say, be more positive than negative in that one. I don't know whether that is enough, Agnieszka. Agnieszka Vilela: Yes, yes, absolutely. But then maybe if you could give us some color on the regional development as well. Obviously, you have -- you have had very strong development in Asia, now followed by Americas, Europe also now slightly positive. In the next few quarters, do you expect any changes to this order like any other -- any region taking over? Peter Nilsson: No. I mean I think Asia, little bit, has been a little bit extraordinary strong, especially in automotive since we have this big boost. I can't remember exactly, but I think production levels in China for automotive was up by some 12%, 13%. So that's, of course, since we have a high -- good position with a few of our automotive segment, that is benefiting us, but also the overall industrial development in Asia, especially in China has been good for us, somewhat difficult to fully understand, to be honest, but it's been ongoing for quite a few quarters, and we do not expect that to be -- of course, comps getting more difficult going forward. But nevertheless, a good development in there. Europe is probably more tricky in a way to read. But we see -- I mean, in the core, as I commented before, the core Industrial segments of TSS is improving. And that is more -- part of it is a reflection that no more destocking and more of kind of delivery in line with underlying demand. We do not see any kind of inventory buildup at the moment, and that is, of course, if it turns more positive, we will see that as well. So we've been undersupplying for a few quarters. We do expect as the market -- if the markets turn more positive that we will be oversupplying. But we don't really see that happening short term. But if you go into early next year and this development continues, we're probably going to have some of that. U.S. is probably, for us, a little bit more positive than it should be because we have a few project deliveries in U.S., which is kind of impacting the sales there. But nevertheless, let's say, for us, a good positive territory also coming there from kind of hydraulics and the pneumatic segments, which is also a part of our core business in North America for Sealing. I guess that is -- I don't know, Fredrik, if you want to elaborate. I think that is kind of just to be a little bit more color for that development. Agnieszka Vilela: That's very helpful. And then the last one from me. I noticed that you didn't really mention the tariff impact in your report or in your presentation. Was there any kind of growth tariffs now affecting you in the quarter and how are you mitigating those? Peter Nilsson: We have a few individual businesses where we need to kind of redo the supply chain and working with that. But I mean, overall, this kind of minor activity. So that is why we don't see that as a kind of impacting us. We have a very regional setup. We have as I said, manufacturing in Asia, we have manufacturing in Europe, we have manufacturing in the U.S., and we don't really have a lot of these flows going across. I mean, the challenge here is more the metal content where we need to find out. We have a few products, but we have metal content, and that is something where we need to work. And that is also our question going forward on these tariffs in Europe because some of the export business from Europe into other territories might be impacted by that. But it kind of remains an action point and that is something we're working on. But overall, on a group level, we don't see this at any topic in a way, to be honest. Underlying demand could be impacted, I mean to say. But I mean for our trading and margins, it's not really something that we discuss too much. Operator: The next question comes from Forbes Goldman from Pareto Securities. Forbes Goldman: Yes. One question on the TSS margin, which was quite strong here in the quarter. Is this the start of a sustained recovery there? And how are you thinking about the 23% target from here? What do you sort of need to reach it? Peter Nilsson: No. I mean it is a solid, let's say, step in the right direction. Looking at the margin, of course, once again, you need to remind yourself as well that we have also a negative impact from the acquisitions. Of course, it is a step up compared to last year. And we have always said that we're going to get this back to our levels and is kind of step in that direction. And then I don't want to guide exactly what kind of quarter, but it is coming as expected, as planned, if I may say, this margin expansion coming from a little bit bounce back in our core segments of TSS. I mean that is what we've been waiting for. Once again, we refer to this kind of fluid power, hydraulics, pneumatics, that segment, which is the major part of Sealing Solutions, and that is the area which is going to drive this improvement by extra volumes. And also in that extra volumes in the right areas, if I may say, because it's also driving kind of a positive mix within Sealing Solutions. So this is a step in the right direction, and we still have the kind of overall objective to get back to this, say, '22, '23, '24. I mean that is where we want it to be. And we are fairly certain that we are moving in that direction. Forbes Goldman: Great. I have a follow-up on that. TSS margins are typically seasonally weaker during the second half of the year. So could you maybe just say anything directionally about Q4? Peter Nilsson: No, we don't want to do. I mean, we are moving in the right direction, and we are -- of course. I mean TSS is more, should I say, consumable where we supply into the supply chains of a large number of industrial customers. And I mean there is always Christmas breaks and all of that. So it's always a bit softer by the end of the year depending on the activity level that they're planning for after the holidays. And that is the same seasonality as we always have. So it's -- I don't know if we can comment any more on that. I don't think so. I mean that is the way it is. Forbes Goldman: Final follow-up. On the restructuring cost, it looks like quite a big step-up here into Q4. Anything in particular happening there? Fredrik Nilsson: No, nothing really. It's more a timing. So there are some projects that we have worked with for a while, and that will be booked as restructuring costs during the fourth quarter. Operator: The next question comes from Hampus Engellau from Handelsbanken. Hampus Engellau: Could we discuss organic growth on the group level and I guess also in Sealing Solutions, if you would remove Automotive, just to get a sense on how the underlying ex autos is moving, given that we have an opinion on autos going forward? Peter Nilsson: Automotive in Sealing Solutions was not positive. So that is something where we -- because they are severely hit, but they are hit by specialist aftermarket dropped for our brake business. So that is kind of negative. So I mean, if you neglect for Automotive, in Sealing Solutions, is actually going to be even better. So that is the one. We are benefiting from the China OE sales, but that is in no way compensating for the drop in the aftermarket business. But for TSS, I mean it's not a major impact, to be honest, but there is a slight positive in Industrial Solutions in this -- what we call our boots business, where we have a very strong market share in China as well. So that is where we are benefiting. But I mean it's neglectable in a way if you look at Industrial because it's not a major business of Industrial Solutions, but it is positive. So that's one. So the underlying kind of non-automotive organic growth in Sealing Solutions is actually slightly better. Hampus Engellau: Excellent. And do you bear giving some indications on how you see autos -- autos part in Sealing maybe for Q4. I guess you presume you're looking at the S&P numbers and also have an opinion on aftermarket? Peter Nilsson: On the aftermarket -- sorry, your... Hampus Engellau: Yes. I guess on fetching for if you're expecting some contribution in Q4. Peter Nilsson: To be honest on that, we are a little bit surprised that it continued on this low level. It's not that people are kind of changing less brakes. And the only thing we can read into this that there is where we have some carriers, we have some metal content in those and some of our aftermarket customers are kind of reluctant to build. Also, when they order from us in Europe, and we are sending to U.S., it takes 6 to 8 weeks. And it seems like they are not buying, they're not speculating. But of course, the stock is going down and eventually, they need to fill it up. So that is -- I mean, where we are a little bit surprised, to be honest, about this rather dramatic drop in aftermarket, which is not -- I mean, it's not that either that they can buy from anybody else. They need to buy from us and because we are specified and we are kind of regional equipment suppliers, and so that is kind of a strange, which we have now seen for 2, 3 quarters -- 2, 3 quarters. So that is something where we don't fully understand. I mean sometimes you try to understand, but sometimes you cannot get the right answers, but it cannot continue on that. I mean, let's put it, you cannot continue on that level, unless people are neglecting, not changing brakes anymore. Operator: The next question comes from Timothy Lee from Barclays. Timothy Lee: I have a follow-up question on margin. So for Sealing Solutions, there's definitely a very good margin development in the quarter. Can I also say that it is implying some synergies that you get finally from the previous acquisition of MRP. Is it something that kicking in the quarter. And also in terms of the -- your previous target of the 20% run rate EBITDA -- EBITA margin by the end of this fiscal year. Is that still something you are looking for? Peter Nilsson: To talk about synergies, of course. I mean we have always said on MRP that I mean some of the major impact is coming from the hydraulics fluid power segment. And as that now we see finally some improvements in that. Of course, we're getting some benefits from that into the figures. But I mean it's -- MRP is getting more into normal business for us. So it's not really synergies as such. It's more that the market segments, which was strengthened by the MRP has been very soft. And now we see these markets getting back. And then, of course, we get the benefit into the figure. But we are not at the end of that one because it still has to go up. It should still -- I don't know exactly the figures, but we are probably still some 15% or something below kind of the levels where we believe it should be in that particular segment. So that is still at a low activity and especially you're talking about the farming in U.S., you look at little bit construction equipment, which is still, especially the agriculture looks still very soft. And that, of course, we're starting -- if you talk to the new administration in the U.S., I don't know -- it's difficult to kind of guess where they're heading. But one of the areas which I have not been kind of supporting yet and which have been suffering is, of course, the farmers in U.S. So if something comes into that area, we should see even better improvements, especially in that segment. About 20% is still within reach, but I mean it's going to be tough to get there, I mean, to be very open to get to that level here already in Q4, but we are moving in the right direction. And we still see that with the reach in a not-too-distant future. But I mean I shouldn't sit here and say that we can get to 20% in Q4, because that has been -- there has been some market development. We know the tariff situation. We know the geopolitical areas and we know this kind of softness still in the construction and, let's say, still -- yes, quite some distance to go before we are back to normal, especially in this fluid power, which is once again the major segment of Sealing Solutions. Timothy Lee: Understood. Very helpful. And my another question would be on your M&A potential. So Continental actually previously mentioned, they could probably look for the divestments of the ContiTech business. I'm not sure whether you can comment on this or whether it is something that you may see interest or if it's in your M&A portfolio? Peter Nilsson: Yes. I mean the overall ContiTech is definitely a lot of interest for us because the majority of the ContiTech business has no -- I would say, we are in the same overall segment. But if you look at their conveyer belts or timing belts or also this what I call surface solutions. I mean it's nothing to do with that. We have some overlap in terms of nonautomotive anti-vibration and some fluid or [indiscernible], which, of course, we will be interested if we could cherry-pick, but I don't think there will be any kind of cherry-pick possibilities. So I mean, we're watching it. We're looking at it. But overall, ContiTech is a not of interest for us. Operator: There are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments. Peter Nilsson: Thank you. And thanks for listening in our quarterly call. And summary of a good quarter for us, a good organic growth, good margin development and an improved demand throughout the quarter. We still note that there is still a lot of uncertainty in the, let's say, the global arena. And that is, of course, something we're watching, but we feel confident that we're going to continue to improve Trelleborg, and continue to build a better Trelleborg with ambition, of course, to deliver even better figures going forward. So thanks to all of you, and I am happy to support you in individual calls. Christofer is always available and so are Fredrik and myself, if you want any follow-up discussions or get some clarity on other issues not covered in the call. So thanks again, and see you soon and do take care.
Operator: Welcome to the conference call. [Operator Instructions] Now I will hand the conference over to the speakers. Please go ahead. Anand Srivatsa: Okay. Thank you, and welcome again, everyone. This is Anand Srivatsa. I'm the CEO of Tobii. Joining me today is Asa Wiren, who is our Interim CFO, along with Rasmus, who heads our Investor Relations. I want to remind you that I have announced my decision to resign from Tobii in August of this year. My intention is to move back to the United States for family reasons, and my family has already relocated. I will remain with Tobii in my current role until the end of January 2026, and the Board is in the process of looking for a new CEO. And at this point, we do not have any additional information to share on the process. Now let's move on to the quarterly results. Q3 was a weak result for Tobii on both the net sales basis as well as on overall results. The net sales reduction is related to the end of acquisition-related revenue as well as lower-than-expected revenue in all 3 segments. In the Products & Solutions segment, we saw a year-on-year decline in revenue because of weakness in the U.S. market, while other regions demonstrated growth. In the Integration segment, we saw weakness in our XR NRE project pipeline, but we do expect to see some improvement in Q4 as customers shift their focus to new smart glasses type of solutions. On the Autosense side, we had a reduction in year-on-year revenue, but this is related largely to revenue recognition timing based on NRE projects. We expect that the Autosense business will show robust growth on a full year basis, and we expect that quarterly revenue levels will become more stable as we transition from NRE to license revenue over the next couple of years. The overall lower levels of revenue resulted in lower overall result, but we have still taken steps to move towards profitability with one clear example of our -- being our cash-related OpEx being 30% lower than the comparable quarter last year. Beyond the financials for the quarter, this was a milestone quarter for our Autosense business with our single camera DMS and OMS offering launching at IAA Munich. I will speak more about the significance of where we are with Autosense at the end of this presentation. Finally, we continue to be extremely focused on addressing our financing needs for the company. This has been an explicit focus over the last 1.5 years. Evaluating where we stand at the end of Q3 2025, we assess that we need additional cash to ensure that we are adequately financed for the next year. We intend to take the following steps to address this. We're taking a new cost savings target to reduce cash-related OpEx by SEK 100 million versus our Q2 2025 baseline for the 12 months that follow that timeline starting in Q3 2025. We're also continuing our strategic review process, including the divestment of assets, and this effort has made progress over the quarter, and we expect that a successful outcome will substantially strengthen our cash reserves. The Board has also selected an external adviser to evaluate capital market options as a backup for these strategic initiatives if needed. With the combinations of these tools, we believe that we can address our financing need for 2026. Before we discuss our financial results in detail, let's take a quick overview of our 3 business segments. Tobii is organized into 3 business segments with each of them at different stages of maturity and scale. Our expectations are that the Products and Solutions and Integration business segment will be profitable in the near-term, while Autosense is still in an investment phase. The Products & Solutions business delivers vertical solutions to thousands of customers every year, ranging from university research labs to enterprises and PC gamers. In Q3 of 2025, the Products & Solutions business represented 53% of Tobii's net sales. The EBIT result of Q3 of negative SEK 22 million is a slight improvement versus our last year results despite revenue decline because of our lower OpEx level. The Integration business segment engages customers who integrate Tobii's technologies into their offerings. This segment also includes some revenue from acquisition-related revenue. The onetime effects of that have ended in Q2 2025. In Q3 2025, this business represented 43% of Tobii's net sales, and this business was profitable for the sixth straight quarter. The result for the quarter does reflect temporary effects of the Dynavox contract that we signed in Q2 2025. The Autosense business segment sells driver monitoring and occupancy monitoring software solutions to automotive OEMs and Tier 1s. In Q3 2025, this business represented 4% of Tobii's overall net sales and delivered overall net sales. The business delivered minus SEK 42 million EBIT, a slight improvement versus last year despite a lower revenue level, lower capitalization and higher levels of depreciation. We expect the Autosense business to show solid revenue and profitability improvement on a full year basis. Now over to Asa for the detailed financials. Asa Wiren: Thanks, Anand, and good morning, everyone. Needless to say, Q3 was a weak quarter. Product & Solutions has its market challenges, for example, in the U.S., integrations, where the last part of the Dynavox deal did not fully compensate for the acquisition-related revenue that ended in Q2. For Autosense, we see a timing matter. Operating result and margin have decreased compared to last year, even if our cost levels is significantly lower. On that note, I will already now put some more flavor to our new savings target that Anand mentioned. When we presented our Q2 results, we emphasize that our cost reduction and efficiency focus still remains. Our target is to lower cost by at least another SEK 100 million for the 4 quarters starting Q3 2025 compared to Q2 2025. This is the same methodology we used for our previous initiative for which we reached savings of SEK 263 million, SEK 63 million above the target. This demonstrates that we have the ability to deliver. The savings will further rightsize the company for us being able to continue our product development and meet customer demands. That being said, let's move to Page 6 and look at some group details. I've already commented on the figures as such, but what this illustrates is the impact of the work that has been done. We see overall EBIT and EBIT margins lower than the comparable quarters last year. This is, of course, driven by lower revenue levels, but also by lower levels of capitalization and higher level of depreciation in this quarter. If we normalize for effects of capitalization and depreciation, we would have an improved level of profitability in this quarter. This improvement is due to the significant progress we have made on cost reductions. We are on the right track, but more work needs to be done. Turn to Page 7 for some Product and Solutions comments. The negative sales trend continues with a decline of 5% in organic growth and is mainly related to the Americas. Cost level is lower than previously. And to remind ourselves, in Q2 this year, write-downs of SEK 33 million impacted EBIT. Turn to Page 8 for some integrations comments. The last part of the Dynavax prepurchase deal did not fully compensate for the acquired imaging-related revenue that ended in Q2. As mentioned in Q2, from Q3 and onwards, there is a quarterly minimum guarantee in the Dynavax deal until 2029. We also saw fewer nonrecurring revenue projects during the third quarter. Turn to Page 9 for the Autosense segment. This segment is still in a phase with lumpy timeline dependent revenue as well as with nonrecurring revenue. These elements impact both how revenue is recognized and cost, such as capitalization and depreciation, as mentioned before. In Q3, revenue was pushed forward, capitalization decreased and depreciation increased. Let's continue to Page 12 for comments on our balance sheet and cash flow. During Q3, Tobii repaid SEK 91 million of its COVID-related tax release. This remaining -- the remaining debt has been reclassified to short-term and long-term interest-bearing debt previously reported as current liabilities. In Q4, we received the last SEK 45 million from Dynavox prepurchase deal. Where we are right now, there is a risk of insufficient financing for the coming 12 months. Having said that, with the measures taken and in progress, I repeat that we believe we can address the financing needs for 2026. With that said, thank you for your time, and over to you again, Anand. Anand Srivatsa: Thank you, Asa. Now I'm going to spend a few minutes talking a little bit more about Autosense. Q3 2025 was a milestone quarter for this business, and I want to share with you where we stand in our journey to become a leader in automotive interior sensing. First, let's take a look back at what has happened since our acquisition of the FotoNation business in February 2024. Since making the acquisition, we have built a comprehensive and combined road map that enables us to offer a leading in-cabin sensing product portfolio. This was capped off with the successful launch and final release acceptance of our SCDO product in Q3. We have continued to demonstrate our credibility in bringing our solutions to vehicles on the road over the last 1.5 years. We've increased the number of OEMs who are choosing Tobii solutions from 9 to 12, and our solutions are being deployed in volume from 300,000 vehicles on the road at the time of the acquisition to more than 800,000 vehicles currently. We are working hard on ensuring that our solutions meet the demanding requirements of the automotive industry in terms of quality and process. Notably, we have achieved ASPICE Level 2 for our SCDO program operating as a software Tier 1 to a leading European OEM. Our solutions have also achieved regulatory approval with EU homologation for both our DMS and SCDO offering. Finally, we have built an efficient and empowered team where Autosense engineering has been consolidated into Romania, and the organization has more centralized responsibility to deliver on our ambition by having functions from engineering to sales reporting into the same leader. We have realized the investment synergies as part of getting this efficiency by reducing our investment levels by more than 40% versus our 2024 peak. Looking back, I would say that we have substantially realized the rationale for the acquisition, including the synergies we expected. We have done this by reducing our overall investment, building a leading product portfolio and increasing our credibility in the automotive industry. A critical aspect of building automotive credibility is showing that your technology can get through the rigorous testing and validation of OEMs and start shipping in vehicles on the road. Tobii's Autosense Interior solutions have been shipping in vehicles on the road in 2019, and we continue to see significant growth in this footprint. As of the end of Q3 2025, we have more than 875,000 vehicles on the road with Tobii solutions, and we expect that this number will continue to accelerate as our high-volume passenger car wins get into production in 2026. Now I want to talk a little bit more about building a leading product portfolio for in-cabin sensing. The rationale for making the acquisition of FotoNation was the realization that for success in this space, Tobii required a full offering, not just driver monitoring systems. We could already see in 2023 that RFQs were looking for offerings that could support both driver and occupancy monitoring. Our belief was that the market would see increased adoption of DMS and OMS to the point that they would both become required capabilities. We are already seeing the early stages of this play out as we expected. Camera-based DMS is already a requirement in the EU starting in 2026. And we now see that Euro NCAP requirements for 5-star safety require more occupancy monitoring capabilities over the next few years. We believe that for new platform shipping in 2028, OMS will be required to get a 5-star rating. Tobii has been shipping DMS and OMS systems into vehicles in the road since 2019 and 2021, respectively. We recognize that while in DMS, we are not the market leader, our bet has been to move -- that move into a leading position in the space is based on our leadership in single camera DMS OMS and that this method will be the preferred deployment for in-cabin sensing systems in the future. Over the last 3 years, Autosense has pitched single-camera DMS OMS, but this approach has been met with skepticism as companies were unsure whether DMS from a rearview mirror location would get regulatory approval. This concern from the industry reflects the fact that DMS methodology from a rearview mirror position is quite different than the typical DMS systems that are deployed today, which have a much clearer and closer view of the driver's face. Given this context, our achievement this quarter is extremely meaningful in both getting EU homologation for our support regulatory approval and getting acceptance for our final release for our premium European OEMs launch in the second half of this year. We expect that our SCDO system will start shipping with our OEM in the second half of 2025 and be in end customers' hands in early 2026. Now we have expected over the last year -- last 3 years that a single camera DMS and OMS solutions mature, that the industry as a whole will also validate our view that this approach is not only feasible, but the most cost-effective approach for in-cabin sensing. The question, of course, is when would the industry take notice of SCDO and share their view on this approach? I am thrilled that we have seen significant industry momentum already this month with the keynotes and presentations at in-cabin Barcelona 2 weeks ago. At the event, Volkswagen, Magna and Gentex, leading OEMs and Tier 1s in the industry, shared their view of the suitability of doing DMS and OMS from the rearview mirror position. Volkswagen was even more specific, as you can see the slide that's shared on the screen about the benefits that this approach offers over traditional DMS and OMS systems that require 2 cameras. They shared that the single camera approach from a rearview mirror position saved over 30% of BOM cost, implementation cost, design complexity, et cetera. This is a stunning number that validates our view that SCDO will likely be the volume deployment for in-cabin sensing in the future. The outcome from this event is certainly surprising to us, but surprising for industry analysts as well. To quote Colin Barnden, principal analyst from Semicast Research from his post on LinkedIn following this event, he says, "What came over me in Barcelona is the sudden shift in industry awareness of the viability of both driver and occupant monitoring from the mirror. For several years, it has been clear there was a campaign of misinformation from some parties saying that the mirror is unsuitable for driver cabin monitoring. Those voices magically have become advocates of this idea already. He declares in his post that after the event, the question is, why wouldn't an OEM do DMS and OMS from the mirror? We at Tobii could not agree more. With a proven and mature offering that has gone through grueling acceptance test at one of the most demanding OEMs in the world, Tobii is well positioned to win as more OEMs come to the conclusion that DMS and OMS from the mirror is the most cost-effective and scalable approach for in-cabin sensing. Okay. Let's wrap up. Q3 2025 was a mixed quarter where we saw significant milestones achieved in Autosense, but where we saw weak revenue in the quarter that resulted in lower profitability. Our ambition in the long-term is clear that we intend to be leaders in all of our business segments and execute in a profitable and financially self-sustainable way going forward. We are already leaders in our Integrations and Products and Solutions business segments. And the progress that we have made so far in the Autosense business segment and industry validation of our approach puts us in a great position to build a leadership position as SCDO scales in the market. In the near-term, we have a key focus on addressing our financing needs. We will address this with 3 major approaches. The first is our new cost reduction target, which will reduce our cash need in 2026. We're also executing on a strategic review, which includes potential divestments, and our belief is a successful outcome in this area will substantially strengthen our cash reserves. Finally, the Board has engaged an external adviser to evaluate capital markets options as a back for these strategic initiatives. We are confident that with these tools, we will be able to resolve our near-term financial needs and allow us to focus on our objective to achieve sustained profitability, which we remain fully committed to. With that, thank you, and over to Q&A. Operator: We have received several questions about our combined DMS and OMS solution, how our offering compares to our competitors, what Tobii's position in the market is relative to our competitors and how we view the time line regarding ramp-up of SCDO. Can you please provide a comment on these questions? Anand Srivatsa: Absolutely. As I shared in my deeper dive on Autosense, we believe that we have been the clearest voice around the fact that the most scalable and most cost-effective approach for in-cabin sensing is a single camera DMS and OMS offering from the rearview mirror position. There are other players who have launched hardware solutions. And from our proprietary research, we believe that at the time of our launch, we have the most complete offering as well as an offering that delivers both DMS and OMS. We believe that our position in this space is that we have the leading offering here as well as an offering that has both proven itself and has matured as we have had to go through acceptance as a software Tier 1 for one of the most demanding OEMs in this space. We acknowledge that, of course, in this in-cabin sensing arena, we are not the -- driver monitoring systems, but our bet for getting to a long-term leadership position is that as SCDO sales, our leading position will put us in a great place to go and win future RFQs. We recognize again that over the last couple of years, there has been industry skepticism about whether a single camera approach will work, especially because the position of the sensors are farther away from the driver. We believe that a lot of these concerns are being addressed now with the successful launch that we have enabled, and we believe that RFQs will increasingly request this type of approach, and we are well positioned to win in the space. Operator: Is Tobii provider for eye tracking to Samsung Moohan? Anand Srivatsa: Samsung announced a new high-end VR headset. We are not the eye-tracking provider for that headset. Operator: Did you receive the SEK 30 million out of the SEK 100 million in Dynavox revenue in cash this quarter? And did you also receive the SEK 45 million in royalty from Dynavox from previous quarter this quarter? Anand Srivatsa: And I'll let Asa take that and clarify that question. Asa Wiren: We received the SEK 30 million in Q3 and the SEK 45 million in Q4. Operator: What types of assets are you planning to divest? Would you consider divesting one of the business units? Anand Srivatsa: Again, as you can imagine, these strategic reviews are extremely sensitive. We're not going to go into details of exactly what assets we are planning on divesting except for the fact that we believe that a successful outcome here will substantially strengthen our cash reserves. We will share more details as possible as these activities progress into maturity. Operator: Thank you for this presentation. On Autosense, in materials from Qualcomm, Tobii is a pre-integrated partner. What does this mean? Also, this seem to be a much wider opportunity than with EU regulatory requirements. What is your look on this? Anand Srivatsa: One of the big advantages of the engagement that we have had is that our solution is shipping on Qualcomm's Snapdragon Ride platform with our premium OEM. This has meant that we have done substantial work to go and pre-integrate the solution. Qualcomm's expectation is that they want to sell a pre-integrated solution that delivers their domain controller type architecture along with their ADAS functionality. The ADAS functionality does depend on capabilities that are enabled by in-cabin sensing technologies that we have -- like we have. We believe this is a big asset for Tobii, not only that we've gone and delivered a mature and proven platform, but that partners like Qualcomm see our solution as pre-integrated and an easy way for them to scale their offerings into the automotive industry as well. Operator: What is the total cost in absolute numbers for OMS and DMS for the car manufacturer? Please elaborate on the topic. Anand Srivatsa: We cannot, of course, share algorithm pricing levels. And in terms of overall system cost, you will have to go and speak to the Tier 1s who typically provide the hardware. Again, what I think is super meaningful as we look at the in-cabin sensing opportunity as a whole is that DMS and OMS are increasingly becoming requirements in this market. And therefore, from a regulatory perspective, these are required systems. And again, there's high interest from the OEMs to offer these in the most cost-effective and scalable way possible. The fact that Volkswagen has been clear that there is a substantial cost savings by offering DMS and OMS from a rearview mirror position in a single camera offering validates our view that this will be the way that in-cabin sensing is typically delivered to go and ensure that you can meet your regulatory needs. Operator: Is it correct to assume that you are involved in Samsung XR through your collaboration with Qualcomm? Anand Srivatsa: So you should assume that we are talking to lots of different companies in the XR space. We're talking to most of their leaders. We understand that people make decisions on their choices of algorithms for a variety of reasons. As I've mentioned before, on the specific Samsung Moohan VR headset, we are not the eye tracking provider in that system. Operator: Is the total Dynavox royalty SEK 52 million or SEK 45 million from Dynavox? In that case, when are the remaining SEK 7 million received in cash? Asa Wiren: The total is SEK 52 million, and the cash was delivered in Q4. Operator: Congratulations to fast acting. Is Tobii eye tracking integrated in Sony Siemens XR headset? Anand Srivatsa: I don't think we have made any announcement there. We will -- again, we will not comment on that particular headset. Okay. Thank you very much. That's the end of the Q&A section. Thank you all very much for participating, and we look forward to sharing our next set of results with you in 2026. Thank you. Operator: Thank you.
Krister Magnusson: Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Nilörn Q3 interim report presentation. I know that today there's lot of presentations, a lot of companies. So I really appreciate that you take your time to join our presentation here. Myself, I am in Portugal at our factory here. As you probably know, we're doing quite the big adjustments in the factory, uplift in the factory, so here to follow that. So it's an interesting project going on. So I think that will be really good for Nilörn in the future. But I'm sitting here on a small laptop and I think it will work out well. So I will start sharing my screen and put that on presentation mode here. Yes. Now we start. The Q3, we are quite pleased with the Q3. The order intake here was negative 13%. But if we take into consideration that we had a big packaging order in Q3 last year on SEK 18 million, and that will come now in Q4 instead, that is around 7% of the explanation. We also have another currency effect explaining another 6%. So adjusted for the currency effect and this packaging order, it's quite flat. In general, it's a difference between the segments. Luxury segment is still quite weak, though the Outdoor and the other segments are quite strong. So still weakness in the luxury segment, no big improvement there. Sales up 10%, and adjusted for the currency effect, it's actually up 18%. I think it's partly -- we had a quite weak Q2, so it is spillover from the Q2. Looking at the different months, so it was quite strong both in July, August and September. So we're quite even throughout the quarter. And here, we see also in the Outdoor segment and the other segments, but still a bit weaker in the luxury segment. Operating profit, SEK 26.3 million versus SEK 15 million last year, and that gives an operating margin of 11.4% in the quarter. And as you probably know, the goal has been or should be between 10% to 12%. That is the goal we have set. So we in quarter, we target that. Looking at the P&L here. Also, we have a quite strong currency impact on the whole P&L and not only the top line. As you know, most of our business is handling outside Sweden. In Sweden it's mainly sales companies, but we don't do any invoicing from Sweden at all. And then we have the headquarter costs. So we have some costs in Swedish krona, but the majority and all the invoicing is outside Sweden. Yes. And what I want to say more here is also looking at the tax rate, tax rate for the quarter is 24.6%, and that is in line also with the accumulated number. We'll see what happens with the tax rate in the fourth quarter. It's always adjustments and everyone is doing proper calculation, really the calculation of the tax. But we think it will be in line with this 24.6% also for the full year. Personnel cost has quite been stabilized now on this level, I would say, also currency impact on this level and other external costs, but coming back to that a little bit later. Split by product group, not so big difference compared to last year. It's mainly in packaging. That has gone down and it's contradictory to what we do now. We're putting quite a lot of effort into the packaging. And the reason why packaging was down here is due to the luxury segment as we still have quite big packaging delivery to the luxury segment. But they are overstocked so it will take some time. So I think it will take like in mid-2026 until we are back into normal deliveries for the luxury segment in packaging. Looking at the quarterly income statement and the gross margin. Normally, the Q3 has a quite strong gross margin and also this quarter, as you can see here, if you're looking at the historical level. The reason for that is we have less packaging, packaging has a lower gross margin, and less packaging in Q3 normally and also this quarter. Operating cost is also lower normally in Q3 and also this quarter, and that is due to the holiday. Most countries take holiday in July, especially in Europe. So that's why that has a big impact on the quarter 3. Operating profit. As you see, it was a strong operating profit this quarter. And as I explained, it was not only one single month. I think it was strong all the July, August and September. And of course, you who have learned Nilörn now, it's very much volume driven. Once we get good volumes in a quarter or in a year, we also get a good profit. It goes a long way down. So we're very much depending on getting volumes. And then if you look at the similar but in a graph. And also that is to say that in the past, it was always Q2 and Q4 that was sticking out as the best quarter. Nowadays, we see it's very much flat. So it's the change of purchasing pattern from our customers. So they even out much more, buying much more into season and much more shorter lead times. And that makes our pattern different than it used to be. And here, it's also following the profitability, just in a graph. And you can see here now Q3, that was quite strong. Balance sheet. We have a strong balance sheet, an equity level of almost SEK 350 million. And that is good because we're now taking more and more time to search and see for acquisitions and so on. I will come back on that. And also we're doing at the moment both a big investment in Bangladesh and also in Portugal. Also coming back to that later in the presentation. Just want to raise here. As we are an international company, relatively our size, we are in 19 countries and with only the headquarters in Sweden, and therefore, we have a big part of our equity abroad. And that also had a big -- currency has a big impact when we translate the equity in the different countries into the Swedish krona. And this now in 2025, that's had a negative impact on the equity of SEK 32 million. And of course, in the past, we also have had positive impacts. But now due to the relatively strong Swedish krona, that has an impact. Financial indicators, I will not go through them so much. But I just want to mention here, we are almost 700 employees. And as you can see here over these years, we have increased that quite much. That is mainly in the production companies, mainly in Bangladesh, I would say. But also we have invested in other specialist areas, where we employ people to be in forefront with the competitors. And we also invested in countries like U.S. Also coming back to that later on. In U.S., now we have 4 people. This one, this is to explain the movement we have done between year 2020 and today. We, by heritage, has been really strong in design and we continue to be work on that. So design is a strong unique selling competence for Nilörn. We have in packaging started and done much more here effort. We have a really good collection. We have a Category Manager working with that. And so we're really taking a big step forward in packaging. Packaging, as I mentioned, we're also delivering into the luxury segment. But we're also packaging for sports and for Outdoor segment. We're talking here about underwear packaging, sock rider and so on. So it's not packaging for corrugated, standard brown packaging. It's more for the garments and for luxury segment. Financial strengths. We have had a strong balance sheet for many years, but we even now has even stronger. Sustainability, CSR and compliance is an area where we have put a lot of effort and employed people all around the world to build up that, which gives us also -- in the past, we were talking about design. But I would say now sustainability is another core competence that is unique -- I would not say unique, but a selling point for Nilörn, what we push for and where the clients appreciate our offer. Digital solutions and Nilörn:CONNECT, this one is something we didn't have. We had digital solutions like RFID in the past and so on, but now we're taking even more steps into this. I will explain, coming back to Nilörn:CONNECT, what that is all about a little bit later. Global deliveries. What I mean by that is that we're setting up distribution companies in new countries like in Vietnam end of last year and also now in Sri Lanka, but also we are setting up a company in U.S. So we're getting more and more international. Yes. Big currency impact both on the top line and in the balance sheet. And I used to say that we are quite well hedged. We match the cost with the income. So we take a country like Hong Kong, we have big income there. And then we have all the costs matching that. And then in the end, we have a net profit. So in different countries, we are matching quite well. But in the end, we have a profit that will be converted back to Swedish krona. And in my example then, the Hong Kong dollar will have an impact, as you saw earlier on the equity. As I mentioned, still volatility in the luxury market. And we see now less uncertainty due to the tariffs. We'd learned to live and also, I would say, it doesn't affect us directly. It's more indirect effect. It's our client that export to U.S. that has been affected. And I think the uncertainty is most -- I mean, as long as you have the uncertainty, you don't dare to move. But now the uncertainty moves away so it's more movement in the market. Operating profit, we mentioned already. Portugal factory where I am at the moment. We have been here in Portugal like in 40 years. So the factory needs an uplift. We looked at moving the whole factory but we decided to stay. We think there is less risk in that. And we moved out to warehouse to get more space in the factory. And at the moment, we are changing the complete layout inside the factory and to get a much more flow into the factory and also implementing LEAN. So that is good. I think Nilörn Portugal had tough times 10, 15 years ago, but that is now one also a competitive edge for Nilörn, to have a good factory in Europe. Building for the future, that was where we now employed or built up these specialists we have within the group, where we have compliances, our packaging materials. And that is supporting sales. So I would say being a salesperson in Nilörn today versus 5, 10 years ago is a totally different story. In the past, we were out selling labels. Now it's all about selling a concept. And the client is much more demanding now as it has been in the past. Yes, here is the specialist here in different in areas. And then we increased in production capacity. Here, we also have Bangladesh. We are currently -- I mean, we've got the land now and we're doing soil test and we are working on that. But it will take some time. And we said earlier that it probably most likely will be ready by end of 2026. Now we say it will be ready in first half year 2027. We've done geographical expansion, as I mentioned. We see a consolidation in the market. We've seen [ TIMCO ], we've seen SML. We see Avery and all the companies are taking part of that. And we also see companies now that are for sale and actively selling, looking at the label market as such. There are a few big players. It's a mid-segment and there's quite a long tail of small niche players that is working in one market or with a few products. And for Nilörn, we come to the stage now that we're putting much more effort into this, and we have a team dedicated to search for this. And what are we looking for? I think here, we will search for companies that can contribute either geographical expansion in areas and countries where we are not strong in. It could be like France. It could be Holland. It could be Spain. It could be U.S., where we can take more geographical expansion. Or it can be vertical integrations in areas where we are not strong like in heat transfer or in RFID or in packaging. So we're not sure that we will succeed, but we now definitely take this seriously and put much more effort into that. I presented this earlier. There are some new slides. I will just add them quite quick here. What Nilörn:CONNECT is about. Nilörn:CONNECT is the QR code, like you can see on a jacket here, where we have a system -- it is a system behind. That is the Nilörn:CONNECT. And it's a QR code and it's an NFC or RFID. And why Nilörn:CONNECT? We see three reasons why people want to go into buying Nilörn:CONNECT. One is the legal compliance. The legislation, Digital Product Passport, that is here to come. They will come, I would also present that, soon here. So this will be a must for our clients. So this is a headache that we, through our Nilörn:CONNECT, can be part of solving their problems. Then there are more nice to have for them. We can be part of the trend. Now we see repair, resell, recycle, where you have this QR code and the information carrier. And consumer engagement. They, through the QR code, can have consumer engagement and communicate with the end consumers. And that will drive sales, create loyalty and acquire new customers. Just the timeline regarding the DPP. It has been going on for some years with a lot of discussions, a lot of preparation. Some clients are in this already, not in the DPP but into the Nilörn:CONNECT, and have this providing information to the end consumers about their garment and their sustainability. And in 2026, [indiscernible] expected for the first product groups, and the first is apparel and accessories. And in 2027, batteries we go full live with DPP. And the mid of '27, we expect that the DPP will be a fulfillment for textiles. And through this QR code, when you scan it, you can have carbon footprint, you can have the different certificates they have on the garment, production history and the country where it's produced and so on, recycle instruction. All that is within the DPP fulfillment. To the brand owners, we provide them with information so they can see what countries they have been logged in. They can see how many scans they have had, what garments they are scanning. They can also see if they have a QR code outside the jacket and inside the jacket, and they see the difference how that is scanned. So we also provide information to the brand owners. And like this, they can see on the map here where it is scanned. And also what we have been working on is an AI tool, talking to the product. And when you're scanning the QR code, you get to the page where you can write and communicate with them through an AI tool and ask questions. I got this spot on my jacket here, how should I remove that and so on. And that we also do in cooperation with brand owners. So we make sure that we provide the information that they want. We can go out widely in the Internet or we can just provide their database and provide information that they have in their database. And this you have seen in the past, the financial target and so on for Nilörn. We have, yes, achieved 7% growth with an operating margin above 10%. Yes. Good. I will stop sharing this, and coming back to you and see here -- and Maria is also with me, I forgot to mention at the beginning, Maria, the CFO for Nilörn. And Maria, do we have any questions for us? Maria Fogelstrom: Yes. Actually we have only received one question. And that is the question about the sales split between outdoor and luxury, the percentage for each segment. Krister Magnusson: Yes. Outdoor is still the biggest, absolutely biggest. Luxury segment, we started off with a few years ago, and we see that the luxury segment is coming and we think we can do much more there. And the split here, I don't have the exact numbers, but I would guess that the Outdoor is between 25%, 30% and luxury is between 5% to 10%. But what's interesting with luxury is that we can do much more. Luxury, in the country, it's France. It's in Italy. Outdoor is mainly in -- and Outdoor, I would say outdoor sports, it's mainly in Scandinavian countries, in Germany and in the U.K. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you for that. Now we received some more, so I will continue here. We also got a question about the EBIT. Could you elaborate on how much of the EBIT that comes from operating leverage and how much that is due to recent efficiencies? Krister Magnusson: I think most is -- I mean, as I mentioned, the volume matters a lot. I talked also last time that we intend to do cost savings. We have a program here. We have not launched all of that yet. And cost is -- but we're also taking on cost here, moving into new countries and so on. So for me, this quarter is volume driven, I would say. Maria Fogelstrom: And continuing on the cost savings because actually we got the question about that as well. And the question is, you previously commented on reducing your cost base in Turkey and doing a similar analysis on other parts of the group. Do you have any updates on that front? Krister Magnusson: Absolutely. We have done that in Turkey. So that is being implemented and fully -- and we are now working on other countries. This is partly, but also that we are moving now volumes from a country like Hong Kong, China into Vietnam and Sri Lanka. So that's moving our cost and, at the same time, doing cost savings. And so that is mainly in the Asian area but partially also in Europe. But at the same time, we're also taking on more and more employees in new assets. They are expensive and so on. But my goal is that we can be more clear on that once we have done the restructuring that we are in the middle of. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you. And now we got a question about the outlook for 2026. Has anything happened during the quarter that changes your view of the market outlook for 2026, specifically regarding different product groups? Krister Magnusson: I cannot say. I think there's nothing new regarding the product group. I hope and think that luxury segment will be back in swing again but I think it will take until mid-2026. For other product group, I don't see any major change, not as it is at the moment, at least. We had, as you know, the Outdoor obviously peaking during the pandemic and then really bounced back. But that is back to normal now. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you. And the last question that we have received is, are there any ongoing discussions to include segment reporting in the quarterly reports? Krister Magnusson: Segment. Maybe qualify what -- because we do segment reporting in the interim report with country-wise. But I assume here, it's more on product group levels, isn't it, I assume they want to know. Maria Fogelstrom: Yes. I would say. Krister Magnusson: Yes. And absolutely, that's a good point. I think that is something that we should consider maybe and see what we can do there. We have not done it in the past, but it's a good point. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you. And that was all of the questions we have received. Krister Magnusson: Super good. Thank you very much for participating today. I know it's a super hectic day with a lot of companies presenting. And thank you very much, and have a great weekend. Thank you. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Schindler Conference Call and Live Webcast on Q3 Results 2025. I am Valentina, the Chorus Call operator. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Lars Brorson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Valentina, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our Q3 2025 results conference call. My name is Lars Brorson. I'm Head of Investor Relations at Schindler. I am here together with Paolo Compagna, our CEO; and Carla De Geyseleer, our CFO. As usual, Paolo will discuss the highlights of our quarterly results and our market outlook, and Carla will take us through the financials. After the presentation, we're happy to take your questions. We plan to close the call at 11:00 in an hour's time. With that, I hand over to Paolo. Paolo, please go ahead. Paolo Compagna: Good morning, everyone. I am pleased to be back to report on our performance in Q3. And as Lars said, let me start by giving you some highlights on Slide #3. Firstly, let me say that we continue to face some growth headwinds in major new installation markets around the world, particularly in China. I will share our order trends in more detail shortly. But before, let me remind what we discussed back in February. A key pillar to our strategy of profitable growth is the pricing discipline. And we demonstrated it again this quarter on a few major projects where the economics were just not consistent with our return expectations. That said, we see good growth momentum in many parts of our organization and particularly in modernization. Here, orders were up over 16% in the quarter despite the strong growth we had in Q3 last year, allowing us to show another quarter of order growth for the group. Second, revenue slowed in the quarter, down 0.5%, whilst our year-to-date revenue is up 0.8%. Also here, the headwind from China intensified in the quarter. But our backlog is growing, up 1.5 percentage points year-on-year in local currency, driven by our modernization business, and we are confident that continuing to expand our capacities, we will execute successfully on this backlog. So I expect us to deliver our full year '25 revenue guidance of a low single-digit growth. Although this is likely to be a very low single digit, similar to what we delivered in '24, as Carla will discuss. Third, we delivered another strong operating margin in Q3 at 13%, up 130 basis points from Q3 last year. And we are now able to revise our full year '25 margin guidance, which we see coming in at around 12.5%. That compares to 12% previously. Carla will provide the detail on that, but I'm very pleased to see that the efficiency initiatives launched over the last couple of years are yielding their results. Now beyond our financial performance, let me touch on some of the other highlights of the quarter. First, we are making very good progress on the rollout of our new U.S. mid-rise product. This product was launched in '24, and we have now successfully delivered and handed over the first units. And our order intake so far in '25 is exceeding our plans. You will remember that this product launch was about leveraging our standardized modular platform and enhancing our mid-rise offering in the commercial and high-end residential segment, a key pillar to our strategy in the U.S. market. Now we are starting to see the results in terms of share gain in the U.S. mid-rise market, which is really encouraging. On to modernization, where we continue to industrialize our operations and standardize our product portfolio. We are seeing very good traction with our standardized packages, which now make up close to 17% of our modernization business. And that is not only driving growth, but also enhancing our competitiveness and supporting our journey towards higher profitability in modernization going forward. Then on the topic of sustainability, I'm very pleased to announce that we are installing the industry's first ever low carbon emission steel elevator. The steel used in this elevator reduces carbon emissions up to 75% compared to conventional production and marks an important step towards our 2040 net zero target. And finally, I'm also proud that we have been recognized by Forbes again this year as being among the world's best employer. In the engineering and manufacturing sector, Schindler was ranked third globally. We have close to 70,000 employees and attracting and retaining talent is absolutely essential to our competitiveness and overall health of the company. Well, so you can imagine this recognition is important for us. Moving to our market outlook for '25 on Slide 4. We expect the service markets to continue to expand across all regions, with the lowest growth rate in the Americas and the highest in Asia Pacific, driven by India. The modernization markets continue to offer a clear growth opportunity across the world with mid- to high single-digit growth outside of China and growth well into double digits in China, with around 100,000 aging elevators approved this year for an upgrade within the government's equipment renewal program. To put the scale of this initiative in the perspective, just imagine replacing all elevators in Australia in a single year. In installation, we continue to expect the global market to decline by high single digits, mainly due to a low teens contraction in China, where home starts by floor area continue to fall by close to 20% year-on-year in the January to September period, following a 3 years of 20-plus percent declines. Home sales have dropped 5% overall with only the 4 Tier 1 cities showing a slight increase with all other cities facing steep declines. Across the EMEA region, in addition to good growth in countries such as Spain, now also the important German market appears to have found a bottom and is expected to gradually recover going forward. The so-called Bau-Turbo initiative to fast-track housing project recently approved by the German government should be seen as a positive development overall as it aims to simplify planning, shorten approval times to 3 months and allowing flexibility in building rules to tackle the housing shortage in the coming quarters and years. Asia Pacific, excluding China, is projected to grow by mid-single digits, led by India and Southeast Asia with conditions improving in Australia and the U.S. new installation market has shown remarkable strength, further increasing from a tough Q3 '24 comparison point. In addition, we saw better data coming from Brazil in Q3 '25. And we have, therefore, decided to revise our Americas new installation market outlook to stable from slight down previously. So how did we perform in this market environment in the third quarter of the year. Turning now to Slide 5. Starting with service. Our portfolio units continue to expand, showing the strongest growth in Asia Pacific, excluding China. In Americas, we saw a slight decrease as a result of our increased selectivity when it comes to recaptures that we decide to pursue as well as from softer conversions. As a reminder, we saw a decline in our NI orders in '23, and this still has an impact given to the normally longer lead times, especially in North America. On modernization, we have maintained the strong momentum seen in the previous quarters and saw a double-digit growth across all regions, except for Asia Pacific, excluding China, with fewer large projects booked in this particular quarter, Year-to-date, our MOD growth in the region remains in double digits. Finally, on new installation, our global order volumes decreased by double digits due to China, where, as mentioned back in July, we are responding to the prolonged weakness in the NI market by resetting and repositioning our China business towards future growth opportunities. Outside of China, our NI orders grew mid-single digit, driven by an upswing in orders in our Europe, South and South America zone. And it is worth flagging the comparison from quarter 3 last year, which was the best quarter in '24 for NI, particularly due to our strong performance in the Americas. But the U.S. continues to develop well. And as mentioned, we are pleased with the customer reception of our new mid-rise product. With that, let me turn over to Carla to walk us through our financial results in more details. Carla Geyseleer: Thank you very much, Paolo. Good morning, everybody. Pleased to take you through our financials related to quarter 3. So let me start with Slide 7. And as a simple summary of the quarter, we continue to see headwinds to our top line, but we are executing very well on the bottom line. So starting with the headwinds at the top line. So they are particularly severe in China, and we remain committed to our strategy of pricing discipline, as Paolo just mentioned. Now it's also important to note that FX headwinds are definitely not declining. We had a hit of over CHF 100 million this quarter to both the order intake and the revenue. I will elaborate on the top line trends shortly. Now before doing so, let me point 3 highlights for this quarter. Firstly, we had another very strong quarter in terms of operating margins, up 130 basis points for both reported and adjusted EBIT margin. So we continue to make very good progress operationally, and that is obviously translating into a margin expansion, which is coming in slightly better than expected, which is also why we are revising our full year margin guidance. Secondly, our operating cash flow improved both sequentially and compared to last year. And now looking at the operating cash flow year-to-date, we are also up versus '24. So just shy of CHF 1 billion for the first 3 quarters and setting us up for another strong year for cash conversion. Finally, our net profit continues to increase versus last year in both absolute and margin terms, despite the decline in financial income as well as FX headwinds and higher restructuring costs. Now moving to Slide 8 and taking a look at our top line development. Let me first say that we don't see any material shift in order trends overall, even though growth in Q3 came in somewhat lower than in our first half. Now large projects are lumpy, and we had fewer of them this quarter compared to the prior 2 quarters. And if you look at the underlying trends by region and segments, there are 2 things that stand out. First, the continued steep decline in China; second, the strength in modernization. So on China, here, our new installation orders declined by over 30% in value in quarter 3, driving the group new installation orders down mid-single digits in the quarter and more than offsetting the growth we saw in new installation orders outside of China. So even as China becomes or became a smaller part of the overall group orders, it continues to materially impact our growth profile, notably in new installations. However, organic growth was still positive in the quarter due to the growth in service and modernization. So in modernization, order intake was up 16.4% in quarter 3 and this on a tough comparison versus quarter 3 last year when we grew at 20%. And growth was broad-based with strong double-digit growth in Europe and Americas, whilst China had a standout quarter, up well over 50%. Year-to-date, China is up close to 40%. Now this strong order growth in modernization also presents some operational challenges for us in terms of scaling up our delivery capabilities. So the execution of our MOD backlog was not as efficient in quarter 3 as it could have been. So we recognize that, which meant that revenue growth came in at mid-single digits in the quarter, albeit on a tough comparison from last year when MOD revenue grew over 12%. I should say that the slightly longer backlog rotation times are also a reflection of the project mix in the backlog. That said, we expect MOD revenue growth to accelerate in the coming quarters from the level that we have seen now in quarter 3. But it is still the new installation, which is actually burdening our revenue growth, down 10% in Q3, driven by the steep decline in China, which was down over 20%. And with MOD and Service, both growing mid-single digits, that left the total group revenue down 0.5 percentage point in the quarter, but up 0.8% year-to-date. Now as of the quarter end, our backlog was up 1.5% in local currencies, driven by MOD, driven by Service, which had backlogs up mid-teens and mid-single digit, respectively. So our backlog in new installations declined by low single digit. Now in terms of backlog margin, this quarter was slightly down sequentially, but still clearly up year-on-year. And the weaker sequential development was entirely due to the tariffs being reflected in our U.S. backlog. So as our backlog gets repriced over time, you will see the offset to backlog margins. And importantly, excluding the tariff impact, backlog margins continue to improve also sequentially. Now moving on to Slide 9 and looking at our EBIT performance. As I shared already, it's a really strong development now to 13% reported margin in quarter 3 and 13.9% on an adjusted basis. Now the operational improvement of CHF 35 million this quarter primarily reflects the good progress in SG&A savings, but also next to that, the procurement savings continue to deliver. Price and mix were contributors, but less so than the efficiency savings this quarter. Our reported EBIT was burdened by CHF 25 million of adjustments in quarter 3, of which CHF 21 million of restructuring costs, translating to minus CHF 2 million in our Q3 EBIT bridge compared to last year and minus CHF 13 million in our year-to-date bridge compared to last year. Now taking a look at the net profit on Slide 10. Net profit grew to CHF 265 million in quarter 3 reflecting a 9.9% margin and to CHF 796 million year-to-date with a margin of 9.8% despite lower interest income, despite higher restructuring costs and despite onetime financial gains in last year. So we are very pleased with this result. Moving to the operating cash flow on the next slide. So our operating cash flow grew in the quarter as well as on a year-to-date basis. So operating cash flow reached now CHF 967 million for the first 3 quarters of the year, and that sets us on the path to deliver another strong performance in '25, even if we might not hit the exceptional level of last year. The improvement of the operational cash flow is coming from our operating earnings, supported by higher noncash impacts, offsetting a minor headwind of net working capital after the strong improvement in '24 and the missing positive net cash flow from financing income. So that brings me to the guidance for the remainder of the year. And as Paolo mentioned already, we are now specifying our full year EBIT reported margin guidance at 12.5%. So this compares to the previous 12%. And as Paolo and I have discussed, this revision comes primarily on the back of the efficiency initiatives that we have been executing and which are yielding savings slightly ahead of our expectations. We also now have an increased visibility on the impact of the tariffs this year, while the measures also taken to restructure our Chinese operations are partly offsetting the end market headwinds that we are facing here. Finally, the mix headwinds associated with growth in modernization in H2 are somewhat less than we expected in July at the time of our H1 results. And on mix, it is also important to recognize that we are benefiting from the continued outgrowth in our service business. And this revision to our full year '25 guidance also implies that we expect to see continued strong margin improvement year-on-year in the final quarter of the year. Now a small word on tariffs, which I think we have managed well so far in '25. So the U.S. tariff cost now reflected in our backlog. So I just mentioned, we will continue to work on this hard in the coming period to mitigate the impact, including making price adjustments to offset the impact. Now it's fair to say that the U.S. tariff environment remains very dynamic. So let me give 3 additional comments as we see the impact today. First of all, you will recall that with our H1 results in July, we provided you with an estimated annual gross tariff impact of approximately CHF 30 million. What happened since then? Since then, we have had the changes to the reciprocal tariffs, which has taken U.S. tariff levels on Switzerland to 39%. That takes our estimated impact to CHF 35 million from the initially CHF 30 million. So we also had the expansion of the Section 232 tariff list in mid-August, but that had no material impact on our estimate. Finally, we had the recent escalations by the U.S., including a possible 100% tariff on Chinese imports starting 1st of November. If this were to be implemented, that would take the annual gross tariff impact to CHF 72 million. Now we will come back in February with our full year '25 results and update you then on the '26 impact. But I expect us to make good progress on continuing to offset the tariff impact with our mitigating actions. Now with regards to the '25 revenue outlook, I confirm that we expect to deliver on our full year '25 revenue guidance of low single-digit growth, albeit this is likely to be very low single digit, so similar to '24. So in conclusion, let me take the opportunity to thank all our colleagues around the world for their efforts so far in '25, not at least our colleagues in the field who are operating in some exceptionally challenging circumstances in many places around the world. And it's a clear testimony of their contribution to our strong results in the third quarter of this year. And so with that, I hand back to Lars. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Carla. With that, Paolo and Carla are now happy to take your questions. Can I ask you please to limit yourself to 2 questions only, given the limited time we have available. With that, operator, please. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Daniela Costa: I will have 2, but I'll ask them one at a time. The first one is regarding sort of your organic order growth rate today, quite a bit lower, I guess, than one of your peers yesterday. I understand from what you said sort of a much bigger drop in China from you. Can you talk to what extent that is just the regional or the product mix? Or it was more an intended effort to try to control your backlog margin or something else? I'll start there. Paolo Compagna: Daniela, Paolo here. Very clear, China order intake in the quarter is driven by 2 factors. One is obviously our clear dedication in pricing discipline that we watch out what we take into the books as part of our China program we discussed with you back in February. And the second one is also a quarter in which we still see a decline in the market, and we just follow here the trend. So this has impacted our Q3 numbers for the China order intake. Daniela Costa: And then just in terms of sort of the Americas service trend, which seems sort of weak and down. Can you elaborate a little bit? From one side, you're upgrading on the original equipment, but the delivery on the service side seems a little bit on the weak side. What's going on, on the service? Paolo Compagna: Yes. So let me elaborate on the topics. And our upgrade is on new installation going forward, we were not conservative. We were back in July looking at the market trends, and we saw some signs of cooling down in North and South America, which now for the reasons discussed, we say, well, market might stay stable, especially as in North America, we don't see yet a significant negative trend, which would require this adjustment downwards on new installation. But your question was about service, and let me elaborate on this one. Here, there is a mix of 2 factors and also a bit different between North and South America. What we see in Q3 in this quarter is a combination of 2 things. Number one, in the recaptures, we call it recoveries, these are the new service contracts we take on board. We moved to a more diligent way of assessing their economics. This led now in a comparison quarter-on-quarter, quarter to the quarter to a slightly negative trend. And the second one is that you might remember in '23, we were facing a couple of quarters with a slower NI new installation order intake. What we see now is the combination of the slower conversions, which means the contracts, right, which come into service after new installation is finished. And due to the lead time of the NI order backlog from '23, and it's the combination of these 2 factors leads to this mathematical slow Q3 in Service Americas. Operator: The next question comes from Andre Kukhnin from UBS. Andre Kukhnin: I've got 2 and one of them actually dovetails nicely with what Daniela asked about just now. So I'll start with that. I wanted to also ask about the dynamics between modernization and service growth in North America, but also in Europe, where you're seeing such a substantial divergence. And I presume at some point, this strong growth in modernization in all those projects that you execute on in MOD will help converting into service. Is that the case? And could you give us some idea on the kind of lead time on that? And maybe -- sorry to pile them on, but while we're on service, could you give us an idea of what the unit growth was for you globally in the quarter? Paolo Compagna: Thank you, Andre. Let me elaborate on both. Number one was about modernization, how it works into service. So here, obviously, yes, modernization captures as long as they are outside of our portfolio would obviously lead to portfolio gains. So here, the answer is yes, there will be a certain positive contribution to the portfolio, and that's clear one of our targets. This being said, the second part of the first question was about lead times. Here, I must say, a bit different geography by geography, but actually, overall trend is that the lead times on modernization are also going up. So it means the time to convert this modernization, I repeat outside of portfolio. So it's not that entire modernization would add portfolio, but the portion which adds portfolio might start to contribute between end of '26 and going forward. So there is a positive momentum. Yes, there is a time in between, yes, and we expect to contribute from Q4 next year going forward. The second question was about the growth in the portfolio, which we can share on a good low single-digit number. Andre Kukhnin: Great. And I appreciate it more than one question already. So I'll just ask a short one. On the tariffs and the backlog repricing, could you confirm that this is just purely mechanical that's kind of triggering the escalation clauses are already in contracts and it's just a matter of working through that? Or are there new renegotiations to be had with customers? Paolo Compagna: Yes, Andre. We have done, as we shared in July back a little program on it, which is showing good effect. But Carla, you might elaborate on that. Carla Geyseleer: Yes, yes. No, you're absolutely right. Andre, thanks for the question. Yes, I confirm it's rather a mechanical exercise that you need to work through. So because, of course, there is a pricing towards the customer, and there is also a piece in our supplier management side. Operator: The next question comes from Vivek Midha from Citi. Vivek Midha: I have 2 questions. My first is a follow-up around your comment around the margin drag from modernization growth not being as large as you thought. Is that because of that slower conversion of modernization growth that you highlighted, which potentially might then have more of an impact in 2026? Or is it also because of the improved modernization profitability as you've grown? Paolo Compagna: Well, it's a bit of a combination between margin and the rollout of the backlog, and I will leave Carla to come through the details. But actually, the margin within modernization are not deteriorating. The opposite is the case. So your observation, we are improving on modernization margins is right. And is this one of the reasons for having a slower conversion into operating revenue. It's not the case. But Carla, please, would you like to elaborate on this? Carla Geyseleer: Yes, I want to be clear. I mean -- so we have the strong growth in the order intake and a slower realization of the projects itself, but we don't have pressure on the MOD margin. So just to be very clear there. Vivek Midha: Totally understood. My next question is just looking at the headcount, the number of employees. It looks like it's gone down by over 1,000 relative to the second quarter. Is that the effect of your efforts to reposition in China? Or is there something else driving that reduction in the headcount? Paolo Compagna: That's a very good observation. Yes, we announced back in July that we are repositioning our -- especially new installation business in China. And what you see in the overall numbers is mostly that. That's true. Carla Geyseleer: Yes. But this comes on the combination. If you look at the year-on-year versus December, it comes on top of the initiative that we took to reduce our cost levels in the -- mainly in the back office in the indirect part of the headcount, and that is actually what you see coming through. So we are just executing on this. So it's a combination of the 2. Operator: The next question comes from James Moore from Rothschild & Co Redburn. James Moore: Could I ask one on service? I mean if we're talking about a sort of 5% constant currency growth for service, would it be possible to split that between maintenance and repair? Are they at a similar pace? And tied to that, if they're at a similar pace and we're at 5% maintenance growth, is that to say with your good low single-digit comment? 2.5% unit growth and 2.5% price. And I ask because I'd like to unpack that to another level, if I could. And behind the price piece, would it be possible to say how much of that is kind of a wage escalator pass-through versus any other form of premium over and above that, whether digital or other initiatives? And behind the unit growth, is that basically just the past orders coming through? Or have you got any conversion topics like is conversion getting better or worse? Or have you got any win-loss retention topics? And how do you think about maintenance growth going forward for the next couple of years? Paolo Compagna: Good question with some components into it. Let me combine them. So on the first part of your question, service, repair without going to the details of both as we never do. But it's obviously that both are growing together. So as repair, you can only execute on the portfolio you have and with the customers we are happy to serve. So there is obviously a certain correlation between the repair business expansion and the portfolio growth itself. So this is very fair to be assumed. Second part of the first question, are there components of digitalization, monetization of the digital business? Surely, yes. As we announced also previously, we continue our efforts in digitalizing for our customers our services. So we don't only digitalize for ourselves for the beauty of technology. We also have an increased and steadily increasing offering on digital services for our customers, which obviously, yes, starts to get some traction and contribute to this overall picture. So that's absolutely right. And your second question, how we expect this whole service/repair/digitalization business to move. Here, we expect, as mentioned before, that we see at least a steady continuation of this growth in which we absolutely intend to participate. James Moore: And can I just follow up on the NI margin, new equipment? My sense was you were doing better than others in China, and you had some topics in the West, which you're addressing with your standardization program. And we've seen some procurement savings, and I'm sure next year is more about efficiency savings and we're doing amazing things there. But are you seeing a scenario in which is the NI margin down year-on-year? And is it that the Chinese revenue decline is more than offsetting some of the organic actions on the other side or vice versa? Paolo Compagna: Your first assumption, I don't like to comment, as I don't have it. But in terms of margins in new installation, let me share in all clarity that our efforts in improving efficiency in the field, and we have talked about now the last couple of years and intensified last year and this year as now we see -- we start to see really traction in the field, this improvement of margins in new installation in the execution we see everywhere. So now to distinguish between China specific and rest of the world, I would say the improvement in the execution, I would say, is everywhere the same. And to assume that the picture has reverted between rest of the world and China, well, I would say China is more under pressure in terms of margins than the rest of the world. Operator: The next question comes from Rizk Maidi from Jefferies. Rizk Maidi: Just maybe start with a clarification on the full year guidance when it comes to revenues. I think now you're talking about very low single digit, which also means very low single digit for the Q4. How should we think about this? Is still these bottlenecks when it comes to modernization is still going to be there? And how should we also think about the service growth in Americas? You talked about recapture weak NI back in 2023. Does that still means that it's going to be a drag again in Q4 and potentially even 2026? Paolo Compagna: Let me start maybe with the second part on the service in the Americas. Obviously, right to observe that we are now on a level which we also compare to previous year growth rates, right? So is it expected to stay at that level? Maybe we will see not now in the next quarter, but we expect in the quarters to come to see growth again also -- more growth again also in service in Americas. When we get our backlog executed and as I was sharing before, we see certain delays in delivering on the project, which then it's a question of time, we will come back on that. So therefore, if you ask specific on Q4, we expect to be on that level. But going forward, we would also expect to see growth rates again also in Americas. Talking now the order -- revenue for the full year, we expect Q4 to be in line with our plans. So hence, if we see the year-to-date numbers in the Q3, we like to be super transparent in what would be the full year expectation. So we don't worsen it, but we also don't see room to get euphoric on additional revenues. To your observation, is it a timing issue? Is it projects and kind of delays? Yes. So why we still are quite confident for the future to come is that the backlog is promising. We are building up resources to execute on modernization. So your observation is absolutely spot on with the time, and we will see also this OR then picking up. Carla, anything you'd like to add? Carla Geyseleer: No, I think I confirm perfectly. I think we are complete. Rizk Maidi: And then the second one is really just to understand your cost efficiency. We're now getting towards year-end. Maybe if you could just please correct me if I'm missing anything. But my understanding is you're running with different programs. One of them is procurement. The other one is SG&A. There's an FTE sort of reduction or repositioning of your China business. Maybe can we talk about what has been achieved year-to-date? And what should -- how should we think about these -- each component heading into 2026? Carla Geyseleer: Yes. Thank you very much for the question. I will take it. So first of all, the plan has not changed. So we are still working on the same 4 building blocks that we have always been super transparent on. So first of all, starting with the procurement and the supply chain savings, that is the more mature one, and this is now the second year that it continues to fully deliver, and that is also the one with the biggest impact. Now what clearly scaled up during the first 3 quarters, that is the second initiative, the reduction of the SG&A cost. And of course, driving efficiency in the back office, that's what you see also coming through in the headcount reduction. So we started with that in quarter 4 last year, and that is now really delivering. And that will also, yes, I would say, continue to deliver, obviously, not with the same incremental savings, but we have not completely come to an end of that initiative. What is rather new, I would say, in the quarter 3, that is we have also been focusing on driving efficiency in the NI and the MOD business. And that is the third initiative where we see now in quarter 3, the first benefits coming through. So that is, in a nutshell, what you -- what is also flowing through to the bottom line. Now immediately making the step a bit to the period to come. So we definitely still have potential for these building blocks. And there will still be significant amounts coming through. However, the composition will change because, as I said, the procurement savings become more mature. So their relative weight will decline. And of course, also going forward with the SG&A. But then if we execute according to plan, the incremental savings coming from the efficiency in the NI and the MOD will further increase. And also on top of that, efficiency in our service business. So that is, in a nutshell, what is happening and what will -- or what is expected to happen going forward. What is also interesting to see is that we came now to a situation where the efficiencies are actually really offsetting the inflationary effects and becoming even more important than some of the pricing elements in some of the areas. And that was the whole initial target, why we have set up these 4 building plans. And that's why you see the nice uptick in the margins and in the profit. Does that answer your question? Rizk Maidi: Yes. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Rizk. The next question, please, operator? Operator: The next question comes from Vlad Sergievskii from Barclays. Vladimir Sergievskiy: I'll ask 2 and start with modernization. You disclosed standardized MOD solution was 17% of total modernization orders now. Do you think there is a natural limit of how big standard solutions could be in the future compared to the total MOD market? And are those standardized solutions opening new market niches for you in any way? Are they addressing customers that would have perhaps otherwise not ordered at all or ordered it a bit late? Paolo Compagna: Yes. Vlad, to the first part, is there a limitation in the creation of standard solutions? Well, there will be a logical limitation one day as if you recognize that the installed base is a kind of 160 years of elevator technologies built many, many times in many countries by very local companies. So you've got 10,000s of different elevators to be modernized. So let's talk that. With that, you can imagine you cannot have a standard solution for 10,000s of different elevators around the globe. So you're going to fix it by group of similar technologies you can address. So to the first part of your question, is there a limitation? Yes. Are we already there? No. To the second part, -- does it open new opportunities? I personally believe, yes. Then when you get to a standard solution, which could offer to a customer to improve safety, quality and also maybe user experience by having affordable costs, I think there might be a group of customers who today can only go for a full replacement of the elevator, which comes with certain cost and also civil works around it. Now having this opportunity. So to the second question, I personally believe there might be a segment, is it incredibly big? I think it depends from country to country, coming back to my first part of the answer. Then in some countries, we have a bigger number of local products, as we call them, and we have some countries with less number of local products. So in those countries, this opportunity might be bigger. Vladimir Sergievskiy: Excellent. That's very clear. Second one is on the sales mix. Sales mix has been a tailwind to profitability for quite some years. Is there a chance that this tailwind eases or completely stops in '26 when MOD growth accelerates when perhaps new equipment decline slows and maybe grows outside of China and service keep growing as it does. Carla Geyseleer: Well, for sure, I mean, this mix will change. Will it go as fast as you point out? I don't think so. But we definitely -- yes, we definitely have that in our -- calculated that in our plans. So yes. Operator: The next question comes from Martin Flueckiger from Kepler Cheuvreux. Martin Flueckiger: I've got 2, and I'll take one at a time. First one is for Carla. Just coming back to your general comments regarding incremental cost savings from restructuring and operational efficiency going forward. I was wondering whether you'd quantify those for '25 and '26 to -- basically to understand whether there's been any changes? That's my first question. I'll come back to the second one. Carla Geyseleer: Well, as I said, there are no changes in the components that are driving this cost savings, but the relative weight of the components, that, of course, changes because, as I said, if you talk about procurement and supply chain, it's a very mature initiative. So your incremental obviously decreases. This year, we put a lot of focus on the SG&A savings. And together with that, we start up more and more the efficiency -- driving the efficiency in the new installation and in the MOD. But for -- going forward, we still have a significant incremental amount of potential sitting there, and we will work through that as we did over the last 2 years. Martin Flueckiger: Okay. And my second question is regarding the press reports with respect to TK Elevator being either up for sale or going for an IPO possibly. I was just wondering, thinking back, if I remember correctly, to 2020, I seem to remember press reports regarding Schindler's Board making statements about potentially suing KONE at the time if the deal had gone through, which, of course, it didn't. But I was just wondering if a major competitor were to take over TK Elevator, and I suppose Schindler is also interested. But just thinking if a major competitor were to get the bid, would Schindler's Board again consider legal actions? Paolo Compagna: Martin, let me take this one. Well, first of all, we don't intend to comment on competitors' decision about what they do in M&A. And in the same, as you know, we never disclose our M&As and what we do there. I must say what the reaction will be in the market, no one can predict. What will happen may be also difficult to predict. And with that, I must say, let's see what happens. With regard to ourselves, I mean, we always look at acquisitions which happens, and we look at our own opportunities in smaller and midsized and large acquisitions. So I would say there's no answer to your question in the form what will be a reaction. The market will show what happens. Operator: The next question comes from Walter Bamert from Zürcher Kantonalbank. Walter Bamert: Could you please comment which part of the 130 basis point margin improvement stems from the positive mix effect? Carla Geyseleer: Well, it is not the major part. So we will -- yes, we don't give the exact breakdown. But if you just -- I would say, yes, approximately, yes, up to 1/3, approximately is there [indiscernible] effect, yes. But we are very clear on that, and it's also part of our plans going forward if the mix effect changes. Walter Bamert: Perfect. And then nevertheless, coming back to the M&A question and that just generic, what's your assessment of the Asian market, which is still somewhat more fragmented? Do you think there is still room for globalization of those players? Or do you expect that the markets will remain fragmented somewhat? Paolo Compagna: Well, no one of us, Walter, has a glass sphere to look at for the future. If we would have then we would have to stop the call, go and make some decisions. But this being said, obviously, when you look into fragmented but interesting market, which you say -- if you say AP is it and it is, then one could assume things could happen in the next years to come. So this would be maybe my careful assumption. Then we talk about a still promising market, promising market for the future. And yes, as you rightly assess, there's a high fragmentation in that specific part of the world still. So therefore, one could assume there will be some movements, whatever type, difficult to say. When it happens, difficult to say. Could it happen? I would not exclude it, but it's a very personal assumption away from any detailed study. Operator: The next question comes from John Kim from Deutsche Bank. John-B Kim: I'm wondering if we could go back to the order backlog and the revenue delivery in Q3. If I remember correctly, there was going to be a bit of legacy overhang on Q3 and Q4 deliveries and negative mix from Chinese exposure. Did Q3 progress as planned? Or were there delays to that mix or margin dilutive delivery set, I suppose? Paolo Compagna: To Q3 specifically, the revenue development might have been partially impacted by some projects which see a bit of a delayed execution. And obviously, when it comes to installation and larger modernization jobs, right? If you got a job which then is not completed for whatever reason and often, you know how it goes on construction side, then you might even see it in the books. This has, for sure, an impact in Q3. So therefore, I was mentioning before, in going forward, this will be flattening out by itself as the jobs will be completed, will be then built and then it moves on. So your assumption is right, I think, in saying in Q3, there is a certain impact by larger projects not completed. Yes. John-B Kim: Okay. And just as a quick follow-up to a comment you made about modular. In terms of supply chain, OpEx and perhaps CapEx, do you have what you need to deliver your backlog and modernization? Or is further investment needed from here you think? Paolo Compagna: So for now, we shared in February, you remember when we were sharing our dedication now to move on the modernization business with some of you, we were even discussing in detail what is behind. And one part was the development, production and rollout of those standardized, we call it packages, we call it kits, right? And here, the investment in supply chain, supplier base have been done. So is there any major investment, not specifically, but I like also in all transparency to share that we continue to invest and develop on our supply chain as obviously with the modernization piece growing and the new installation piece being where it is, it's a kind of logical consequence that you keep developing, we call it upgrading internally, the supply chain. And we work now with the internal program in upgrading our supply chain. We don't talk much about, but this takes place. Does it come with major investments? No. Is it partially in the one or the other supply chain. We have different in different continents. There will be some adjustments, but no major investments. And yes, what we deliver now, we are ready to deliver, and this work has been done. It was part of our program in the last 12 months backwards. Operator: The next question comes from Kulwinder Rajpal from AlphaValue. Kulwinder Rajpal: So just wanted to come back on MOD orders in China. So if I heard Carla correctly, she said 50% growth in Q3 and 40% year-to-date. So would it be fair to assume that this business faces tough comps as we go into 2026? So any commentary on growth in the MOD market in China in 2026 will be helpful. And just tied to it, is the share of standardized MOD higher in China compared to other geographies? Paolo Compagna: Let me take your question. So China MOD '26, well, modernization business in China is growing nicely, as shared before, and we don't see any change in trend at all. As I mentioned before, there are even some governmental programs, which are supposed to give some support, and we will also participate there. Allow me also here a very personal note. We have seen in the past also massive supportive programs in new installation in China, which afterwards came with a limited real impact. So now the modernization ones are out, but we are still to see what is the impact. This said, I must say that beside of this stimulus, the modernization business in China is going well and is supposed to continue going well. On the second part of your question, which is the percentage of the packages in China, here, we must say we have to see the market. So if I would say percentage-wise, in that specific market, you could say yes. However, it's logical that in more mature markets in which for longer decades, more products were installed, one could assume that the number of kits, so standard solution kits is higher than in a country in which growth for MOD, you can say more of a homogenic market in terms of technology, right, in terms of installed base. So therefore, is it strategically different? No, in number of pieces of solutions, yes. I hope this answers your question. It's a bit technical, but unfortunately, in that case, it's a technical background. Kulwinder Rajpal: Yes, absolutely. And then just to come back on wage inflation. So I wanted to understand the assumptions for your wage inflation in 2025 and 2026. Paolo Compagna: So it was a bit of disturbed connection here. I think it was about wage inflation. Kulwinder Rajpal: Yes, wage inflation, the assumptions in 2025? And how should we think about it in 2026? Carla Geyseleer: Well, I will say that. So thank you for the question. Wage inflation in '26, I think it will be on a level that is comparable with '25. So that is how we currently see it. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Kulwinder. We'll take one last question, please. Operator: We now have a follow-up question from Rizk Maidi from Jefferies. Rizk Maidi: I'll be very brief. Just clarifying some of the points just on China new installations. Am I correct in thinking that the orders here are down 30%, where I think in the P&L, you talked about 20% decline. So perhaps a little bit more drag here going forward? And then more generally, we're now 4 years into this downturn, we thought pricing is not going to be as bad because local players, competitors, including yourself, are doing much lower margins in this downturn than in previous ones, but it feels like it's not getting any better. I'm just wondering who is actually taking on these badly priced sort of projects? And number two, how should we think about -- and also pricing pressure, how do you see it by geography? And how do you think -- how are you thinking about 2026 here? Paolo Compagna: Let me take this one, which is a complex follow-up question. So let me start with this decline in order intake, which I always have to remind might be different between units and value. Then in units, the market is down, as you assume, close to 30% and in value even above that. So for us. So therefore, your assumption is right. There's a bit of a mismatch between units and value, but in value, it has declined a lot. So part of your second question, who is taking on all these bad jobs? I cannot talk about who is taking bad big jobs. However, as we see it also in our numbers, the pricing in China was very tough in the last years, you are fully right. And by now, well, to be very optimistic about pricing in China is not us. So if you ask me how do we look going forward, we would hope to see a stabilization of the pricing. And if we get there, it's already an improvement then till now, pricing has shown to be very tough. So therefore, as soon as we get to stabilization of the pricing, one could say, well, from that point, we can start all to work on it. So -- and this is what we see for '26, right? So we don't expect any special magic. And Carla was referring to our plans for '26. And when we meet in February, you will look -- you know us, we are always very -- we try to be and are very down to earth in our plans. So on China, there's no euphoric assumption for what will happen in '26. I hope this answers your question. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Lars Brorson for any closing remarks. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, operator, and thank you all very much for attending the call today. Please feel free to reach out to me for any follow-ups you might have. The next scheduled event is the presentation of our full year results on the 11th of February 2026. You'll also find our reporting calendar for '26 at the back of our presentation today. With that, thank you all, and goodbye. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for choosing Chorus Call, and thank you for participating in the conference. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Schindler Conference Call and Live Webcast on Q3 Results 2025. I am Valentina, the Chorus Call operator. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Lars Brorson, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Valentina, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our Q3 2025 results conference call. My name is Lars Brorson. I'm Head of Investor Relations at Schindler. I am here together with Paolo Compagna, our CEO; and Carla De Geyseleer, our CFO. As usual, Paolo will discuss the highlights of our quarterly results and our market outlook, and Carla will take us through the financials. After the presentation, we're happy to take your questions. We plan to close the call at 11:00 in an hour's time. With that, I hand over to Paolo. Paolo, please go ahead. Paolo Compagna: Good morning, everyone. I am pleased to be back to report on our performance in Q3. And as Lars said, let me start by giving you some highlights on Slide #3. Firstly, let me say that we continue to face some growth headwinds in major new installation markets around the world, particularly in China. I will share our order trends in more detail shortly. But before, let me remind what we discussed back in February. A key pillar to our strategy of profitable growth is the pricing discipline. And we demonstrated it again this quarter on a few major projects where the economics were just not consistent with our return expectations. That said, we see good growth momentum in many parts of our organization and particularly in modernization. Here, orders were up over 16% in the quarter despite the strong growth we had in Q3 last year, allowing us to show another quarter of order growth for the group. Second, revenue slowed in the quarter, down 0.5%, whilst our year-to-date revenue is up 0.8%. Also here, the headwind from China intensified in the quarter. But our backlog is growing, up 1.5 percentage points year-on-year in local currency, driven by our modernization business, and we are confident that continuing to expand our capacities, we will execute successfully on this backlog. So I expect us to deliver our full year '25 revenue guidance of a low single-digit growth. Although this is likely to be a very low single digit, similar to what we delivered in '24, as Carla will discuss. Third, we delivered another strong operating margin in Q3 at 13%, up 130 basis points from Q3 last year. And we are now able to revise our full year '25 margin guidance, which we see coming in at around 12.5%. That compares to 12% previously. Carla will provide the detail on that, but I'm very pleased to see that the efficiency initiatives launched over the last couple of years are yielding their results. Now beyond our financial performance, let me touch on some of the other highlights of the quarter. First, we are making very good progress on the rollout of our new U.S. mid-rise product. This product was launched in '24, and we have now successfully delivered and handed over the first units. And our order intake so far in '25 is exceeding our plans. You will remember that this product launch was about leveraging our standardized modular platform and enhancing our mid-rise offering in the commercial and high-end residential segment, a key pillar to our strategy in the U.S. market. Now we are starting to see the results in terms of share gain in the U.S. mid-rise market, which is really encouraging. On to modernization, where we continue to industrialize our operations and standardize our product portfolio. We are seeing very good traction with our standardized packages, which now make up close to 17% of our modernization business. And that is not only driving growth, but also enhancing our competitiveness and supporting our journey towards higher profitability in modernization going forward. Then on the topic of sustainability, I'm very pleased to announce that we are installing the industry's first ever low carbon emission steel elevator. The steel used in this elevator reduces carbon emissions up to 75% compared to conventional production and marks an important step towards our 2040 net zero target. And finally, I'm also proud that we have been recognized by Forbes again this year as being among the world's best employer. In the engineering and manufacturing sector, Schindler was ranked third globally. We have close to 70,000 employees and attracting and retaining talent is absolutely essential to our competitiveness and overall health of the company. Well, so you can imagine this recognition is important for us. Moving to our market outlook for '25 on Slide 4. We expect the service markets to continue to expand across all regions, with the lowest growth rate in the Americas and the highest in Asia Pacific, driven by India. The modernization markets continue to offer a clear growth opportunity across the world with mid- to high single-digit growth outside of China and growth well into double digits in China, with around 100,000 aging elevators approved this year for an upgrade within the government's equipment renewal program. To put the scale of this initiative in the perspective, just imagine replacing all elevators in Australia in a single year. In installation, we continue to expect the global market to decline by high single digits, mainly due to a low teens contraction in China, where home starts by floor area continue to fall by close to 20% year-on-year in the January to September period, following a 3 years of 20-plus percent declines. Home sales have dropped 5% overall with only the 4 Tier 1 cities showing a slight increase with all other cities facing steep declines. Across the EMEA region, in addition to good growth in countries such as Spain, now also the important German market appears to have found a bottom and is expected to gradually recover going forward. The so-called Bau-Turbo initiative to fast-track housing project recently approved by the German government should be seen as a positive development overall as it aims to simplify planning, shorten approval times to 3 months and allowing flexibility in building rules to tackle the housing shortage in the coming quarters and years. Asia Pacific, excluding China, is projected to grow by mid-single digits, led by India and Southeast Asia with conditions improving in Australia and the U.S. new installation market has shown remarkable strength, further increasing from a tough Q3 '24 comparison point. In addition, we saw better data coming from Brazil in Q3 '25. And we have, therefore, decided to revise our Americas new installation market outlook to stable from slight down previously. So how did we perform in this market environment in the third quarter of the year. Turning now to Slide 5. Starting with service. Our portfolio units continue to expand, showing the strongest growth in Asia Pacific, excluding China. In Americas, we saw a slight decrease as a result of our increased selectivity when it comes to recaptures that we decide to pursue as well as from softer conversions. As a reminder, we saw a decline in our NI orders in '23, and this still has an impact given to the normally longer lead times, especially in North America. On modernization, we have maintained the strong momentum seen in the previous quarters and saw a double-digit growth across all regions, except for Asia Pacific, excluding China, with fewer large projects booked in this particular quarter, Year-to-date, our MOD growth in the region remains in double digits. Finally, on new installation, our global order volumes decreased by double digits due to China, where, as mentioned back in July, we are responding to the prolonged weakness in the NI market by resetting and repositioning our China business towards future growth opportunities. Outside of China, our NI orders grew mid-single digit, driven by an upswing in orders in our Europe, South and South America zone. And it is worth flagging the comparison from quarter 3 last year, which was the best quarter in '24 for NI, particularly due to our strong performance in the Americas. But the U.S. continues to develop well. And as mentioned, we are pleased with the customer reception of our new mid-rise product. With that, let me turn over to Carla to walk us through our financial results in more details. Carla Geyseleer: Thank you very much, Paolo. Good morning, everybody. Pleased to take you through our financials related to quarter 3. So let me start with Slide 7. And as a simple summary of the quarter, we continue to see headwinds to our top line, but we are executing very well on the bottom line. So starting with the headwinds at the top line. So they are particularly severe in China, and we remain committed to our strategy of pricing discipline, as Paolo just mentioned. Now it's also important to note that FX headwinds are definitely not declining. We had a hit of over CHF 100 million this quarter to both the order intake and the revenue. I will elaborate on the top line trends shortly. Now before doing so, let me point 3 highlights for this quarter. Firstly, we had another very strong quarter in terms of operating margins, up 130 basis points for both reported and adjusted EBIT margin. So we continue to make very good progress operationally, and that is obviously translating into a margin expansion, which is coming in slightly better than expected, which is also why we are revising our full year margin guidance. Secondly, our operating cash flow improved both sequentially and compared to last year. And now looking at the operating cash flow year-to-date, we are also up versus '24. So just shy of CHF 1 billion for the first 3 quarters and setting us up for another strong year for cash conversion. Finally, our net profit continues to increase versus last year in both absolute and margin terms, despite the decline in financial income as well as FX headwinds and higher restructuring costs. Now moving to Slide 8 and taking a look at our top line development. Let me first say that we don't see any material shift in order trends overall, even though growth in Q3 came in somewhat lower than in our first half. Now large projects are lumpy, and we had fewer of them this quarter compared to the prior 2 quarters. And if you look at the underlying trends by region and segments, there are 2 things that stand out. First, the continued steep decline in China; second, the strength in modernization. So on China, here, our new installation orders declined by over 30% in value in quarter 3, driving the group new installation orders down mid-single digits in the quarter and more than offsetting the growth we saw in new installation orders outside of China. So even as China becomes or became a smaller part of the overall group orders, it continues to materially impact our growth profile, notably in new installations. However, organic growth was still positive in the quarter due to the growth in service and modernization. So in modernization, order intake was up 16.4% in quarter 3 and this on a tough comparison versus quarter 3 last year when we grew at 20%. And growth was broad-based with strong double-digit growth in Europe and Americas, whilst China had a standout quarter, up well over 50%. Year-to-date, China is up close to 40%. Now this strong order growth in modernization also presents some operational challenges for us in terms of scaling up our delivery capabilities. So the execution of our MOD backlog was not as efficient in quarter 3 as it could have been. So we recognize that, which meant that revenue growth came in at mid-single digits in the quarter, albeit on a tough comparison from last year when MOD revenue grew over 12%. I should say that the slightly longer backlog rotation times are also a reflection of the project mix in the backlog. That said, we expect MOD revenue growth to accelerate in the coming quarters from the level that we have seen now in quarter 3. But it is still the new installation, which is actually burdening our revenue growth, down 10% in Q3, driven by the steep decline in China, which was down over 20%. And with MOD and Service, both growing mid-single digits, that left the total group revenue down 0.5 percentage point in the quarter, but up 0.8% year-to-date. Now as of the quarter end, our backlog was up 1.5% in local currencies, driven by MOD, driven by Service, which had backlogs up mid-teens and mid-single digit, respectively. So our backlog in new installations declined by low single digit. Now in terms of backlog margin, this quarter was slightly down sequentially, but still clearly up year-on-year. And the weaker sequential development was entirely due to the tariffs being reflected in our U.S. backlog. So as our backlog gets repriced over time, you will see the offset to backlog margins. And importantly, excluding the tariff impact, backlog margins continue to improve also sequentially. Now moving on to Slide 9 and looking at our EBIT performance. As I shared already, it's a really strong development now to 13% reported margin in quarter 3 and 13.9% on an adjusted basis. Now the operational improvement of CHF 35 million this quarter primarily reflects the good progress in SG&A savings, but also next to that, the procurement savings continue to deliver. Price and mix were contributors, but less so than the efficiency savings this quarter. Our reported EBIT was burdened by CHF 25 million of adjustments in quarter 3, of which CHF 21 million of restructuring costs, translating to minus CHF 2 million in our Q3 EBIT bridge compared to last year and minus CHF 13 million in our year-to-date bridge compared to last year. Now taking a look at the net profit on Slide 10. Net profit grew to CHF 265 million in quarter 3 reflecting a 9.9% margin and to CHF 796 million year-to-date with a margin of 9.8% despite lower interest income, despite higher restructuring costs and despite onetime financial gains in last year. So we are very pleased with this result. Moving to the operating cash flow on the next slide. So our operating cash flow grew in the quarter as well as on a year-to-date basis. So operating cash flow reached now CHF 967 million for the first 3 quarters of the year, and that sets us on the path to deliver another strong performance in '25, even if we might not hit the exceptional level of last year. The improvement of the operational cash flow is coming from our operating earnings, supported by higher noncash impacts, offsetting a minor headwind of net working capital after the strong improvement in '24 and the missing positive net cash flow from financing income. So that brings me to the guidance for the remainder of the year. And as Paolo mentioned already, we are now specifying our full year EBIT reported margin guidance at 12.5%. So this compares to the previous 12%. And as Paolo and I have discussed, this revision comes primarily on the back of the efficiency initiatives that we have been executing and which are yielding savings slightly ahead of our expectations. We also now have an increased visibility on the impact of the tariffs this year, while the measures also taken to restructure our Chinese operations are partly offsetting the end market headwinds that we are facing here. Finally, the mix headwinds associated with growth in modernization in H2 are somewhat less than we expected in July at the time of our H1 results. And on mix, it is also important to recognize that we are benefiting from the continued outgrowth in our service business. And this revision to our full year '25 guidance also implies that we expect to see continued strong margin improvement year-on-year in the final quarter of the year. Now a small word on tariffs, which I think we have managed well so far in '25. So the U.S. tariff cost now reflected in our backlog. So I just mentioned, we will continue to work on this hard in the coming period to mitigate the impact, including making price adjustments to offset the impact. Now it's fair to say that the U.S. tariff environment remains very dynamic. So let me give 3 additional comments as we see the impact today. First of all, you will recall that with our H1 results in July, we provided you with an estimated annual gross tariff impact of approximately CHF 30 million. What happened since then? Since then, we have had the changes to the reciprocal tariffs, which has taken U.S. tariff levels on Switzerland to 39%. That takes our estimated impact to CHF 35 million from the initially CHF 30 million. So we also had the expansion of the Section 232 tariff list in mid-August, but that had no material impact on our estimate. Finally, we had the recent escalations by the U.S., including a possible 100% tariff on Chinese imports starting 1st of November. If this were to be implemented, that would take the annual gross tariff impact to CHF 72 million. Now we will come back in February with our full year '25 results and update you then on the '26 impact. But I expect us to make good progress on continuing to offset the tariff impact with our mitigating actions. Now with regards to the '25 revenue outlook, I confirm that we expect to deliver on our full year '25 revenue guidance of low single-digit growth, albeit this is likely to be very low single digit, so similar to '24. So in conclusion, let me take the opportunity to thank all our colleagues around the world for their efforts so far in '25, not at least our colleagues in the field who are operating in some exceptionally challenging circumstances in many places around the world. And it's a clear testimony of their contribution to our strong results in the third quarter of this year. And so with that, I hand back to Lars. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Carla. With that, Paolo and Carla are now happy to take your questions. Can I ask you please to limit yourself to 2 questions only, given the limited time we have available. With that, operator, please. Operator: [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Daniela Costa: I will have 2, but I'll ask them one at a time. The first one is regarding sort of your organic order growth rate today, quite a bit lower, I guess, than one of your peers yesterday. I understand from what you said sort of a much bigger drop in China from you. Can you talk to what extent that is just the regional or the product mix? Or it was more an intended effort to try to control your backlog margin or something else? I'll start there. Paolo Compagna: Daniela, Paolo here. Very clear, China order intake in the quarter is driven by 2 factors. One is obviously our clear dedication in pricing discipline that we watch out what we take into the books as part of our China program we discussed with you back in February. And the second one is also a quarter in which we still see a decline in the market, and we just follow here the trend. So this has impacted our Q3 numbers for the China order intake. Daniela Costa: And then just in terms of sort of the Americas service trend, which seems sort of weak and down. Can you elaborate a little bit? From one side, you're upgrading on the original equipment, but the delivery on the service side seems a little bit on the weak side. What's going on, on the service? Paolo Compagna: Yes. So let me elaborate on the topics. And our upgrade is on new installation going forward, we were not conservative. We were back in July looking at the market trends, and we saw some signs of cooling down in North and South America, which now for the reasons discussed, we say, well, market might stay stable, especially as in North America, we don't see yet a significant negative trend, which would require this adjustment downwards on new installation. But your question was about service, and let me elaborate on this one. Here, there is a mix of 2 factors and also a bit different between North and South America. What we see in Q3 in this quarter is a combination of 2 things. Number one, in the recaptures, we call it recoveries, these are the new service contracts we take on board. We moved to a more diligent way of assessing their economics. This led now in a comparison quarter-on-quarter, quarter to the quarter to a slightly negative trend. And the second one is that you might remember in '23, we were facing a couple of quarters with a slower NI new installation order intake. What we see now is the combination of the slower conversions, which means the contracts, right, which come into service after new installation is finished. And due to the lead time of the NI order backlog from '23, and it's the combination of these 2 factors leads to this mathematical slow Q3 in Service Americas. Operator: The next question comes from Andre Kukhnin from UBS. Andre Kukhnin: I've got 2 and one of them actually dovetails nicely with what Daniela asked about just now. So I'll start with that. I wanted to also ask about the dynamics between modernization and service growth in North America, but also in Europe, where you're seeing such a substantial divergence. And I presume at some point, this strong growth in modernization in all those projects that you execute on in MOD will help converting into service. Is that the case? And could you give us some idea on the kind of lead time on that? And maybe -- sorry to pile them on, but while we're on service, could you give us an idea of what the unit growth was for you globally in the quarter? Paolo Compagna: Thank you, Andre. Let me elaborate on both. Number one was about modernization, how it works into service. So here, obviously, yes, modernization captures as long as they are outside of our portfolio would obviously lead to portfolio gains. So here, the answer is yes, there will be a certain positive contribution to the portfolio, and that's clear one of our targets. This being said, the second part of the first question was about lead times. Here, I must say, a bit different geography by geography, but actually, overall trend is that the lead times on modernization are also going up. So it means the time to convert this modernization, I repeat outside of portfolio. So it's not that entire modernization would add portfolio, but the portion which adds portfolio might start to contribute between end of '26 and going forward. So there is a positive momentum. Yes, there is a time in between, yes, and we expect to contribute from Q4 next year going forward. The second question was about the growth in the portfolio, which we can share on a good low single-digit number. Andre Kukhnin: Great. And I appreciate it more than one question already. So I'll just ask a short one. On the tariffs and the backlog repricing, could you confirm that this is just purely mechanical that's kind of triggering the escalation clauses are already in contracts and it's just a matter of working through that? Or are there new renegotiations to be had with customers? Paolo Compagna: Yes, Andre. We have done, as we shared in July back a little program on it, which is showing good effect. But Carla, you might elaborate on that. Carla Geyseleer: Yes, yes. No, you're absolutely right. Andre, thanks for the question. Yes, I confirm it's rather a mechanical exercise that you need to work through. So because, of course, there is a pricing towards the customer, and there is also a piece in our supplier management side. Operator: The next question comes from Vivek Midha from Citi. Vivek Midha: I have 2 questions. My first is a follow-up around your comment around the margin drag from modernization growth not being as large as you thought. Is that because of that slower conversion of modernization growth that you highlighted, which potentially might then have more of an impact in 2026? Or is it also because of the improved modernization profitability as you've grown? Paolo Compagna: Well, it's a bit of a combination between margin and the rollout of the backlog, and I will leave Carla to come through the details. But actually, the margin within modernization are not deteriorating. The opposite is the case. So your observation, we are improving on modernization margins is right. And is this one of the reasons for having a slower conversion into operating revenue. It's not the case. But Carla, please, would you like to elaborate on this? Carla Geyseleer: Yes, I want to be clear. I mean -- so we have the strong growth in the order intake and a slower realization of the projects itself, but we don't have pressure on the MOD margin. So just to be very clear there. Vivek Midha: Totally understood. My next question is just looking at the headcount, the number of employees. It looks like it's gone down by over 1,000 relative to the second quarter. Is that the effect of your efforts to reposition in China? Or is there something else driving that reduction in the headcount? Paolo Compagna: That's a very good observation. Yes, we announced back in July that we are repositioning our -- especially new installation business in China. And what you see in the overall numbers is mostly that. That's true. Carla Geyseleer: Yes. But this comes on the combination. If you look at the year-on-year versus December, it comes on top of the initiative that we took to reduce our cost levels in the -- mainly in the back office in the indirect part of the headcount, and that is actually what you see coming through. So we are just executing on this. So it's a combination of the 2. Operator: The next question comes from James Moore from Rothschild & Co Redburn. James Moore: Could I ask one on service? I mean if we're talking about a sort of 5% constant currency growth for service, would it be possible to split that between maintenance and repair? Are they at a similar pace? And tied to that, if they're at a similar pace and we're at 5% maintenance growth, is that to say with your good low single-digit comment? 2.5% unit growth and 2.5% price. And I ask because I'd like to unpack that to another level, if I could. And behind the price piece, would it be possible to say how much of that is kind of a wage escalator pass-through versus any other form of premium over and above that, whether digital or other initiatives? And behind the unit growth, is that basically just the past orders coming through? Or have you got any conversion topics like is conversion getting better or worse? Or have you got any win-loss retention topics? And how do you think about maintenance growth going forward for the next couple of years? Paolo Compagna: Good question with some components into it. Let me combine them. So on the first part of your question, service, repair without going to the details of both as we never do. But it's obviously that both are growing together. So as repair, you can only execute on the portfolio you have and with the customers we are happy to serve. So there is obviously a certain correlation between the repair business expansion and the portfolio growth itself. So this is very fair to be assumed. Second part of the first question, are there components of digitalization, monetization of the digital business? Surely, yes. As we announced also previously, we continue our efforts in digitalizing for our customers our services. So we don't only digitalize for ourselves for the beauty of technology. We also have an increased and steadily increasing offering on digital services for our customers, which obviously, yes, starts to get some traction and contribute to this overall picture. So that's absolutely right. And your second question, how we expect this whole service/repair/digitalization business to move. Here, we expect, as mentioned before, that we see at least a steady continuation of this growth in which we absolutely intend to participate. James Moore: And can I just follow up on the NI margin, new equipment? My sense was you were doing better than others in China, and you had some topics in the West, which you're addressing with your standardization program. And we've seen some procurement savings, and I'm sure next year is more about efficiency savings and we're doing amazing things there. But are you seeing a scenario in which is the NI margin down year-on-year? And is it that the Chinese revenue decline is more than offsetting some of the organic actions on the other side or vice versa? Paolo Compagna: Your first assumption, I don't like to comment, as I don't have it. But in terms of margins in new installation, let me share in all clarity that our efforts in improving efficiency in the field, and we have talked about now the last couple of years and intensified last year and this year as now we see -- we start to see really traction in the field, this improvement of margins in new installation in the execution we see everywhere. So now to distinguish between China specific and rest of the world, I would say the improvement in the execution, I would say, is everywhere the same. And to assume that the picture has reverted between rest of the world and China, well, I would say China is more under pressure in terms of margins than the rest of the world. Operator: The next question comes from Rizk Maidi from Jefferies. Rizk Maidi: Just maybe start with a clarification on the full year guidance when it comes to revenues. I think now you're talking about very low single digit, which also means very low single digit for the Q4. How should we think about this? Is still these bottlenecks when it comes to modernization is still going to be there? And how should we also think about the service growth in Americas? You talked about recapture weak NI back in 2023. Does that still means that it's going to be a drag again in Q4 and potentially even 2026? Paolo Compagna: Let me start maybe with the second part on the service in the Americas. Obviously, right to observe that we are now on a level which we also compare to previous year growth rates, right? So is it expected to stay at that level? Maybe we will see not now in the next quarter, but we expect in the quarters to come to see growth again also -- more growth again also in service in Americas. When we get our backlog executed and as I was sharing before, we see certain delays in delivering on the project, which then it's a question of time, we will come back on that. So therefore, if you ask specific on Q4, we expect to be on that level. But going forward, we would also expect to see growth rates again also in Americas. Talking now the order -- revenue for the full year, we expect Q4 to be in line with our plans. So hence, if we see the year-to-date numbers in the Q3, we like to be super transparent in what would be the full year expectation. So we don't worsen it, but we also don't see room to get euphoric on additional revenues. To your observation, is it a timing issue? Is it projects and kind of delays? Yes. So why we still are quite confident for the future to come is that the backlog is promising. We are building up resources to execute on modernization. So your observation is absolutely spot on with the time, and we will see also this OR then picking up. Carla, anything you'd like to add? Carla Geyseleer: No, I think I confirm perfectly. I think we are complete. Rizk Maidi: And then the second one is really just to understand your cost efficiency. We're now getting towards year-end. Maybe if you could just please correct me if I'm missing anything. But my understanding is you're running with different programs. One of them is procurement. The other one is SG&A. There's an FTE sort of reduction or repositioning of your China business. Maybe can we talk about what has been achieved year-to-date? And what should -- how should we think about these -- each component heading into 2026? Carla Geyseleer: Yes. Thank you very much for the question. I will take it. So first of all, the plan has not changed. So we are still working on the same 4 building blocks that we have always been super transparent on. So first of all, starting with the procurement and the supply chain savings, that is the more mature one, and this is now the second year that it continues to fully deliver, and that is also the one with the biggest impact. Now what clearly scaled up during the first 3 quarters, that is the second initiative, the reduction of the SG&A cost. And of course, driving efficiency in the back office, that's what you see also coming through in the headcount reduction. So we started with that in quarter 4 last year, and that is now really delivering. And that will also, yes, I would say, continue to deliver, obviously, not with the same incremental savings, but we have not completely come to an end of that initiative. What is rather new, I would say, in the quarter 3, that is we have also been focusing on driving efficiency in the NI and the MOD business. And that is the third initiative where we see now in quarter 3, the first benefits coming through. So that is, in a nutshell, what you -- what is also flowing through to the bottom line. Now immediately making the step a bit to the period to come. So we definitely still have potential for these building blocks. And there will still be significant amounts coming through. However, the composition will change because, as I said, the procurement savings become more mature. So their relative weight will decline. And of course, also going forward with the SG&A. But then if we execute according to plan, the incremental savings coming from the efficiency in the NI and the MOD will further increase. And also on top of that, efficiency in our service business. So that is, in a nutshell, what is happening and what will -- or what is expected to happen going forward. What is also interesting to see is that we came now to a situation where the efficiencies are actually really offsetting the inflationary effects and becoming even more important than some of the pricing elements in some of the areas. And that was the whole initial target, why we have set up these 4 building plans. And that's why you see the nice uptick in the margins and in the profit. Does that answer your question? Rizk Maidi: Yes. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Rizk. The next question, please, operator? Operator: The next question comes from Vlad Sergievskii from Barclays. Vladimir Sergievskiy: I'll ask 2 and start with modernization. You disclosed standardized MOD solution was 17% of total modernization orders now. Do you think there is a natural limit of how big standard solutions could be in the future compared to the total MOD market? And are those standardized solutions opening new market niches for you in any way? Are they addressing customers that would have perhaps otherwise not ordered at all or ordered it a bit late? Paolo Compagna: Yes. Vlad, to the first part, is there a limitation in the creation of standard solutions? Well, there will be a logical limitation one day as if you recognize that the installed base is a kind of 160 years of elevator technologies built many, many times in many countries by very local companies. So you've got 10,000s of different elevators to be modernized. So let's talk that. With that, you can imagine you cannot have a standard solution for 10,000s of different elevators around the globe. So you're going to fix it by group of similar technologies you can address. So to the first part of your question, is there a limitation? Yes. Are we already there? No. To the second part, -- does it open new opportunities? I personally believe, yes. Then when you get to a standard solution, which could offer to a customer to improve safety, quality and also maybe user experience by having affordable costs, I think there might be a group of customers who today can only go for a full replacement of the elevator, which comes with certain cost and also civil works around it. Now having this opportunity. So to the second question, I personally believe there might be a segment, is it incredibly big? I think it depends from country to country, coming back to my first part of the answer. Then in some countries, we have a bigger number of local products, as we call them, and we have some countries with less number of local products. So in those countries, this opportunity might be bigger. Vladimir Sergievskiy: Excellent. That's very clear. Second one is on the sales mix. Sales mix has been a tailwind to profitability for quite some years. Is there a chance that this tailwind eases or completely stops in '26 when MOD growth accelerates when perhaps new equipment decline slows and maybe grows outside of China and service keep growing as it does. Carla Geyseleer: Well, for sure, I mean, this mix will change. Will it go as fast as you point out? I don't think so. But we definitely -- yes, we definitely have that in our -- calculated that in our plans. So yes. Operator: The next question comes from Martin Flueckiger from Kepler Cheuvreux. Martin Flueckiger: I've got 2, and I'll take one at a time. First one is for Carla. Just coming back to your general comments regarding incremental cost savings from restructuring and operational efficiency going forward. I was wondering whether you'd quantify those for '25 and '26 to -- basically to understand whether there's been any changes? That's my first question. I'll come back to the second one. Carla Geyseleer: Well, as I said, there are no changes in the components that are driving this cost savings, but the relative weight of the components, that, of course, changes because, as I said, if you talk about procurement and supply chain, it's a very mature initiative. So your incremental obviously decreases. This year, we put a lot of focus on the SG&A savings. And together with that, we start up more and more the efficiency -- driving the efficiency in the new installation and in the MOD. But for -- going forward, we still have a significant incremental amount of potential sitting there, and we will work through that as we did over the last 2 years. Martin Flueckiger: Okay. And my second question is regarding the press reports with respect to TK Elevator being either up for sale or going for an IPO possibly. I was just wondering, thinking back, if I remember correctly, to 2020, I seem to remember press reports regarding Schindler's Board making statements about potentially suing KONE at the time if the deal had gone through, which, of course, it didn't. But I was just wondering if a major competitor were to take over TK Elevator, and I suppose Schindler is also interested. But just thinking if a major competitor were to get the bid, would Schindler's Board again consider legal actions? Paolo Compagna: Martin, let me take this one. Well, first of all, we don't intend to comment on competitors' decision about what they do in M&A. And in the same, as you know, we never disclose our M&As and what we do there. I must say what the reaction will be in the market, no one can predict. What will happen may be also difficult to predict. And with that, I must say, let's see what happens. With regard to ourselves, I mean, we always look at acquisitions which happens, and we look at our own opportunities in smaller and midsized and large acquisitions. So I would say there's no answer to your question in the form what will be a reaction. The market will show what happens. Operator: The next question comes from Walter Bamert from Zürcher Kantonalbank. Walter Bamert: Could you please comment which part of the 130 basis point margin improvement stems from the positive mix effect? Carla Geyseleer: Well, it is not the major part. So we will -- yes, we don't give the exact breakdown. But if you just -- I would say, yes, approximately, yes, up to 1/3, approximately is there [indiscernible] effect, yes. But we are very clear on that, and it's also part of our plans going forward if the mix effect changes. Walter Bamert: Perfect. And then nevertheless, coming back to the M&A question and that just generic, what's your assessment of the Asian market, which is still somewhat more fragmented? Do you think there is still room for globalization of those players? Or do you expect that the markets will remain fragmented somewhat? Paolo Compagna: Well, no one of us, Walter, has a glass sphere to look at for the future. If we would have then we would have to stop the call, go and make some decisions. But this being said, obviously, when you look into fragmented but interesting market, which you say -- if you say AP is it and it is, then one could assume things could happen in the next years to come. So this would be maybe my careful assumption. Then we talk about a still promising market, promising market for the future. And yes, as you rightly assess, there's a high fragmentation in that specific part of the world still. So therefore, one could assume there will be some movements, whatever type, difficult to say. When it happens, difficult to say. Could it happen? I would not exclude it, but it's a very personal assumption away from any detailed study. Operator: The next question comes from John Kim from Deutsche Bank. John-B Kim: I'm wondering if we could go back to the order backlog and the revenue delivery in Q3. If I remember correctly, there was going to be a bit of legacy overhang on Q3 and Q4 deliveries and negative mix from Chinese exposure. Did Q3 progress as planned? Or were there delays to that mix or margin dilutive delivery set, I suppose? Paolo Compagna: To Q3 specifically, the revenue development might have been partially impacted by some projects which see a bit of a delayed execution. And obviously, when it comes to installation and larger modernization jobs, right? If you got a job which then is not completed for whatever reason and often, you know how it goes on construction side, then you might even see it in the books. This has, for sure, an impact in Q3. So therefore, I was mentioning before, in going forward, this will be flattening out by itself as the jobs will be completed, will be then built and then it moves on. So your assumption is right, I think, in saying in Q3, there is a certain impact by larger projects not completed. Yes. John-B Kim: Okay. And just as a quick follow-up to a comment you made about modular. In terms of supply chain, OpEx and perhaps CapEx, do you have what you need to deliver your backlog and modernization? Or is further investment needed from here you think? Paolo Compagna: So for now, we shared in February, you remember when we were sharing our dedication now to move on the modernization business with some of you, we were even discussing in detail what is behind. And one part was the development, production and rollout of those standardized, we call it packages, we call it kits, right? And here, the investment in supply chain, supplier base have been done. So is there any major investment, not specifically, but I like also in all transparency to share that we continue to invest and develop on our supply chain as obviously with the modernization piece growing and the new installation piece being where it is, it's a kind of logical consequence that you keep developing, we call it upgrading internally, the supply chain. And we work now with the internal program in upgrading our supply chain. We don't talk much about, but this takes place. Does it come with major investments? No. Is it partially in the one or the other supply chain. We have different in different continents. There will be some adjustments, but no major investments. And yes, what we deliver now, we are ready to deliver, and this work has been done. It was part of our program in the last 12 months backwards. Operator: The next question comes from Kulwinder Rajpal from AlphaValue. Kulwinder Rajpal: So just wanted to come back on MOD orders in China. So if I heard Carla correctly, she said 50% growth in Q3 and 40% year-to-date. So would it be fair to assume that this business faces tough comps as we go into 2026? So any commentary on growth in the MOD market in China in 2026 will be helpful. And just tied to it, is the share of standardized MOD higher in China compared to other geographies? Paolo Compagna: Let me take your question. So China MOD '26, well, modernization business in China is growing nicely, as shared before, and we don't see any change in trend at all. As I mentioned before, there are even some governmental programs, which are supposed to give some support, and we will also participate there. Allow me also here a very personal note. We have seen in the past also massive supportive programs in new installation in China, which afterwards came with a limited real impact. So now the modernization ones are out, but we are still to see what is the impact. This said, I must say that beside of this stimulus, the modernization business in China is going well and is supposed to continue going well. On the second part of your question, which is the percentage of the packages in China, here, we must say we have to see the market. So if I would say percentage-wise, in that specific market, you could say yes. However, it's logical that in more mature markets in which for longer decades, more products were installed, one could assume that the number of kits, so standard solution kits is higher than in a country in which growth for MOD, you can say more of a homogenic market in terms of technology, right, in terms of installed base. So therefore, is it strategically different? No, in number of pieces of solutions, yes. I hope this answers your question. It's a bit technical, but unfortunately, in that case, it's a technical background. Kulwinder Rajpal: Yes, absolutely. And then just to come back on wage inflation. So I wanted to understand the assumptions for your wage inflation in 2025 and 2026. Paolo Compagna: So it was a bit of disturbed connection here. I think it was about wage inflation. Kulwinder Rajpal: Yes, wage inflation, the assumptions in 2025? And how should we think about it in 2026? Carla Geyseleer: Well, I will say that. So thank you for the question. Wage inflation in '26, I think it will be on a level that is comparable with '25. So that is how we currently see it. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, Kulwinder. We'll take one last question, please. Operator: We now have a follow-up question from Rizk Maidi from Jefferies. Rizk Maidi: I'll be very brief. Just clarifying some of the points just on China new installations. Am I correct in thinking that the orders here are down 30%, where I think in the P&L, you talked about 20% decline. So perhaps a little bit more drag here going forward? And then more generally, we're now 4 years into this downturn, we thought pricing is not going to be as bad because local players, competitors, including yourself, are doing much lower margins in this downturn than in previous ones, but it feels like it's not getting any better. I'm just wondering who is actually taking on these badly priced sort of projects? And number two, how should we think about -- and also pricing pressure, how do you see it by geography? And how do you think -- how are you thinking about 2026 here? Paolo Compagna: Let me take this one, which is a complex follow-up question. So let me start with this decline in order intake, which I always have to remind might be different between units and value. Then in units, the market is down, as you assume, close to 30% and in value even above that. So for us. So therefore, your assumption is right. There's a bit of a mismatch between units and value, but in value, it has declined a lot. So part of your second question, who is taking on all these bad jobs? I cannot talk about who is taking bad big jobs. However, as we see it also in our numbers, the pricing in China was very tough in the last years, you are fully right. And by now, well, to be very optimistic about pricing in China is not us. So if you ask me how do we look going forward, we would hope to see a stabilization of the pricing. And if we get there, it's already an improvement then till now, pricing has shown to be very tough. So therefore, as soon as we get to stabilization of the pricing, one could say, well, from that point, we can start all to work on it. So -- and this is what we see for '26, right? So we don't expect any special magic. And Carla was referring to our plans for '26. And when we meet in February, you will look -- you know us, we are always very -- we try to be and are very down to earth in our plans. So on China, there's no euphoric assumption for what will happen in '26. I hope this answers your question. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Lars Brorson for any closing remarks. Lars Wauvert Brorson: Thank you, operator, and thank you all very much for attending the call today. Please feel free to reach out to me for any follow-ups you might have. The next scheduled event is the presentation of our full year results on the 11th of February 2026. You'll also find our reporting calendar for '26 at the back of our presentation today. With that, thank you all, and goodbye. Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now over. Thank you for choosing Chorus Call, and thank you for participating in the conference. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.
Krister Magnusson: Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the Nilörn Q3 interim report presentation. I know that today there's lot of presentations, a lot of companies. So I really appreciate that you take your time to join our presentation here. Myself, I am in Portugal at our factory here. As you probably know, we're doing quite the big adjustments in the factory, uplift in the factory, so here to follow that. So it's an interesting project going on. So I think that will be really good for Nilörn in the future. But I'm sitting here on a small laptop and I think it will work out well. So I will start sharing my screen and put that on presentation mode here. Yes. Now we start. The Q3, we are quite pleased with the Q3. The order intake here was negative 13%. But if we take into consideration that we had a big packaging order in Q3 last year on SEK 18 million, and that will come now in Q4 instead, that is around 7% of the explanation. We also have another currency effect explaining another 6%. So adjusted for the currency effect and this packaging order, it's quite flat. In general, it's a difference between the segments. Luxury segment is still quite weak, though the Outdoor and the other segments are quite strong. So still weakness in the luxury segment, no big improvement there. Sales up 10%, and adjusted for the currency effect, it's actually up 18%. I think it's partly -- we had a quite weak Q2, so it is spillover from the Q2. Looking at the different months, so it was quite strong both in July, August and September. So we're quite even throughout the quarter. And here, we see also in the Outdoor segment and the other segments, but still a bit weaker in the luxury segment. Operating profit, SEK 26.3 million versus SEK 15 million last year, and that gives an operating margin of 11.4% in the quarter. And as you probably know, the goal has been or should be between 10% to 12%. That is the goal we have set. So we in quarter, we target that. Looking at the P&L here. Also, we have a quite strong currency impact on the whole P&L and not only the top line. As you know, most of our business is handling outside Sweden. In Sweden it's mainly sales companies, but we don't do any invoicing from Sweden at all. And then we have the headquarter costs. So we have some costs in Swedish krona, but the majority and all the invoicing is outside Sweden. Yes. And what I want to say more here is also looking at the tax rate, tax rate for the quarter is 24.6%, and that is in line also with the accumulated number. We'll see what happens with the tax rate in the fourth quarter. It's always adjustments and everyone is doing proper calculation, really the calculation of the tax. But we think it will be in line with this 24.6% also for the full year. Personnel cost has quite been stabilized now on this level, I would say, also currency impact on this level and other external costs, but coming back to that a little bit later. Split by product group, not so big difference compared to last year. It's mainly in packaging. That has gone down and it's contradictory to what we do now. We're putting quite a lot of effort into the packaging. And the reason why packaging was down here is due to the luxury segment as we still have quite big packaging delivery to the luxury segment. But they are overstocked so it will take some time. So I think it will take like in mid-2026 until we are back into normal deliveries for the luxury segment in packaging. Looking at the quarterly income statement and the gross margin. Normally, the Q3 has a quite strong gross margin and also this quarter, as you can see here, if you're looking at the historical level. The reason for that is we have less packaging, packaging has a lower gross margin, and less packaging in Q3 normally and also this quarter. Operating cost is also lower normally in Q3 and also this quarter, and that is due to the holiday. Most countries take holiday in July, especially in Europe. So that's why that has a big impact on the quarter 3. Operating profit. As you see, it was a strong operating profit this quarter. And as I explained, it was not only one single month. I think it was strong all the July, August and September. And of course, you who have learned Nilörn now, it's very much volume driven. Once we get good volumes in a quarter or in a year, we also get a good profit. It goes a long way down. So we're very much depending on getting volumes. And then if you look at the similar but in a graph. And also that is to say that in the past, it was always Q2 and Q4 that was sticking out as the best quarter. Nowadays, we see it's very much flat. So it's the change of purchasing pattern from our customers. So they even out much more, buying much more into season and much more shorter lead times. And that makes our pattern different than it used to be. And here, it's also following the profitability, just in a graph. And you can see here now Q3, that was quite strong. Balance sheet. We have a strong balance sheet, an equity level of almost SEK 350 million. And that is good because we're now taking more and more time to search and see for acquisitions and so on. I will come back on that. And also we're doing at the moment both a big investment in Bangladesh and also in Portugal. Also coming back to that later in the presentation. Just want to raise here. As we are an international company, relatively our size, we are in 19 countries and with only the headquarters in Sweden, and therefore, we have a big part of our equity abroad. And that also had a big -- currency has a big impact when we translate the equity in the different countries into the Swedish krona. And this now in 2025, that's had a negative impact on the equity of SEK 32 million. And of course, in the past, we also have had positive impacts. But now due to the relatively strong Swedish krona, that has an impact. Financial indicators, I will not go through them so much. But I just want to mention here, we are almost 700 employees. And as you can see here over these years, we have increased that quite much. That is mainly in the production companies, mainly in Bangladesh, I would say. But also we have invested in other specialist areas, where we employ people to be in forefront with the competitors. And we also invested in countries like U.S. Also coming back to that later on. In U.S., now we have 4 people. This one, this is to explain the movement we have done between year 2020 and today. We, by heritage, has been really strong in design and we continue to be work on that. So design is a strong unique selling competence for Nilörn. We have in packaging started and done much more here effort. We have a really good collection. We have a Category Manager working with that. And so we're really taking a big step forward in packaging. Packaging, as I mentioned, we're also delivering into the luxury segment. But we're also packaging for sports and for Outdoor segment. We're talking here about underwear packaging, sock rider and so on. So it's not packaging for corrugated, standard brown packaging. It's more for the garments and for luxury segment. Financial strengths. We have had a strong balance sheet for many years, but we even now has even stronger. Sustainability, CSR and compliance is an area where we have put a lot of effort and employed people all around the world to build up that, which gives us also -- in the past, we were talking about design. But I would say now sustainability is another core competence that is unique -- I would not say unique, but a selling point for Nilörn, what we push for and where the clients appreciate our offer. Digital solutions and Nilörn:CONNECT, this one is something we didn't have. We had digital solutions like RFID in the past and so on, but now we're taking even more steps into this. I will explain, coming back to Nilörn:CONNECT, what that is all about a little bit later. Global deliveries. What I mean by that is that we're setting up distribution companies in new countries like in Vietnam end of last year and also now in Sri Lanka, but also we are setting up a company in U.S. So we're getting more and more international. Yes. Big currency impact both on the top line and in the balance sheet. And I used to say that we are quite well hedged. We match the cost with the income. So we take a country like Hong Kong, we have big income there. And then we have all the costs matching that. And then in the end, we have a net profit. So in different countries, we are matching quite well. But in the end, we have a profit that will be converted back to Swedish krona. And in my example then, the Hong Kong dollar will have an impact, as you saw earlier on the equity. As I mentioned, still volatility in the luxury market. And we see now less uncertainty due to the tariffs. We'd learned to live and also, I would say, it doesn't affect us directly. It's more indirect effect. It's our client that export to U.S. that has been affected. And I think the uncertainty is most -- I mean, as long as you have the uncertainty, you don't dare to move. But now the uncertainty moves away so it's more movement in the market. Operating profit, we mentioned already. Portugal factory where I am at the moment. We have been here in Portugal like in 40 years. So the factory needs an uplift. We looked at moving the whole factory but we decided to stay. We think there is less risk in that. And we moved out to warehouse to get more space in the factory. And at the moment, we are changing the complete layout inside the factory and to get a much more flow into the factory and also implementing LEAN. So that is good. I think Nilörn Portugal had tough times 10, 15 years ago, but that is now one also a competitive edge for Nilörn, to have a good factory in Europe. Building for the future, that was where we now employed or built up these specialists we have within the group, where we have compliances, our packaging materials. And that is supporting sales. So I would say being a salesperson in Nilörn today versus 5, 10 years ago is a totally different story. In the past, we were out selling labels. Now it's all about selling a concept. And the client is much more demanding now as it has been in the past. Yes, here is the specialist here in different in areas. And then we increased in production capacity. Here, we also have Bangladesh. We are currently -- I mean, we've got the land now and we're doing soil test and we are working on that. But it will take some time. And we said earlier that it probably most likely will be ready by end of 2026. Now we say it will be ready in first half year 2027. We've done geographical expansion, as I mentioned. We see a consolidation in the market. We've seen [ TIMCO ], we've seen SML. We see Avery and all the companies are taking part of that. And we also see companies now that are for sale and actively selling, looking at the label market as such. There are a few big players. It's a mid-segment and there's quite a long tail of small niche players that is working in one market or with a few products. And for Nilörn, we come to the stage now that we're putting much more effort into this, and we have a team dedicated to search for this. And what are we looking for? I think here, we will search for companies that can contribute either geographical expansion in areas and countries where we are not strong in. It could be like France. It could be Holland. It could be Spain. It could be U.S., where we can take more geographical expansion. Or it can be vertical integrations in areas where we are not strong like in heat transfer or in RFID or in packaging. So we're not sure that we will succeed, but we now definitely take this seriously and put much more effort into that. I presented this earlier. There are some new slides. I will just add them quite quick here. What Nilörn:CONNECT is about. Nilörn:CONNECT is the QR code, like you can see on a jacket here, where we have a system -- it is a system behind. That is the Nilörn:CONNECT. And it's a QR code and it's an NFC or RFID. And why Nilörn:CONNECT? We see three reasons why people want to go into buying Nilörn:CONNECT. One is the legal compliance. The legislation, Digital Product Passport, that is here to come. They will come, I would also present that, soon here. So this will be a must for our clients. So this is a headache that we, through our Nilörn:CONNECT, can be part of solving their problems. Then there are more nice to have for them. We can be part of the trend. Now we see repair, resell, recycle, where you have this QR code and the information carrier. And consumer engagement. They, through the QR code, can have consumer engagement and communicate with the end consumers. And that will drive sales, create loyalty and acquire new customers. Just the timeline regarding the DPP. It has been going on for some years with a lot of discussions, a lot of preparation. Some clients are in this already, not in the DPP but into the Nilörn:CONNECT, and have this providing information to the end consumers about their garment and their sustainability. And in 2026, [indiscernible] expected for the first product groups, and the first is apparel and accessories. And in 2027, batteries we go full live with DPP. And the mid of '27, we expect that the DPP will be a fulfillment for textiles. And through this QR code, when you scan it, you can have carbon footprint, you can have the different certificates they have on the garment, production history and the country where it's produced and so on, recycle instruction. All that is within the DPP fulfillment. To the brand owners, we provide them with information so they can see what countries they have been logged in. They can see how many scans they have had, what garments they are scanning. They can also see if they have a QR code outside the jacket and inside the jacket, and they see the difference how that is scanned. So we also provide information to the brand owners. And like this, they can see on the map here where it is scanned. And also what we have been working on is an AI tool, talking to the product. And when you're scanning the QR code, you get to the page where you can write and communicate with them through an AI tool and ask questions. I got this spot on my jacket here, how should I remove that and so on. And that we also do in cooperation with brand owners. So we make sure that we provide the information that they want. We can go out widely in the Internet or we can just provide their database and provide information that they have in their database. And this you have seen in the past, the financial target and so on for Nilörn. We have, yes, achieved 7% growth with an operating margin above 10%. Yes. Good. I will stop sharing this, and coming back to you and see here -- and Maria is also with me, I forgot to mention at the beginning, Maria, the CFO for Nilörn. And Maria, do we have any questions for us? Maria Fogelstrom: Yes. Actually we have only received one question. And that is the question about the sales split between outdoor and luxury, the percentage for each segment. Krister Magnusson: Yes. Outdoor is still the biggest, absolutely biggest. Luxury segment, we started off with a few years ago, and we see that the luxury segment is coming and we think we can do much more there. And the split here, I don't have the exact numbers, but I would guess that the Outdoor is between 25%, 30% and luxury is between 5% to 10%. But what's interesting with luxury is that we can do much more. Luxury, in the country, it's France. It's in Italy. Outdoor is mainly in -- and Outdoor, I would say outdoor sports, it's mainly in Scandinavian countries, in Germany and in the U.K. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you for that. Now we received some more, so I will continue here. We also got a question about the EBIT. Could you elaborate on how much of the EBIT that comes from operating leverage and how much that is due to recent efficiencies? Krister Magnusson: I think most is -- I mean, as I mentioned, the volume matters a lot. I talked also last time that we intend to do cost savings. We have a program here. We have not launched all of that yet. And cost is -- but we're also taking on cost here, moving into new countries and so on. So for me, this quarter is volume driven, I would say. Maria Fogelstrom: And continuing on the cost savings because actually we got the question about that as well. And the question is, you previously commented on reducing your cost base in Turkey and doing a similar analysis on other parts of the group. Do you have any updates on that front? Krister Magnusson: Absolutely. We have done that in Turkey. So that is being implemented and fully -- and we are now working on other countries. This is partly, but also that we are moving now volumes from a country like Hong Kong, China into Vietnam and Sri Lanka. So that's moving our cost and, at the same time, doing cost savings. And so that is mainly in the Asian area but partially also in Europe. But at the same time, we're also taking on more and more employees in new assets. They are expensive and so on. But my goal is that we can be more clear on that once we have done the restructuring that we are in the middle of. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you. And now we got a question about the outlook for 2026. Has anything happened during the quarter that changes your view of the market outlook for 2026, specifically regarding different product groups? Krister Magnusson: I cannot say. I think there's nothing new regarding the product group. I hope and think that luxury segment will be back in swing again but I think it will take until mid-2026. For other product group, I don't see any major change, not as it is at the moment, at least. We had, as you know, the Outdoor obviously peaking during the pandemic and then really bounced back. But that is back to normal now. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you. And the last question that we have received is, are there any ongoing discussions to include segment reporting in the quarterly reports? Krister Magnusson: Segment. Maybe qualify what -- because we do segment reporting in the interim report with country-wise. But I assume here, it's more on product group levels, isn't it, I assume they want to know. Maria Fogelstrom: Yes. I would say. Krister Magnusson: Yes. And absolutely, that's a good point. I think that is something that we should consider maybe and see what we can do there. We have not done it in the past, but it's a good point. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you. And that was all of the questions we have received. Krister Magnusson: Super good. Thank you very much for participating today. I know it's a super hectic day with a lot of companies presenting. And thank you very much, and have a great weekend. Thank you. Maria Fogelstrom: Thank you.
Baard Erik Haugen: Good morning, and welcome to Hydro's Third Quarter 2025 Presentation and Q&A. We will begin shortly with a presentation by President and CEO, Eivind Kallevik, followed by a financial update from CFO, Trond Olaf Christophersen. And as usual, we will finish off with a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] When we get to the Q&A, I will then read your questions on your behalf to Eivind and Trond Olaf. And with that, I turn the microphone over to you, Eivind. Eivind Kallevik: Thank you, Erik, and good morning, and welcome from me as well. Safety, as always, is our key priority. It's the most important metric in our quarterly reporting. The health and well-being of our employees is fundamental to the success of the company. And we have had positive development and lowered the number of injuries and incidents for a long period of time. The downward trend continued also over the last few years has continued also this quarter. And I'm pleased to report that both the total number of recordable injuries and the number of high-risk incidents are lower compared to the last quarter. However, we're also well aware that good results and safety cannot be taken for granted. This situation can change rapidly. Maintaining these low numbers demands continuous attention and commitment from all employees across all our locations. Our strong safety culture is rooted in genuine care for our people, ensuring everyone remains healthy and safe while working for Hydro. The commitment to safety is also essential for keeping our operations stable and efficient 365 days a year. By fostering a safe work environment, we are able to achieve our strategic targets and to increase our long-term value creation. Now let's have a look at the key highlights this quarter. We will get back and dig deeper into this also later on in today's presentation. Challenging markets are affecting the results this quarter, leading to an adjusted EBITDA coming in at NOK 5.996 billion. Now despite this, I'm also happy to report a solid free cash flow generation at NOK 2.2 billion, yielding an adjusted RoaCE of 11%, which is above our target of 10% over the cycle. Measures have been taken to meet the uncertainty in the market, and many initiatives are being executed to further increase robustness. And we can already now report progress on our strategic workforce adjustment and the cost reduction initiative announced back in June. On the energy side, we are pleased to have added another long-term power contract to our sourcing portfolio. Alouette has signed an agreement in principle for continued long-term power supply. This quarter, we also received a final judgment in the Dutch court dismissing all claims against Hydro filed by Brazilian Cainquiama and 9 individuals back in 2021, based on both legal as well as factual grounds. And lastly, we can report concrete results coming from our targeted strategic approach to partnerships. We continue to advance our low carbon and circular solutions through close customer collaborations. Executing on strategic workforce and cost reductions as a response to market uncertainty, we did launch a new cost-cutting measure in addition to strategic workforce adjustment measures back in June. The workforce adjustment project aims to reduce white collar manning by 600 people in 2025 and another 150 people for 2026. In addition, we introduced the hiring freeze and limitation on travel and consultancy expenditures. The estimated gross redundancy cost is estimated to be around NOK 400 million this year and estimated cost savings are NOK 250 million. This gives us a net cost of around NOK 150 million in 2025. As we can see from the graph, annual net run rate savings included travel and consulting cost reductions are estimated to be NOK 1 billion from 2026. This gives an adjusted EBITDA improvement altogether for the improvement programs for 2030 of NOK 7.5 billion. Processes like these are always challenging, and we are doing our best to be considerate and to be transparent towards all our employees. And to ensure a professional process, we work in close collaboration with employee representatives. I do want to emphasize that this project is done in parallel with other ongoing performance and capital discipline measures. We still conduct our improvement program with undiminished strength. There is also a parallel restructuring process in Extrusions with large reductions in employees already taking place. And lastly, we have reduced our CapEx guidance announced last quarter. These initiatives aim to strengthen Hydro's ability to navigate global uncertainty. We're not pulling the brakes on our strategy, but we are ensuring that when we grow, we do it with the right structure and with the right priorities. Moving on to some good news on Alouette, where Hydro holds a 20% ownership stake. This quarter, Alouette has signed an agreement in principle to secure supply of power from 2030 to 2045. The agreement is signed with the government of Quebec as well as Hydro-Quebec. This will ensure long-term competitive prices in a market where the energy balance is tightening. As you can see from the graph, our total power consumption in the years to come requires us to constantly explore alternatives for renewable power sources in order to maintain our energy resilience. And this agreement is an important step to ensure stability for Alouette and to further strengthen Hydro's global portfolio of long-term renewable power. Now let's move to another strategic priority. It's been almost a year since we announced the phaseout of Hydro Batteries, a decision driven by persistent market challenges. And I am pleased to report that we have made progress on the phase-out process. We have recently done 2 battery portfolio transactions in line with Hydro's strategic ambitions for 2030. Earlier this month, Hydro Energy Invest entered a transaction to exchange its minority stake in Lithium de France for a minority shareholding in the listed company, Arverne Group. In addition, Hydro signed an agreement to divest its entire ownership stake in a maritime battery company, Corvus Energy, and the closing is expected to happen early November. Hydro continues to remain engaged in the energy transition, but these transactions help us concentrate on core business within energy and step up our ambitions within renewable power generation in line with the 2030 strategy. Another important event this quarter was the final judgment issued by the Rotterdam court in the case for against Norsk Hydro ASA and its Dutch subsidiaries on September 24. The court fully dismissed all claims, including claims of pollution caused by Alunorte following the heavy rainfalls in the region in February of 2018. The court's dismissal was based on both legal and factual grounds. During the proceedings, Hydro presented extensive evidence, including expert analysis as well as empirical data. On this basis, the court confirmed an established fact that there was no overflow from the bauxite residue deposits back in 2018. And consequently, no harm was caused to the environment. And this is an important confirmation supporting our position throughout the years since the lawsuit was filed. Lastly, I will round off my part of the presentation with 2 customer cases from the past quarter. A key priority in our 2030 strategy is to shape the market for greener aluminum in partnership with customers. We are pleased to see the results of our increased efforts in this area. Our strategic partnership with Mercedes-Benz has continued to accelerate over the years, aiming to decarbonize their value chain. This picture is from the last month where the new electric CLA cars produced with Hydro REDUXA 3.0 aluminum from Årdal, drove from Oslo to Årdal. Hydro can provide Mercedes-Benz low-carbon aluminum, ensuring a traceable and transparent value chain. And this is important for Mercedes to be able to deliver on their ambitious sustainability targets. Another exciting collaborative initiative this quarter and in fact, a large milestone for us is a new bridge in Trondheim called Hangarbrua. This is the first aluminum bridge built in Norway since 1995. The pedestrian bridge is made entirely from recycled aluminum sourced from the decommissioned Gyda oil platform from the Norwegian continental shelf. It is built by Leirvik in collaboration with COWI, partnered with Hydro, Aker Solutions and Stena. This project demonstrates that aluminum can be used in producing bridges of tomorrow, contributing to innovative solutions for the infrastructure sector. And it shows how end-of-life aluminum can be transformed into durable and valuable building materials. Although this project is relatively small, it's a tangible example of the significant potential for aluminum in public infrastructure development, a sector where demand is expected to grow substantially in the years ahead. So for me, these 2 partnerships illustrate the growing demand and potential for low-carbon aluminum and our success in expanding the market for circular and sustainable solutions. With that said, let me give the word to Trond Olaf for the financial update. Trond Christophersen: Thank you, Eivind, and good morning from me as well. So I'll start my part with the market side and starting with the bauxite and alumina markets. After an eventful 2024 dominated by refinery disruptions and bauxite supply challenges, the global alumina market balance has been normalizing since the start of 2025. Around 10 million tonnes of new alumina capacity is expected to come online from India, Indonesia and China this year with full impact expected in 2026. After the drop in alumina prices we saw in Q2 this year, alumina traded around USD 360 per tonne for most of Q3. With more capacity ramp-up, especially in Indonesian refineries, we saw alumina prices falling to around USD 320 per tonne at the end of the quarter. The excess supply is putting pressure on global refiners. If prices stay at the current level, we could see curtailments for high-cost refineries, especially in China. We would then expect a future tightening of the alumina market, pushing back prices to a more normalized level. According to CRU, a small surplus of around 500,000 tonnes is expected in '25, down to a 300,000 tonne surplus in '26 in the 58 million tonne world ex-China market. Consequently, the market would remain sensitive to any production disruptions. Moving to the primary aluminum market. Despite the rate increase to 50% of U.S. Section 232 tariffs on aluminum coming into effect in Q2, the LME and premiums continued to digest its consequences in Q3. Looking at the global primary aluminum balance, external estimates suggest that the market will remain roughly balanced in '25. The 3-month LME aluminum price rose during the quarter, starting at USD 2,599 per tonne and ending at USD 2,681 per tonne. The U.S. Midwest premium continued to surge in Q3, starting at USD 1,432 per tonne and ending the quarter at USD 1,631 per tonne, driven by 232 tariffs, the structural aluminum deficit and the need to attract metal into the U.S. In Europe, the quarter opened with a duty paid standard ingot premium of USD 185 per tonne, increasing to USD 258 per tonne at the end of Q3. As in previous quarters, Hydro's main concern remains the broader risk of a global economic slowdown from tariffs, which would weaken demand and challenge current price levels as a consequence. Then moving downstream. Extrusion demand stabilized at moderate levels in both Europe and North America during Q3 compared to the same quarter last year with light uptick in order intakes. In Europe, extrusion demand is estimated to have remained flat in Q3 '25 compared to the same period last year, but decreased by 20% from Q2 due to seasonality. Demand for building and construction and industrial segments has stabilized at historically low levels with some improvements in order bookings. Automotive demand has been negatively impacted by lower European light vehicle production, partly offset by increased production of electrical vehicles. For Q4 '25, CRU estimates that European demand for extruded products will increase by 1% year-over-year. Overall, extrusion demand is estimated to be flat in '25 compared to '24. In North America, extrusion demand is estimated to have increased 2% in Q3 '25 compared to the same quarter last year, but decreased 2% compared to Q2. Extrusion demand has continued to be very weak in the Commercial Transport segment, driven by lower trailer builds. Automotive demand has also been weak. Demand has been positive in the Building and Construction and Industrial segments, while the ongoing impact from the introduction of tariffs are still uncertain, order bookings have developed better for domestic producers due to lower imports so far this year. In Q4 '25, North American extrusion demand is expected to increase by 5% year-over-year. Overall, extrusion demand is estimated to decrease 1% in '25 compared to '24. Looking at our own numbers, Hydro Extrusions sales volumes increased by 1% year-over-year in Q3 '25. Similar to the previous quarter, transport volume developments were negative, but headwinds are moderating compared to previous quarters. Shipments to the U.S. transport market were down 5% in Q3 compared to minus 11% in Q2. Automotive sales in Q3 were still negative in Extrusions Europe, driven by continued moderate production at some car manufacturers. Automotive sales in North America increased 5% in Q3 from a low base than the same quarter last year, as negative overall market development was offset by increasing volume to key customers. Sales volume growth in the Industrial segment was stable in Q3, while sales in the Distribution segment increased by 8% in Q3, mainly driven by increased shipments in the U.S. After a significant increase in volumes in the HVAC&R segment previously in 2025, the trend turned negative in Q3 '25, mainly caused by tighter consumer spending and an inventory offloading at customers. For Q4, total sales volumes in Hydro Extrusions for EU and the U.S. are expected to be in line with underlying market growth expectations. Then moving to the financials. When looking at the results Q3 versus Q2, adjusted EBITDA decreased from NOK 1.8 billion -- from -- sorry, NOK 7.8 billion to NOK 6 billion. The main driver was normalization of eliminations. Realized all-in aluminum and alumina prices contributed negatively with around NOK 300 million. Upstream volumes had a net neutral impact where somewhat higher volumes in aluminum metal were offset by somewhat lower volumes in bauxite and alumina. Raw material costs contributed positively by approximately NOK 700 million, mainly driven by lower alumina costs in aluminum metal. This was partly offset by higher energy costs and a slight increase in other raw material costs. Extrusions and recycling margins and volumes had a negative impact of around NOK 300 million. 85% of the effect came from Extrusions and the remaining 15% from recycling in metal markets. The negative development in Extrusions was largely driven by lower sales, partly offset by positive impact from the metal effect through the higher Midwest premium. In Energy, lower production and lower prices impacted results for the quarter with a net negative impact of around NOK 100 million. Furthermore, fixed costs were around NOK 200 million lower compared to Q2 with positive Extrusions. Currency effects negatively impacted the results by around NOK 400 million with 70% of the effect related to aluminum metal and 30% to bauxite and alumina. This was mainly due to a stronger NOK compared to U.S. dollar. The largest negative effect this quarter was normalization of eliminations, which amounted to NOK 1.4 billion. In the second quarter, realization of previously eliminated internal profit had a positive contribution of the same size. Finally, net other elements had a net negative impact of around NOK 100 million. And this concludes the adjusted EBITDA development from NOK 7.8 billion in Q2 to NOK 6 billion in Q3. If we then move to the key financials for the quarter. Comparing year-over-year, revenue increased by around 1% to NOK 51 billion for Q3. Compared with Q2, revenue decreased by around 5%. For Q3, around NOK 200 million positive effects were adjusted out of EBITDA, mainly related to NOK 206 million unrealized derivative loss, mainly on LME-related contracts and a net foreign exchange gain on risk management instruments of NOK 66 million. The result also included NOK 116 million in rationalization charges and compensation for termination of a power contract, of which NOK 251 million is related to future periods. This results in an adjusted EBITDA of NOK 6 billion. Depreciations were around NOK 2.5 billion in Q3, resulting in adjusted EBIT of NOK 3.5 billion. Net financial income for Q3 was around negative NOK 450 million. This was largely driven by net interest and other finance expenses of around negative NOK 730 million. This was partly offset by an unrealized currency gain on around NOK 380 million, mainly reflecting a stronger NOK versus euro affecting embedded euro currency exposures in energy contracts and other euro liabilities. Furthermore, we have an income tax expense of around NOK 900 million for Q3, and the quarter was mainly impacted by high power surtax. Overall, this provides a positive net income of around NOK 2.1 billion and foreign exchange gains of approximately NOK 380 million are adjusted out together with the EBITDA adjustments mentioned earlier and partly offset by income taxes of around NOK 120 million. And this results in adjusted net income of NOK 1.9 billion in Q3. Adjusted net income is down from NOK 3.5 billion in the same quarter last year and down from NOK 3.6 billion in Q2. Consequently, adjusted EPS was NOK 1.02 per share. And let's then go to the business areas and give an overview of each of the business areas, starting with Bauxite & Alumina. Adjusted EBITDA for Bauxite & Alumina decreased from NOK 3.4 billion in Q3 '24 to NOK 1.3 billion in Q3 '25. This was mainly driven by lower alumina prices, higher fixed costs from a low level in Q3 '24 and negative currency effects caused by a weaker U.S. dollar against the NOK. This was partly offset by higher sales volumes and positive year-on-year effects from the full implementation of the fuel switch to natural gas. Compared to Q2 '25, the adjusted EBITDA decreased from NOK 1.5 billion to NOK 1.3 billion in Q3 '25, mainly driven by negative currency effects caused by a stronger BRL versus the U.S. dollar and lower sales volumes. Alumina realized prices decreased but maintained above market prices indications due to intra-group pricing mechanisms. Raw material costs were slightly higher Q3 versus Q2 and fixed costs remained stable. For Q4, we expect the production volume at nameplate capacity. And compared to Q3, we expect stable fixed costs and raw material costs are also expected to remain relatively stable. Moving then to Aluminum Metal. Adjusted EBITDA decreased from NOK 3.2 billion in Q3 '24 to NOK 2.7 billion this quarter. The main drivers year-on-year were negative currency effects caused by a stronger NOK against the U.S. dollar, partly offset by higher sales volumes and lower alumina costs. Compared to Q2 '25, adjusted EBITDA for aluminum metal decreased from NOK 2.4 billion, and this was driven by lower alumina costs, partly offset by higher energy costs, currency effects caused by stronger NOK against U.S. dollar and lower all-in metal prices, mainly caused by a sales mix pushing premiums to the lower end of the guiding. The raw material cost release was around NOK 700 million, which was lower than we guided for in the Q2 reporting. The reduction was lower than expected, mainly due to intercompany alumina pricing mechanisms, where the opposite positive effect is realized in higher B&A alumina price and result. These effects cancel each other out on the group level. Decrease in fixed cost was above guidance at around NOK 200 million caused by currency translation effects. And this brings me then over to the guiding for the next quarter. For Q4, AM has booked 72% of its primary production at USD 2,597 per tonne, and this includes the effect from our strategic hedging program. We have booked 40% [indiscernible] USD 423 per tonne, and we expect realized premiums to be in the range of USD 310 to USD 360 per tonne. On the cost side, we expect stable total raw material costs and increased fixed costs in the range of NOK 100 million to NOK 200 million, and sales volumes are expected to remain stable. Moving to Metal Markets. Adjusted EBITDA for Metal Markets decreased in Q3 from NOK 277 million in Q3 '24 to NOK 154 million due to lower results from sourcing and trading activities. And those were partly offset by increased results from recyclers. Excluding the currency and inventory valuation effects, the results for Q3 was NOK 174 million, down from NOK 375 million in Q3 '24. And compared to Q2, adjusted EBITDA for Metal Markets decreased from NOK 276 million due to lower results from recyclers and from sourcing and trading activities. Recycling results ended lower at NOK 93 million, down from NOK 136 million last quarter. The decrease was mainly due to seasonally lower volumes, partly offset by positive premium development. For Q4, we expect lower recycling results following continued margin pressure. In our Commercial segment, we also anticipate a lower contribution from sourcing and trading activities in Q4. As always, we emphasize the inherent volatility of trading and currency fluctuations. And given the realized results year-to-date, we have adjusted down the guidance for the commercial area adjusted EBITDA, excluding currency and inventory valuation effects to NOK 200 million to NOK 400 million for the full 2025. Moving to Extrusions. The adjusted EBITDA increased year-over-year from NOK 880 million to NOK 1.1 billion, driven by positive metal effects from increasing Midwest premiums, partly offset by pressure on sales margins. We saw 1% higher sales volumes as well as somewhat weakened sales margin primarily in Europe. Furthermore, lower recycling production negatively impacted the results with around NOK 100 million. And compared to Q2 '25, adjusted EBITDA for the Extrusions decreased from NOK 1.2 billion due to seasonally lower sales volumes, partly offset by positive metal effects and lower costs. Looking into Q4, we should always look towards the same quarter last year to capture the seasonal developments in Extrusions. External market estimates suggest a positive volume development year-over-year of 1% for Europe and 5% for North America. However, we foresee increasing pressure in both Extrusions margins and Recycling margins. We expect further metal effects year-over-year of NOK 50 million to NOK 150 million based on current spot Midwest premiums, reminding that metal effects are strongly dependent on the movements in the Midwest premium. And then moving to the final business area, Energy. The adjusted EBITDA for Q3 increased to NOK 828 million compared to NOK 626 million in Q3 '24. The increase was mainly driven by higher gain on price area differences, partly offset by lower production. Compared to Q2, adjusted EBITDA decreased from NOK 1.1 billion, mainly due to lower production and lower commercial results. The price area gain was NOK 330 million in Q3 at a similar level as in Q2. Looking into Q4, as always, we should be aware of the inherent price and volume uncertainty in energy. For the next quarter, production volumes and prices are expected to increase mainly due to seasonality. Furthermore, price area gains are expected to be lower following seasonal convergence between area prices. And then let's move to the final financial slide this quarter. Net debt decreased by NOK 1.9 billion since Q2. Based on the starting point of NOK 15.5 billion in net debt from Q2, we had a positive contribution in adjusted EBITDA of NOK 6 billion. During Q3, we saw a net operating capital build of NOK 1.4 billion, mainly driven by increasing inventories and receivables related to indirect CO2 compensation, partly offset by a release in net accounts receivables and accounts payables. Under other operating cash flow, we have a negative NOK 200 million impact, mainly driven by net interest payments, settlement of taxes and reversal of net income from equity accounted investments, partly offset by positive mark-to-market reversals and adjustments for noncash effective bonus accruals. On the investment side, we have net cash effective investments of NOK 2.2 billion. As a result, we had a positive free cash flow of NOK 2.2 billion in Q3. And finally, we also had negative other effects of NOK 300 million, and this was mainly driven by payments of new leases, partly offset by positive net currency effects on cash debt. As we move to the adjustments related to adjusted net debt, hedging collateral has increased by NOK 400 million since the end of Q2. And furthermore, during Q3, the net negative pension position decreased by NOK 700 million, turning into a net asset position of NOK 600 million positive. And finally, we had no changes in other liabilities during Q3. And with those effects taken into account, we end up with an adjusted net debt position at the end of Q3 of NOK 21.1 billion. And with that, I end the financial update and give the word back to Eivind. Eivind Kallevik: Thank you, Trond Olaf. Now as we conclude today's session, I'd like to summarize our continued priorities going forward. As always, health and safety remain our top priority, and we are fully committed to safeguarding the well-being of our employees. While we recognize that strong performance metrics can shift in just a moment of inattention, the ongoing positive trend in this area stands as a clear evidence of our dedication. We are navigating an increasingly volatile geopolitical situation that continues to affect our markets, but in response to these uncertainties, we are proactively refining our operational structure to target our most critical strategic priorities. This quarter, we have taken steps to execute on the phaseout of our battery operations in accordance with our strategy. We have several performance and capital discipline programs ongoing to help us better navigate global uncertainty and keep up the attention on profitability. We are seeing positive outcomes in our power sourcing portfolio highlighted by the Alouette recent long-term contract, which strengthens our energy resilience. Continuing to identify and pursue new opportunities in power sourcing remains essential to secure our future energy needs. Achieving tangible results on our 2030 strategy remains critical, and we are proud to see that we are taking steps in the low-carbon aluminum transition. Our market for recycled low-carbon products continues to advance, exemplified by the partnership with Mercedes-Benz and the infrastructure project in [ Tonya ]. We create growing markets through partnerships while we execute on our decarbonization and technology road map. And these concentrated efforts on growth and profitability ensure that Hydro continues to stay relevant. And we are committed to our decarbonization strategy, and we will continue to pursue our 2030 ambitions with unwavering determination. Thank you so much for your attention. And with that, I hand it over to you, Erik. Baard Erik Haugen: Thank you, Eivind, and thank you, Trond Olaf. We will then move into the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] And we have a few already, so let's get started. First one is from Liam. Can you please give your latest thoughts on CBAM? Do you expect implementation from early 2026 or potential delays? Eivind Kallevik: Thanks, Liam. The way we look at this today, we do expect CBAM to be implemented from 2026. What we are, I would say, excitingly awaiting is any changes or adjustments to CBAM, for instance, around the scrap loophole. That remains to be seen as we get towards the tail end of this year. Baard Erik Haugen: And then there's a second question from Liam. Is it possible or likely that you will underspend versus the NOK 13.5 billion CapEx guidance for 2025? Eivind Kallevik: We are keeping the CapEx guidance at NOK 13.5 billion. Remember that Q4 is typically the quarter with highest maintenance and sustaining capital. Now if we have any updates to that, we will certainly be sure to give it at the Investor Day that we have in late November. Baard Erik Haugen: Then there's a question from Amos. Can you discuss the state of play with the Tomago's energy contract? Is it reasonable to assume that the smelter shuts in 2029? Eivind Kallevik: So Tomago is, of course, placed in an area where renewable power is hard to get in Australia and the power situation is pretty tight, leading to high energy cost. Currently, today, energy costs is roughly 40% of operational costs for the Tomago smelter. We continue to work with the stakeholders to see if there are any opportunities to get renewable power post the end of '28, but it is a challenging situation. And we will make sure that we update the market if and when there are news in this context. Baard Erik Haugen: And another one from Amos. Is there any change to guidance for Metal Markets trading and commercial EBITDA contribution for '25? I think that one was covered already. Trond Christophersen: Yes. So as I said, we have reduced the guiding to NOK 200 million to NOK 400 million, down from NOK 300 million to NOK 500 million, as we said in the Q2 report. So that is the reduction in the guiding. Baard Erik Haugen: And then a question from Matt. Considering the recent volatility in alumina prices and the increase in refinery capacity from Indonesia with potential developments in Guinea, how is Hydro approaching the balance between LME linked and PAX-based pricing for future alumina contracts? Also, could you please provide some more color on the Alba supply agreement in Q3? Eivind Kallevik: Yes. So when it comes to pricing of alumina, PAX remains the predominant pricing parameter and that I suspect you should also expect going forward for the new contracts that we enter into. When it comes to the Alba contract, it's a contract that we are very happy to enter into. It's a long-term partner in the Gulf. Other than that, I really cannot comment on specific commercial details of any contract. Baard Erik Haugen: And then there's a question from Hans Erik. Any news regarding potential tariffs on scrap exports from Europe? Trond Christophersen: Yes. So the commission in the EU had planned for an announcement late in Q3. That has now been postponed until late Q4. So that is the latest information we have. So then again, we expect the news at the end of Q4. Baard Erik Haugen: Question from Magnus. There seems to be a miss versus guidance of NOK 300 million on raw material costs, looking at the group combined. Can you explain the drivers here? Trond Christophersen: Yes. So Magnus, on the raw material costs, I think you need to look at bauxite and alumina and aluminum metal together. And we guided on NOK 1 billion to NOK 1.2 billion. We realized NOK 700 million. But if you add roughly NOK 200 million plus from B&A to that guiding due to the internal pricing mechanism, we are closer to the NOK 1 billion. And then with some slight increases in energy costs and less reduction of carbon costs, both below NOK 100 million. But if you add all that together, you are within the guiding. So that is basically the difference. Baard Erik Haugen: Then we have a question from Bengt. Looking at actual price changes for premiums during the quarter and your expected range of USD 310 to USD 350 per tonne, the midpoint implies lower realized premiums quarter-on-quarter, whereas premiums are up quarter-on-quarter. Are there a temporary change in sales mix that explains this? Eivind Kallevik: So thanks, Bengt. And you are correct. When we've looked to the value-added products market, both in Q3 and when we look into Q4, we do expect to produce somewhat more standard ingots compared to what our normal product mix would be. And that, of course, drags the average premium somewhat down. Baard Erik Haugen: Then there's a question from Ioannis. Market expectations were for a meaningful increase in extrusion volumes in 2026 from through levels. Q1 '26 outlook suggests just 2% to 4% improvement year-on-year. Can you provide some color on end markets and whether you are seeing any uptick in Automotive and HVAC going into next year? Trond Christophersen: So I would say that the overall extrusion market is the market where we see a lot of uncertainty. It is difficult to give sort of additional flavor on the expected volumes going into next year. We use the external CRU as a reference. And as we said this quarter, we roughly followed the development for CRU, which we also expect for the coming quarter. We have been expecting a recovery in extrusion market for quite some time now. But again, as always, it's very difficult to tell when we will see the market turn. Baard Erik Haugen: Then we have a follow-up from Bengt. Follow-up on the standard ingot. Is that normal seasonality or changes in end-user demand? Eivind Kallevik: So I think you need to look at this 2 ways. One is that demand in Europe has been relatively weak, as Trond Olaf has been through. That's part of it. Second part of it is that customers -- our customers is then also drawing down their inventories quite significantly, both in the U.S. and in Europe towards the year-end. And as such, we produce somewhat more standard ingots to get our operating capital also out the door. Baard Erik Haugen: Then there's a question from Magnus. Are we done seeing significant positive eliminations? Our impression was that there was more to come as the Q2 release was smaller than the buildup in the year before. Trond Christophersen: Well, eliminations are unfortunately difficult to predict also for us internally. But if you look at the total accumulation of negative eliminations through the price increase for alumina, we accumulated roughly NOK 2 billion. And now we have released, I think, yes, around NOK 1.76 billion in total. But the remaining level we keep in the balance will fully depend on the development of the alumina price. And I think sort of the positive twist on this is that since we now are generating much better cash flows in bauxite alumina compared to the situation before the alumina price surge we saw last year, we then will have a higher eliminations in the balance if the current market prices stay. Baard Erik Haugen: Then there's a question from Amos. What is your guidance for Q4 working capital movements? Trond Christophersen: Yes. So we maintain our guiding that we gave at the Capital Markets Day last year that we will deliver the NOK 30 billion at year-end. Baard Erik Haugen: Okay. Then there seem to be no further questions, in which case we will round it off here. Thank you all for joining us here today. Please don't hesitate to reach out to Investor Relations if you have further questions. And we wish you all a great day. Thank you.
Aki Vesikallio: Welcome to Hiab's Third Quarter 2025 Results Call. My name is Aki Vesikallio. I'm from the Investor Relations. Today's results will be presented by CEO, Scott Philips; and CFO, Mikko Puolakka. And as a reminder, please pay attention to the disclaimer in the presentation as we will be making forward-looking statements. Hiab's Q3 profitability was affected by lower sales in the U.S. Our orders decreased slightly. Comparable operating profit margin decreased to 11.4% due to lower sales in the U.S., which was caused by elevated market uncertainty due to increased trade tensions. However, our services business continued to grow. Sale of MacGregor was closed on 31st of July, and the business is now separated from the company. Let's then view today's agenda. First, Scott will present the group level topics. Mikko will go through reporting segments, financials in more detail and the outlook. After Mikko, Scott will join the stage for key takeaways before the Q&A session. With that, over to you, Scott. Scott Phillips: Thank you, Aki. And greetings, everyone, from my side. I will start with a few highlights looking towards executing on our strategy of profitable growth for the future. First, I'm pleased to share with you that we announced a partnership with Forterra to further develop automated solutions for our lOad Handling Systems business. So really exciting development there. Next, we launched a new 3.5 ton truck-mounted forklift for the EU, which will enable our MOFFETT forklift -- our MOFFETT branded solutions to be the clear industry leader in this size class of delivery solutions. And I would also like to highlight that we announced the launch of the smartest cable hoist solution in the U.S. market under our GALFAB brand. So really proud of the work the teams have done on both sides of the Atlantic there. And finally, we are pleased to announce the revised long-range climate targets, aiming to be net zero by 2050. Now getting into the financials for the quarter. I'll start first with order intake. Our orders received in the quarter declined by 3% to EUR 351 million versus last year comparison period of EUR 361 million. And then as a consequence, as you see on the left-hand side of the slide, we've gone from EUR 900 million order book to roughly EUR 636 million at this time last year and now stabilizing out around EUR 557 million following this quarter. Now for the period year-to-date, our order intake is up 1 percentage point to EUR 1.1 billion versus last year. And as you think about the last 12 months order intake, we're somewhere around the EUR 1.5 billion level, which has been the case for approximately the last 2 years. Now the decrease in orders received was driven primarily by the delayed customer decision-making in the U.S. Of course, that was partially offset by Defense Logistics, and we won a nice Wind segment order that we announced previously in the quarter. Currencies had a 2 percentage point negative impact on orders received in Q3, which we had highlighted would be the case with last quarter's results call. Now looking further into the geographic distribution of the order intake. Our EMEA market was represented 56% of the orders for the quarter or EUR 195 million versus last year at EUR 155 million. So that's up 26%. Year-to-date, we're at EUR 587 million versus EUR 518 million last year. That's a change of 13% year-over-year, year-to-date. In the Americas, however, a bit different picture. In the quarter, we were EUR 132 million versus last year at EUR 185 million. So that's a 29% reduction. Therefore, year-to-date, we're down 14% versus last year at EUR 435 million versus EUR 504 million the prior year. And in APAC, we were up nicely in the quarter by 11% from EUR 24 million versus EUR 22 million last year. Year-to-date, we're at EUR 84 million versus last year's year-to-date figure of EUR 72 million or up 16%. In terms of the operating environment, we do continue to have positive momentum in our Defense Logistics and Energy segment opportunities. So that's good. We have also a big robust replacement demand that's driving the majority of our business. Of course, on the negative side, we still have the uncertainty of the trade tensions. And this, of course, has impacted the demand curve, in particular, in the Americas and in particular, drilling further in the U.S. market, which, of course, means our U.S. customers have remained quite cautious. Then moving into the sales development. Sales in the quarter were down 11%, so EUR 346 million versus last year's comparison period of EUR 388 million. And year-to-date, we're at EUR 1.16 billion, which is 6% below last year's level at this time, which is EUR 1.235 billion. And then on an organic basis or in constant currencies, we're down 8% in the quarter versus last year and 5% year-to-date. Of course, our services percent of sales grew in the quarter to 34% versus last year's comparison period at 29% year-to-date. Services represent 30% of sales versus last year's year-to-date figure of 28%. So sales have leveled out at the -- approximately the level that we would expect given our prior 11, 12 quarters' worth of order intake adjusted for the seasonality effect. But of course, the big story was the negative impact that we had in the U.S. market, which I'll cover in the next slide. So looking into the geographic distribution of the sales. EMEA represented 51% of our sales in the quarter, down slightly from last year, 5%. Year-to-date, EMEA is at EUR 573 million versus last year at this time at EUR 599 million. So that's a 4% decline. In the Americas, however, is where we had the biggest decline. Americas in the quarter was EUR 140 million versus EUR 177 million last year, a 21% drop year-to-date. We're at 9% down versus last year, EUR 508 million versus EUR 556 million. And in APAC, much like the order intake, we were up slightly EUR 29 million in sales versus last year's Q3 of EUR 24 million in sales, representing an 18% positive variance. Then year-to-date in APAC, we're down 1% or EUR 1 million, EUR 79 million versus last year at EUR 80 million. Our ECO Portfolio sales continues on a positive development. We're at EUR 140 million in the quarter of ECO portfolio sales versus last year comparison period of EUR 114 million, so that's up 23% year-to-date, EUR 437 million versus last year, year-to-date at EUR 354 million, up 23%. So as indicated earlier, our sales decline was most prominent in the Americas. EMEA sales declined slightly, of course, linked quite closely to the order intake development in the region. APAC sales increased slightly, which, of course, is also linked to the order intake development in APAC. And on the positive note, our ECO portfolio sales increased, in particular, in our circular solutions from our service business as well as our Climate Solutions and our Lifting Solutions equipment business. Then looking into the profitability. For the quarter, our comparable operating profit was EUR 40 million versus last year, EUR 52 million. That's a 24% drop on the EUR 42 million drop in sales quarter-over-quarter. That puts our year-to-date comparable operating profit at EUR 166 million versus last year's EUR 176 million, representing a 6% drop. which, of course, all occurred within the quarter. On a percentage basis, our comparable operating profit percentage was 11.4% versus 13.4% last year. And year-to-date, we're at 14.3%, which is on the same level as last year due to our good performance in the first half of this year. We were primarily impacted by the EUR 20 million negative impact from our lower sales in the U.S. as I highlighted on previous slides. Our gross profit margin also decreased slightly by 80 basis points, primarily due to the change in the revenue curve, which we weren't able to fully offset with cost out in line with sales development or the revenue development. However, our SG&A costs were lower in the quarter by approximately EUR 5 million. EUR 1 million lower in sales and marketing, EUR 4 million lower in administrative costs, so well in line with our EUR 20 million cost reduction program that we announced last year. And then as a consequence, our operative return on capital employed improved driven by the nice development of managing the working capital within the team, especially as it relates to the days sales outstanding. So really strong execution in that regard. Then as we've done each of the past few quarters, we want to highlight where we are relative to our long-term targets. So just to remind you, our long-term target was to was to be on a level of 7% CAGR over the cycle, 16% comparable operating profit and above 25% return on capital employed. Our progress as of through Q3 of this year, our rolling 10-year average is down slightly to 6%. Our long-term -- last 12 months comparable operating profit is at 13.1%. This compares to 12.7% where we were at this time last year. And our last 12 months return on capital employed is at 29.8%. So with that, I'll hand it over to Mikko. Mikko Puolakka: Good morning also from my side. Let's first have a look on the Equipment segment's performance in the third quarter. Equipment segment had a slightly positive book-to-bill in quarter 3 with EUR 239 million order intake. Gifting equipment quarter 3 orders were actually flat, while the delivery equipment orders declined. This delivery equipment orders decline came from the U.S., as mentioned already earlier by Scott, and this is very much caused by the trade tensions driven slowness in our customers' investment decisions. Equipment sales was EUR 230 million. This is a 17% decline from prior year. Lifting equipment sales was flat year-on-year. So the decline came solely from the delivery equipment and in particular, from the U.S. market. The Equipment comparable operating profit declined to EUR 20 million, which represents an 8.8% margin. This decline in margin is solely again, attributable to the delivery equipment sales decline and very much attributable to the U.S. market. You can see clearly in the bridge on the right-hand side there, what kind of impact the EUR 46 million decline in Delivery Equipment volumes had in our profitability in quarter 3. The gross profit margin was negatively impacted by lower volumes. So all in all, the Equipment as well as the whole Hiab quarter 3 profitability was impacted by the lower delivery equipment sales in the U.S. Services grew nicely in quarter 3. We continue to increase the number of connected units, and there has been also really good intake for maintenance contracts as well. The growth both in orders and sales came from recurring services like spare parts and maintenance. Services grew even in Americas as there is an installed base, which needs to be up and running every day. Services profitability was on a good level, 23.5%, especially thanks to the higher sales as well as commercial and sourcing actions. When we look at the services profitability bridge, profitability improved by EUR 5 million in quarter 3. The main drivers for better profitability were EUR 4 million higher sales as well as the previously mentioned commercial and sourcing actions, which improved the gross profit margin in services. Also, the services fixed costs were slightly lower compared to the previous year. The foreign exchange or the translation impact had roughly 3% units negative impact in Services quarter 3 orders, sales as well as profitability. Let's have a look then at the total Hiab financials, and I'll focus here more on the right-hand side, the profitability bridge. The comparable operating profit declined EUR 12 million from the comparison period. Here, the EUR 42 million decline in sales is the main factor behind the lower profitability. As described earlier in the call, lower sales impacted also our gross profit margin, as mentioned by Scott earlier, it was 0.8% units lower. It's good to remember that some of the costs above the gross profit margin like factory overheads, those are not fully scalable within a few quarters. So when we have lower revenues like we had in quarter 3 that has a slight negative impact on the gross profit margin. We got some tailwind from the lower SG&A, which were roughly EUR 5 million lower than last year and then EUR 8 million year-to-date September. The currencies, as you can see from the picture, had a minor roughly EUR 1 million negative impact on our profitability in quarter 3. On a positive note, our cash conversion, i.e., the cash flow versus comparable operating profit was 173% for third quarter. Net working capital decline was the biggest contributor to the over 100% cash conversion and the net working capital declined mainly in accounts receivables. The reported cash flow still includes July cash flow from MacGregor, but as can be seen on the chart, the contribution to the overall cash flow was relatively small. When we look at our balance sheet, McGregor has now fully been removed from Hiab's balance sheet at the end of July 2025. Hiab is now EUR 308 million net cash position, and this converts to a minus 32% gearing at the end of September. As you have noted, we have also paid an additional dividend of roughly EUR 100 million in October. This is not yet visible in this September balance sheet numbers. If the dividend payment would have taken place in September, our gearing would have been minus 21% in September. Still a very, very strong balance sheet. On the right-hand side, you can see that we have a couple of outstanding interest-bearing debts, one EUR 25 million maturing this year and another bond EUR 150 million in September '26.. About our outlook, we reiterate our outlook for 2025. Our estimation is that the comparable operating profit margin for 2025 is above 13.5%. And please note that this is the floor for our profitability. This outlook is based on the year-to-date September comparable operating profit margin of 14.3%, as well as the order book that we have in hand at the moment and then also the current situation related to ongoing trade tensions. And then I would like to hand the presentation back to Scott for the quarter 3 summary. Scott Phillips: Thank you, Mikko. All right. Summarizing the quarter, a few key takeaways. Market uncertainty has continued to negatively impact our business. And keep in mind, we're a relatively short-cycled business. So we see these impacts in a relatively short period of time. But despite the market situation, we have been able to improve on our last 12 months comparable operating profit margin, so strong execution on delivering what we've committed to deliver. However, as a consequence in the uncertainty level that continues to be the case, we will start planning for a program which would target approximately EUR 20 million lower cost level in 2026, compared to current levels to give ourselves a bit more resilience and flexibility in dealing with the ongoing levels of uncertainty. However, we continue to execute on our strategy and focus on activating growth opportunities where they exist. And I would reiterate that we have an incredibly strong balance sheet, generating strong cash flow and that continues year-to-date, and that will continue to be our primary focus, moving forward. So I think we're well-positioned to deal with the levels of uncertainties that we face in the future and I feel really positive about our ability to deal with the changes in the demand curve, whether they would be up or down. So with that, I'll hand back over to Aki. Aki Vesikallio: Thank you, Scott, and thank you, Mikko. Now we are ready for the Q&A. Operator? Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Panu Laitinmaki from Danske Bank. Panu Laitinmaki: I would have 3. Firstly, starting on the margins. I was a bit surprised to see such a big change in Q3 given that sales has been declining for 2 years already. So basically, the question is that what caused this? Is this mainly under absorption of fixed costs? Or is there an element that the lost U.S. sales had like really good gross margin compared to the rest of the business? Scott Phillips: Do you want to take it? Mikko Puolakka: I can take that. Yes. As we mentioned, basically, this profitability decline is fully attributable to the U.S. market and -- this is stemming actually from the fact that we started to see already in the beginning of the year, basically from February onwards, weaker order intake caused by these trade tensions. And as we have a fairly short lead time from the order to the delivery, we started to see that sales weakness already now in quarter 3. And this is stemming very much from the delivery equipment, truck-mounted forklifts, tail lifts in the U.S. market. This is the reason for the lower margins. As you can see, yes, our SG&A costs went down, but those are not enough to volume impact, which is then in addition to the U.S. market decline then also connected with the low seasonal volumes. Scott Phillips: Yes. Just to add a bit more color there. I think just to reiterate for you, Panu, it was a combination, as you pointed out, of sales decline which primarily happen in the U.S., but also it was more impactful than we would have anticipated from a mix perspective. So both of the 2 businesses that were primarily impacted there, normally have margins that are quite accretive to the overall higher margins. Panu Laitinmaki: Okay. Then secondly, on Q4, so what are you seeing in the -- during the rest of this year in terms of orders, like -- are the trends similar? Or should we expect sequential worsening? And also maybe if you can comment on the margins. So should we expect that the seasonality Q3 was maybe the lowest point of the year and how should we think about Q4 as in the comparison period, you had this restructuring costs last year? Scott Phillips: Yes. As you point out, we certainly tend to have a seasonality impact in Q3, which we've called out previously, anywhere in the 10% to 15% range, which we did see that materialize overall primarily due to the lower working days, both in Europe as well as in the U.S. So similarly, we would expect to see Q4 top line to be -- from a sales perspective, more in line with our trailing last month order intake and similarly follow the pattern of seasonality, whether it's negative or positive. So we expect Q4 to be quite in line with what you typically see in Q4. Panu Laitinmaki: Okay. And then thirdly, could you talk about Europe? So we saw pretty good orders in there. What is driving this? You mentioned defense and the wind order, but is this like an overall market recovery or some single orders? And do you have any kind of improvement in the Construction segment yet? Scott Phillips: Sure. I'd say 4 points that I'd highlight here. One, as we alluded to in the presentation material, primarily the demand is replacement cycle driven, which should follow along the lines of pattern that we would expect to see given the life cycle of our products. Two, we certainly are seeing an uptick in activity on the quote side on the lead generation side. We have seen a mixed picture in terms of lead conversion throughout the period, which has been interesting. Then the third point I'd highlight, as I alluded to earlier in the discussion, the Defense Logistics was a positive within the quarter. But then if you add the Defense Logistics from Q2, Q3, we were roughly flattish with an increasing pipeline of opportunity. And then the last point, we have seen a number of lumpy large key account deals. And in this case, in our Wind Energy segment that converted. So that was primarily the drivers for the increased level of order intake in Europe. Operator: The next question comes from Andreas Koski from BNP Pariba Exane. Andreas Koski: So firstly, I want to try to get your thoughts about 2026. When I listen to truck manufacturers, it sounds like the truck market is not going to improve at least substantially in 2026 or 2025. And now you are planning for restructuring program aiming to lower your cost base by EUR 20 million. So should I read that as a signal that you share the truck manufacturer's view that 2026 is most likely not going to be much stronger than 2025? Scott Phillips: Yes, I can start this one. Yes. Thanks for the question, Andreas. The way we think about 2026 is twofold. One is that we will adjust our cost base on the basis of what our trailing order intake levels are. And on that basis as well as the change in the mix that we've seen now reflected in the sales result, it's obvious that we need to adjust the cost base just to make sure that we're covered relative to the changes we've seen both in terms of the trailing order intake as well as then how that's affected from a mix perspective. And then in terms of the top line development for next year, we haven't typically provided forward-looking comments on the top line development. But of course, we want to plan for a scenario that would allow us flexibility to deliver if the demand curve were to pick up. And similarly, we want to manage our cost base so that we're well covered in the event that the demand curve goes in the negative direction. Andreas Koski: Understood. And then I understand that the tariffs might have impacted the demand for your products, but did it in any meaningful way also impact your your cost levels and in combination with that, what kind of price increases did you see in this quarter? And what should we expect for the coming quarters? Scott Phillips: Yes, sure. I can start with this one and Mikko, you can pick up if I miss a point here. Yes. Thanks for the question, Andreas. So what our policy has been our practice, so year-to-date relative to the tariff responses that we're trying to implement surcharges that we transparently share with our customers. So that we could stay neutral from a cost perspective, and that still remains our view today. So I would -- I couldn't say that we got either a positive or a negative impact relative to the tariffs. And if we did, it'd be just a matter of timing. I think Mikko alluded to in his presentation, though, the impact relative to order intake and to the sales level and perhaps maybe you can reiterate the impacts there. Mikko Puolakka: Yes. In our quarter 3 order intake, we had less than EUR 10 million kind of let's say, price increase effect coming from the tariff surcharges in sales due to the lead times, one could say that the impact was almost plus/minus 0. And the main impact there, I would say, from tariffs is on the demand side. So it's -- like Scott said, we are basically moving the tariff cost to the customer prices. Andreas Koski: I might be mistaken, but if I remember correctly, when we discussed on the pre-close call, we talked about price increases of 10% to 20%, but maybe I'm mistaken there, but was that on the case? Mikko Puolakka: Depending on the product category, the surcharges have been around 10% to 20% depending on the product category. These changes all the time because there are also changes in the tariff regulations and what kind of components are included in the tariffs. We are also doing actively measures how to mitigate the tariffs changing our supply chain so that we could make this as, let's say, bearable to our customers as possible. Operator: The next question comes from Antti Kansanen from SEB. Antti Kansanen: It's Antti from SEB. I will start with the same topic on the U.S. orders and sales going forward, kind of reflecting back to the price increases and the tariff surcharges. I mean, I get to a number that on a volume basis, your orders contracted quite a lot on the third quarter compared to what they were on the first half of the year. So I just wanted to better understand that is -- will the volume impact on profitability be much more severe going into Q4 and perhaps Q1 next year as it seems that the volumes that you are getting into your factories are still on a decline. Mikko Puolakka: Yes. If I take this one, you can complement. So overall, you may remember that in quarter 2, we received a key account order Order in the Home Improvement area. Basically, if one calculates the kind of lead times from the order to the delivery, we would start basically the delivery of that order, let's say, in the beginning of quarter 4. So that would then support the top line development in the U.S. in the quarter 4. That would allow them better loading for our factories, both in Europe as well as in U.S., which are supplying that kind of product during quarter 4, and that should also then improve the U.S. profitability in quarter 4. Antti Kansanen: Okay. And then the second one was on clarification on the previous questions on the difference between the communicated surcharges, 10% to 20%, and they achieved kind of the price impact, which I calculate to be around 8% of the U.S. orders. I'm not exactly sure if I calculate it correctly, but is the delta kind of something that you have given up on pricing in order to secure volumes? Or is there something -- some other dynamic in play here? Mikko Puolakka: Now these are basically this 10% to 20%, these are the surcharges. And then, of course, our, let's say, order intake, it cannot be kind of just simply be calculated from our kind of year-on-year order intake development development. So basically, like Scott mentioned, if there is a tariff of EUR 100 that EUR 100 million is reflected in the tariff surcharge to our customer invoicing or in the order intake. Antti Kansanen: Okay. And then on the development outside of Americas, I guess, mainly in Europe where you are flagging Defense Logistics and Energy Wind orders. Is there something regarding delivery times that we should be taking into account? Are there kind of a bigger deals or, let's say, frame contracts in the Q3 orders that would have a longer delivery times? Or should we just assume that it's a normal kind of a backlog to sales rotation? Scott Phillips: Yes, I can start this here and Mikko please jump in if this isn't reflecting an accurate picture. But we reflected in Q3 Antti, relative to the wind order is a consequence of a frame agreement that will be reflected as order intake over a number of quarters. So it's not a case where the entirety of the order was reflected in one quarter, and then it will be delivered sequentially from there over a period of time, but rather the order intake will also be reflected a bit more in line with the revenue recognition. Antti Kansanen: All right. Makes sense. And then the last one for me is the EUR 20 million cost savings program to be implemented next year. Will there be a one-off cost booked on Q4? And will that be included in the adjusted EBIT that you are guiding for? Or will that be a one-off? Mikko Puolakka: In case based on the initiative planning in case there would be one-off cost. We would report those in items affecting comparability -- so separately below the comparable operating profit depends on the planning and then we would be also opening how much that kind of cost we would have in quarter 4 or in 2026. Operator: The next question comes from Tom Skogman from DNB Carnegie. Tomas Skogman: This is Tom from DNB Carnegie. Did I understand correctly does that if you book an EU item, it is kind of above EBIT adjusted, like last year? Mikko Puolakka: So if we book for this EUR 20 million cost savings program, one-off costs, those would be reported as items affecting comparability below the comparable operating profit. So not included in the comparable operating profit. Tomas Skogman: Why will it be different from last year? Mikko Puolakka: This is very much related to the, of course, weakness in the U.S. market. But the EUR 20 million program would be company-wide. Previous programs have been more related to the kind of general optimization of the business, also in line with the order book. But this EUR 20 million is of course, in the first place, very much driven by the trade tensions. Tomas Skogman: Okay. And then I wonder about -- I mean this is perhaps more kind of a general big picture discussion. So last year, Americas was 45% of sales, and you have painted a picture where the Americas is quite an immature market. You have a lot of kind of white spots in distribution in the U.S. But still, I mean, it's been almost half of your business. So -- and I just remember 10, 15 years ago, Spain was the world's largest market. And that market basically never got back to all levels. It was so overheated. So could there be like just a risk that it will take many, many years before the U.S. market is back to where it has been in the last couple of years? Or do you really feel confident that it's just normal fast breaking, fast accelerating in the U.S. market? Or are there some kind of risk elements there that suggest that it could be that it takes many years to go back to all record levels? Scott Phillips: Yes. I'll start with this one. And thanks, Tom. I take this in pieces. So you mentioned our characterization of the U.S. market. And the way that we characterize it is threefold, if you will. So on the one hand, we were quite mature in our penetration of delivery solutions as it relates to serving primarily the building construction supply market. Two, we've had -- continue to have and did have quite a strong position also in delivery solutions relative to retail and last mile. So those were fairly mature markets, a long ways to go, especially on the retail last mile given the market share position relative to the #1 competitor that we face on a daily basis. Then the way we characterize it is we're underpenetrated both in our knuckle boom loader cranes as well as our hook lift and mountable solutions, primarily in waste and recycling, perhaps somewhat in terms of Defense Logistics that the market was definitely underpenetrated relative to knuckle boom loader cranes in the Construction segment as well. the way in which we wanted to attend to this is, is that we have a lot of geographic white spots because we weren't structurally set up similar to how we are structured in a European country, let alone Europe as a continent. And that was a weakness on our part. So the way that we've been attending to it and we continue to execute on the strategy is, is that we're turning on at scale distribution channel partners to cover the geographic white spots with a focus on shoring up those areas that we both were underpenetrated because of just lack of scale of sales and service excellence to support those products, but then also the geographic lack of coverage that we had as well. So that continues to be ongoing. Now in terms of the comparison relative to Spain, I'd say there's 2 things to keep in mind. Of course, let me start with the really obvious one is that just mirror scale, it's an order of 10x magnitude difference in terms of the GDP of comparing the U.S. versus Spain. But then more importantly, probably is the fact that the growth in Spain was primarily driven by one segment that was Construction. So at one time, it was one of the world's, if not the world's largest construction applied knuckle boom crane markets. And of course, that's the segment that had most been impacted following the global financial crisis. And to your point, hasn't quite recovered or hasn't recovered at all relative to the pre-global financial crisis levels. But definitely 2 different comparison cases and thinking through Spain versus the U.S. because the basket of of segments that we serve relative to our full portfolio, completely different opportunity set, if you will, in the U.S. versus, well, any country in Europe, but especially if you think about a country like Spain. Having said that, we've got a lot of opportunity to grow in Spain as we are underpenetrated there. Tomas Skogman: So what do you think then will be kind of -- what are you looking for in the U.S. is a trigger for customers to start ordering more again. What will be the trigger I mean the interest rate is quite high on the housing and the ABI index is not that strong. For instance, or just that you have this tariff situation with the loads of parts imported from Mexico that is just kind of cooling the entire market and we get the solution to that, then this will be normal again. What are you looking for? Scott Phillips: Yes. Yes. I'll sound like a broken record here, Tom, but I think it's still a factor of I can bifurcate it into 2 parts, right? One on the one hand, you're right, we need to see the macroeconomic costs come down a bit for our U.S. customers that we've talked about a lot, especially last year and a little bit in the first half of this year. in terms of overall inflation as well as the general level of interest expense. But I think then moving to the second piece now, of course, it's a matter of getting some stability in terms of being able to plan the business in the future on what your general cost level is going to be, I think that's a key factor as well. And then I would then add one more point to this scenario is that, once you see the level of stability achieved that no doubt will happen, it's just a matter of when. Then you'll start to see a pickup, I believe, from the stimulus bill that was enacted earlier in the year that I think is characterized as the one big beautiful bill. At the same time, we know that with the aging of our equipment in the installed base, there will be a robust replacement cycle coming as well. Tomas Skogman: Okay. And then finally, on the Defense side, I mean, it's just easy to say that it's a promising market generally. But I would like to understand a bit more. I mean we have seen orders from, for instance, the U.S. army and orders from Rheinmetall or bundle -- to Rheinmetall. But -- is it so that we should kind of perhaps also expect that just kind of national defense forces in different countries will be kind of major customers? Or will it be more like kind of defense companies that will order from you or how will it be? Scott Phillips: Yes, I can start here as well. Yes. Thanks for the question again, Tom. In Defense, we have a 40-plus year history of serving not only the U.S. Department of Defense, but then also the majority, if not all, of NATO countries as well as NATO partner countries, which will continue to do moving forward. And you're right, each of the defense organizations have made commitments to increasing spend unfortunately, due to the geopolitical changes that we've seen materialize over the last 3, 4, 5 years. And we expect that to continue moving forward. The challenge that we have is being able to forecast and model that business because the majority, if not all of these opportunities are typically larger tender opportunities that have quite a lot of variability in terms of time of opportunity to decision in terms of who that deal is going to be awarded to. And it's worked on both sides of the equation for us, if you think through the last year. On the one hand, we've seen more faster-moving emergent opportunities. And then on the other hand, we've also seen delays of opportunities that we knew were there prior to this period of increased geopolitical uncertainty that have pushed to the right. So difficult to model on our side in terms of the timing, both of booking the order as well as then how that will materialize and the change in revenue recognition. Operator: There are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers. Aki Vesikallio: Yes. We will have a couple of questions from from the iPad, from the webcast audience. So first question is about the service order trends. Is there any lagging impact from that? So what is the profitability trend in the services going forward? Scott Phillips: Yes. So on the Services side, the only real lag would be the nonrecurring revenue that we have. And if you think about the mix within the quarter, we were approximately 74%, 75% recurring revenue. So that's been on a nice trend relative to the overall Service, both order intake as well as revenue. Within the nonrecurring, of course, you have installations that are a factor of the equipment lead times. And so that tends to be the piece that lags behind. But otherwise, the rest of the services order intake, will follow and link quite nicely to the revenue recognition. Aki Vesikallio: Yes. Thanks. And then we have a couple of questions. I'll try to combine them. It's both are related to the tariffs. So we went through quite a lot of the parts of the question already but there was also a question, do we see permanent impact that could be caused by the tariffs. For example, could we lose some of the U.S. customers because of these tariffs permanently? And do we have any estimates how long the situation would last? Scott Phillips: Yes. So I'll start with the easy part first, the last part of that question. Hard to tell, right, how long this will last. One thing that's certain is, is that I myself have lived in 9 countries, and I've had a long career of this type of work and serving 100 to 200 different countries and most countries have some form of tariffs. So we can count on that. There will continue to be some form of tariff. I think really, the core of the issue and the question is then how long will this level of uncertainty last? And that's hard to call at this point. So our job is to be as resilient in our overall cost as well as our ability to deliver and execute as we possibly can. So we need to be prepared that this level of uncertainty may continue indefinitely. Aki Vesikallio: And could you please then still repeat what were the mitigating measures that we do? And do we individually negotiate with U.S. to get lower tariffs? Scott Phillips: Yes. So far, no, we haven't directly negotiated with the U.S. government on the tariffs. That one, we haven't had the opportunity to, and I'm not aware that any individual company has. But what we do, however, is that the way we sell our equipment is a function of market list price, and we sell on value. So therefore, from the tariff perspective, relative to our price positioning, this is more mechanical, if you will. So the contribution of the equipment that is under subject to a tariff, then we transparently share that information with our customers. We link that then to a surcharge that is simply a mathematical calculation and we try to work on other mitigating factors on the market list price to see if we can make this more attractive for our customers or not. But to reiterate, the biggest impact at this point from the change in the trade policies has been on the demand cycle because all businesses have a need to be able to forecast the forward-looking cost in order to then be able to take risk on deploying capital in order to catalyze or to run their business or to grow their business. Mikko Puolakka: Supply also to reduce the, let's say, tariff base as an example yes. And then it's good to remember that a significant part of our U.S. sales are assembled in the U.S., but of course, the ultimate tariff depends on where the components are coming from. Aki Vesikallio: Thank you, Mikko. Thank you, Scott. And that concludes our third quarter earnings call. So we published our financial calendar for next year yesterday. So we will be back in February 2026. Thank you for watching. Mikko Puolakka: Thank you. Scott Phillips: Thank you.